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How to smoke Salvia for best results 4
#18723870 - 08/18/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spelling out the correct way of smoking Salvia, because I've seen A LOT of people doing it wrong, especially weed smokers, and then blaming the plant when they have a shitty trip. Some people will incorrectly assume that their weed or tobacco smoking habits will work well enough for Salvia. They don't. Very different plant and experience, and has quite specific requirements. I've been a Salvia smoker and grower for several years, and I hope that my initial failed trips will serve as a lesson, so you don't have to repeat the same mistakes.
Here's what I found to work for me and friends, reliably, every time:
- Use a bong, preferably an ice bong. Maybe a hookah with some ice, if you don't have a bong. No joints, pipes and other contraptions without water cooling. You'll just be wasting your herb / burning your throat.
- Use a windproof lighter, and actively scorch the hell out of your Salvia with it. Don't just briefly light it as you would a cigarette or some bud, burn it all to kingdom come with a sustained flame. Your regular cheap Bic lighter will NOT work for this, you'll just waste most of your herb. If you tried it that way before and felt something, trust me you missed out on most of the Salvia trip. You need to burn everything with extreme prejudice, and that's why you'll need a bong, to provide the proper cooling.
- Low light in the room. INCREDIBLY low light. My standard lighting is a few candles with no direct view to the flame. No computer monitors on, they are way too bright while on Salvia. Of course no lights on in the room. Lava lamps or plasma globes are ok, but to the side, not directly in front of you.
- Chill instrumental music, preferably on headphones. I don't know why, but over many trips I've consistently found headphones to work much better for an immersive trip. Same exact song on headphones will take you much deeper than on speakers. Also, Salvia with music will be far more interesting than Salvia in silence. Tried both many times, and this has always been the case. The music structures the visions in a unique way. Instrumental music (of any kind) works far better than music with words. In the sense that the trip will be deeper, you'll forget about you more completely if you don't hear human words all the way through.
- Be alone or be with one sitter who can SHUT UP for 20-30 minutes. However long it takes. Give them a magazine, something to do, have them listen to their own music or watch a South Park episode, but you have to be 100% sure that at no point will they interrupt you with their retarded questions, like how is it? They shouldn't interact with you, touch you, move and make noise, they should sit their arse down for however long it takes, until you're completely back and start talking to them. Of course your phone should be off, your noisy instant messenger and Facebook page should be off, interruptions should be avoided as much as possible. I've seen phone calls in the middle of a trip. Not cool.
- After toking, actively close your eyes, keep them closed, and lay back BEFORE it kicks in. If the Salvinorin kicks in (especially the first few trips) with your eyes open, you're likely to keep them open and have a weird shitty ride. I've done this enough times to see it's not a good way to do it. I've lead people into closing their eyes properly, and seen them have amazing Salvia times. Close your eyes and keep em closed. Depending on what you smoke (basic leaf, extracts of some concentration) you'll want to do this after your first, second or third toke. If you start feeling anything, finish your toke, put the bong away and get those eyes closed asap. Just lay back holding in your last toke, for best results 
- When you think the trip is over, it isn't. The graph of a Salvia trip is a sharp crazy rise, with insane visuals. I call that the Roller Coaster. Once that's done, you're pretty much in control again, and could resume normal activity. Don't. If you shut up, keep your eyes closed and DON'T hurry to start blabbering about the Roller Coaster, you'll notice that visuals and things are still happening out there. Like being awakened from a dream and then going to sleep again, you can remain there and drift away very nicely. This can last up to 20-30 minutes, and is a very relaxing, chill state to be in. Most people waste this by opening their eyes, standing up, talking and being active, with some Salvinorin still left in their system. Don't be a sucker, get all the phases of your trip, let it run for as long as it will take.
I write this here as a post to direct people to later, as I'm tired of at the strange attempts of first time Salvia smokers and the crap trip reports that follow. Lady Salvia is a fine and loving and amazing mistress if treated right, and quite scornful and dismissive if you try to cut corners. The Salvia visions got me into painting many years ago, so I hope this will help others have great times as well. Do it right and you'll be well rewarded 
 This is the art of Jacek Yerka, I find it to come closest to what Salvia travels actually look like.Enjoy
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] 1
#18723915 - 08/18/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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use a short pipe - it's better and less wasteful than a bong. use a regular lighter - it's safer and adequate to get liquid salvinorin particles into a smoke stream. smoke it quickly - what enters your blood within 90 seconds is most effective.
ice bong will extract salvinorin from the smoke stream (pure waste) hot torches will burn your flesh and not vaporize salvinorin. (pure waste) particulate liquid salvinorin is what is effective in getting your effects. vaporized salvinorin will cook your lungs (don't bother to aspire to vaporizing salvinorin)
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#18729359 - 08/19/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: use a short pipe - it's better and less wasteful than a bong. use a regular lighter - it's safer and adequate to get liquid salvinorin particles into a smoke stream. smoke it quickly - what enters your blood within 90 seconds is most effective.
ice bong will extract salvinorin from the smoke stream (pure waste) hot torches will burn your flesh and not vaporize salvinorin. (pure waste) particulate liquid salvinorin is what is effective in getting your effects. vaporized salvinorin will cook your lungs (don't bother to aspire to vaporizing salvinorin)
but do smoke quickly and deliberately
Well using a bong/ice/water cooling is entirely dependent on using the windproof lighter, and burning it in a sustained way. If you're burning it hot, you do need cooling or you'll burn your throat. So the question is, do you need the hot jet lighter?
I've mainly smoked it with bongs and jet lighters as initially instructed, and remember a few tests with other ways, none of which worked too well for me. Not sure how much of it was placebo.
Have you tried both ways, several times, to be able to compare? Have you tried smoking basic leaf, and got anything good out of it with a regular lighter? The problem with extracts is that you can waste a lot and you'll still get some effect. With basic leaf you need an efficient smoking method, or no trip will happen. I can only remember jet lighters working properly. Even if the matches/Bic lighters made something happen, it was pretty weak and far from the proper Salvia experience, with the colorful visuals and pleasant body feel. I might do some more testing (especially now that I'm out of jet ligthers) but I don't expect much to come from it. All my best trips have come after scorching that bong load into oblivion.  
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] 1
#18729402 - 08/19/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awesome tips! I used to love doing salvia. I never did it like your way with the exception of using a wind proof lighter. What extract do you recommend? I used to smoke 20x
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Labs4858] 1
#18729520 - 08/19/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Labs4858 said: Awesome tips! I used to love doing salvia. I never did it like your way with the exception of using a wind proof lighter. What extract do you recommend? I used to smoke 20x
20x should be quite enough. Even 5x and 10x work well. Remember that Salvia does have reverse tolerance. Now I smoke basic leaf and it works AOK for me. Most beginners who try leaf don't get much out of it at first, but after a few experiences, it's like your brain learns to get there faster. You don't need as much herb for a good trip.
Just do it as described, in a darkened room, headphones, close eyes, and you'll have a super ride 
Don't open eyes right after the roller coaster, doze off for a few minutes, you'll see it's a very nice and relaxing feeling, lasting much longer.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] 1
#18729561 - 08/19/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now what exactly do you mean by reverse tolerance? If I smoke basic leaf a lot will effects be more apparent each time??
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Labs4858] 1
#18729710 - 08/19/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mean that the more you smoke the less you will need over time, for the same effect. It's not my finding, it's quite well known, you can google about it. Salvia is quite unique in this respect, among the psychedelics.
I smoke basic leaf and trip quite well on it. If I were to smoke the same doses of extract I give to first timers, my head would probably explode 
Seriously, even a bit of 5x extract makes me climb the walls, and it wasn't like this when I first started.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] 1
#18733968 - 08/20/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey man very interesting thread, I always been afraid of salvia (I got some). Probably gonna try it following your tips. Thanks
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] 1
#18734919 - 08/20/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This was like a nice pat on the back from a figure of respect saying,
"You're doing it right."
Anyways, nice write up.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Caboose] 1
#18735542 - 08/21/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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my best success is smoking the desired amount very quickly the threshold is achieved in 90 seconds. or what you had inhaled and held over the last 90 seconds produces your level of effect.
so if you smoke lazily like you can with marijuana you never get a strong threshold peak. it has to be deliberate and quick smoking.
I have tried with more equipment and that usually requires more salvia, as it is lossy.
I have used a torch which is only safe with lots of equipment (like a water bong) and it is only good if you smoke quickly or get so much pulled into the tubes and chamber that you can draw that in quickly. (so wasteful actually)
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#18735689 - 08/21/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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saam234 said: Hey man very interesting thread, I always been afraid of salvia (I got some). Probably gonna try it following your tips. Thanks 
Maybe this will help with your decision (to smoke or not to smoke): After my first good Salvia trip, I still had about a gram of weed stashed somewhere in my backpack. I literally went and gave it as a gift to a pothead friend, knowing I wouldn't bother with it any more, that I had now found my thing that really works for me. It made that good of an impression on me, from the first trip that had Salvia visuals.
I don't expect anything like that for most users, especially long term weed smokers who enjoy the bud, but this is just to say that you can expect good things and fun times. Try it as it says in the OP, and I'd say your chances are very good  Quote:
redgreenvines said: my best success is smoking the desired amount very quickly the threshold is achieved in 90 seconds. or what you had inhaled and held over the last 90 seconds produces your level of effect.
so if you smoke lazily like you can with marijuana you never get a strong threshold peak. it has to be deliberate and quick smoking.
I have tried with more equipment and that usually requires more salvia, as it is lossy.
I have used a torch which is only safe with lots of equipment (like a water bong) and it is only good if you smoke quickly or get so much pulled into the tubes and chamber that you can draw that in quickly. (so wasteful actually)
Mate, if that method works for you and sends you to space well, more power to you. I for one have only had success with this latter method. Hellfire torch, burning it to kingdom come, and ample water cooling. I will agree that it's good to smoke swiftly, deliberately, inhale that smoke like a champion. No pauses, no hesitations. First puff lazily to fill the bong tube, then when it's full, stop burning and just clear it in one massive inhalation. 2-3 tokes like that should send any traveler into orbit.
Could be that I just like the Salvia toys and ritual - powerful lighter, that clear strong hissing jet sound as you scorch the herb, the bong and smoking style that has nothing to do with regular tobacco cigarettes (I don't fancy smokers), there may well be a placebo element involved, I don't know. What I can say is that at least for me, this worked very well over the years. I've heard stories of weed smoker friends trying their regular smoking style and getting mediocre results with Salvia. Maybe it was just the lazy style of smoking that was the issue, like you said. When I was on the premises however, scorching it right with a massive jet flame, people did get breakthroughs and felt the difference.
Whatever works
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] 1
#18735785 - 08/21/13 04:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The first time I tried this stuff I did what you suggested and I was gone in 2 seconds and it was nuts . I was in a horrible setting though and not ready. IDK I think smoking it out of a bong is too much. Maybe that should be just for experienced salvia smokers. I think for a beginner a pipe would be a better route, that way you don't go spiraling into another dimension. What do you think?
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OmniDimensional said: The first time I tried this stuff I did what you suggested and I was gone in 2 seconds and it was nuts . I was in a horrible setting though and not ready. IDK I think smoking it out of a bong is too much. Maybe that should be just for experienced salvia smokers. I think for a beginner a pipe would be a better route, that way you don't go spiraling into another dimension. What do you think?
Well it doesn't have to be 50x extract that you're smoking, and then it doesn't have to be a full bong bowl, especially the first time.
You're never really "ready" as a first timer, as in, the first time you go on a real life roller coaster or big waterslide, you can't be fully ready. It's a brand new state that your brain has never been in before, so it can't be adjusted to by default. It's a lot like dreams, which is a familiar state, but the super fast transition, that's completely new to the brain.
The variables that go a long way in giving you a smooth ride are controlling the light levels in the room, the noise levels, your dose and actively closing your eyes. Those can't guarantee a good trip (nothing can of course) but they can certainly give you the best chances. From what I've seen it's usually not the plant itself that gives you bad vibes, it's external things like excessive light or sound, after the plant increased your sensitivity to them. Normal light in open eyes stings like sharp needles, loud sounds cause distress and major confusion, being touched on the skin feels sudden, unexpected, yucky and strange. All of these are avoidable. Close eyes, have low light, tell sitters to leave you alone throughout until you talk to them.
The dose can be much too large for a first timer, so I would definitely not go above 20x extract for a first dose.
People can have very different sensitivities to Salvia. I've seen a few friends who get absolutely nothing, from doses that blow others away to other dimensions. Same stash, same setting, very different responses from different people. Probably better to start on the safe side the first time, if you're not some highly motivated psychonaut looking for super strong kicks. I was when I started, very bored with everyday reality, in massive need of state change. Like holy smokes what ever do we have here, I can't wait 
I've only tried longer trips with ingestable psychedelics after almost 2 years of Salvia. I would say not panicking on things like shroom trips, and not panicking during a swift Salvia teleport, those are two very different skills. The suddenness is like nothing else. Maybe like smoked DMT.
It's definitely an acquired taste and you do learn to love it, after 2-3 good trips. Then the minty smell, the specific tingling that you get as it kicks in, they all become very familiar and relaxing. Much like regular water slides and roller coasters. Once you see that they're safe, you do want to go again and again.  
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] 1
#18735995 - 08/21/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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5x 10x and 20x are not doses, there are strengths or concentrations of vendors' preparations. how much of any one of those to use at one time would be a dose.
all we can prescribe is take a pinch, and if 5x take a very small bowl or less to begin
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#18736045 - 08/21/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with having a good setting with low lights, quiet room and no distractions.
As for smoking it, ive used a aluminum foil pipe and bic lighter and it worked just fine. Never used plain leaf but for any of the 5,10,20x my crappy homemade pipe was good enough.
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#18736087 - 08/21/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: 5x 10x and 20x are not doses, there are strengths or concentrations of vendors' preparations. how much of any one of those to use at one time would be a dose.
all we can prescribe is take a pinch, and if 5x take a very small bowl or less to begin
Yeah that's why I mentioned both, the 50x extract and how much of it is in the bong bowl. Obviously one should consider this stuff and take less from a strong extract.
As for the way of smoking and the setting, I think we can divide them like this:
If the trip was too strong and felt scary, it was probably the setting. Too much light, sounds, sitters or eyes open may have been the issue. Or too big of a dose.
If there was no trip to speak of, or it was very weak, then it might have been the extract strength (dose too small), lighter, bong/pipe and smoking speed. Whether the windproof lighter and bong are necessary is still a matter of debate, there are threads and articles that swear by them, and others that say normal flame and pipe are just fine. Especially with strong extracts they certainly are.
Maybe it makes sense to list these things separately, as they pull in different directions (making the trip more intense, and on the other hand making it more manageable via a good mellow setting). What's important is that people figure out what they want (stronger or smoother trip) and then change these variables accordingly.
I also think it's important to make the distinction between the initial Roller Coaster (the super crazy part of the trip) and the more mellow afterglow, easily missed if one opens the eyes and starts moving/talking. Especially when smoking leaf, one can use just this state alone, for a sense of calm and relaxation, milder visuals, even for falling asleep or taking something very close to a 30 minute nap. The larger doses act somewhat like a mental stimulant, may induce a lot of sweating, laughter, intense amazing visuals and the experience will feel draining. Taxing. Like a few doses of mental Red Bull taken all at once. On a lower dose, it's much more mellow, like dozing off at the chillout stage, no sweating or laughing, just drifting off to peaceful slumber. Very different effects, one should know about them both as they're useful for different things.
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Use a big Lung/Parachute/Dry Gravity Bong.
Hold as long as you're able.
Repeat.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] 1
#18744455 - 08/22/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wish my experience was better. When I said I was gone in 2 seconds, I meant I was gone before I even cleared my hit. So it was probably too much for me at the time. I should try it again though, with my trusted significant other. The time I did it I wasn't with people I fully trusted and that was why it went south for me, after I started to come back to reality. They treated me like shit the whole rest of the night. VERY negative vibes coming from them. What brand of salvia would you suggest? The stuff I tried smelled like fish
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OmniDimensional said: I wish my experience was better. When I said I was gone in 2 seconds, I meant I was gone before I even cleared my hit. So it was probably too much for me at the time. I should try it again though, with my trusted significant other. The time I did it I wasn't with people I fully trusted and that was why it went south for me, after I started to come back to reality. They treated me like shit the whole rest of the night. VERY negative vibes coming from them. What brand of salvia would you suggest? The stuff I tried smelled like fish 
Doesn't have to mean it was too much, maybe in a good environment with nice music and chill people, you would have had a blast on that dose. If you smoke with your significant other, please remember to smoke one at a time, in the sense that the first one smoking should be fully back, before the other one smokes as well (if you want to smoke in the same evening). Otherwise you risk the whole laughing thing happening when the other person is tripping, and that's just way too much noise. On later trips, after you see how you both react, you can think of smoking at the same time and chilling together, but not for the first one.
I don't know about Salvia "brands" as I grow my own. I can only suggest you get some Salvia that actually came from a Salvia plant at some point  It should smell slightly like mint when you burn it. The dry leaves will have no smell at all, at least mine don't.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] 1
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Growing it yourself is probably the way to go. The stuff I tried was from a head shop. It probably had other stuff in it that made it smell like nasty pussy.
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Well I don't know what could have been in such a strangely worded package, but from the sound of your experience it does sound like Salvia with maybe too much light/open eyes. There was a teleport, alternate identity in your head. Sounds like Salvia to me.
I'd try again with the same stuff, minding the set&setting, eyes and headphones. I don't think you need sitters, I never had any nor felt the need for them. Just put the candles out of range, put the bong away before the stuff completely hits you.
Oh and did the smoke itself smell and taste minty? Before burning you don't really get that specific mint smell.
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Wow incredibly informative post. I've been feeling like trying Salvia because my friend has it often and has had very profound experiences on it and has recommended it to me. But my life has been really hectic the past month and did not feel like I was in a good mindset the time he actually had it in my face ready to give a good rip. Anyone feel like going into what sets it apart from other dissociative? I've done high doses of DXM and low doses of ketamine but my friend told me you can't really compare salvia to any other drugs without informing the user. Very interested in it, just the sheer amount of horror stories and people who just hate salvia is making me a little reluctant to try it. Again good info. Solid post friend
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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I have to get my hands on some. I have always been dieing to try it
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my friend told me you can't really compare salvia to any other drugs without informing the user
Your friend is spot on with this. I've told friend's it's not explainable in words, it's like the Matrix, you can't be told what it is, you have to see it for yourself. Then once you see it, you will also not be able to tell others what it was like 
The dissociative part is just one effect of it, remember it's also a very very visual, potent psychedelic, that kicks in in a matter of seconds. From baseline to the very peak in 5-10 seconds. No OEV's but crazy insane CEV's, together with the fact that you fully stop being you, being human, sometimes being anything you'd even recognize with that particular homo sapiens brain you've been using for a lifetime. Full on complete with memory wipe, until you get back.
Once I was coming back from a trip, and I told one of my best friends he's an asshole. He asked why? Then I realized the answer would have been something like "Because why didn't you modulate the blue-violet transwarp plasma portals in the right sequence, so the rebels could warp back in after their assault and thus escape the @#%^$@#^'s retaliation? Now they're all dead over there and their race is facing millenia of warfare, possibly complete extinction. We could have ended it all here today and the rebels would have lived!" Both the rebels and the other stuff they were fighting were quite far from human, though I think the rebels had 2 arms and legs, from what I remember.
Took some minutes to realize where I am, what planet and dimension this is, and that my friend had nothing to do with said transwarp assault portals
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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No, it smelt pretty bad. It made the bong smell really fishy. I tried it a second time out of my own bong and it made it smell like fish also. If I try salvia again, I will grow it myself first.
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Fish-flavored Salvia. Very very suspect substance indeed
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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first time i smoke it i used a bong, said to myself i was never going to try it again after my first trip, my first psychedelic and it was pretty scary i'm just curious, have any of you tried a gravity bong? i'm sure that would force every bit of smoke into you
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: liamfriar199]
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liamfriar199 said: first time i smoke it i used a bong, said to myself i was never going to try it again after my first trip, my first psychedelic and it was pretty scary
What did you smoke, what kind of extract and in what setting?
I'm starting to think (after some years of psychedelics now) that the reason I like them, and the reason I also liked Salvia from the start, is probably that I am very easily bored in this reality. The Salvia realms were so different, so much novelty per unit of time, that to me it was completely magical. Might have been a very different story if I had started with 50x or 100x extracts, like I see some youtube kids do.
I don't think the gravity bong makes that much of a difference. I mean if you really want to increase the Salvinorin that hits you, you can just get stronger extract and smoke that. From the sound of it your experience was overwhelming anyway. You should probably smoke less if you take it again, not more.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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What do you mean by extracts? Can you just smoke the salvia freshly picked or do you have to process it before being able to smoke it?
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Extracts are made by taking the Salvinorin from say, 1g of leaves and putting it on another 1g of leaves. That new gram now has the potency of 2 grams, so that would be a 2X extract. One can repeat this procedure over and over, resulting in 10X, 50X, whatever. Google around a bit if it's not clear.
You can smoke basic leaf, especially if you've been smoking Salvia for a while, due to the reverse tolerance over time. Just let dry and smoke.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
#18755037 - 08/25/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah on that subject of extracts, they are normally far below what they are advertised for. The stuff that my friend had and I almost was going to smoke that night was advertised at 150x or something very high it was like 80$ a gram I think? He said he looked it up and it was really around 50x so he was mad, but he did break through the second time he smoked it so I guess 150x is not needed But good info Spacerific I'll have to try it one day even though I am hardly board with this reality in fact it never ceases to amazing me. But I can still have a great time on psychedelics.
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Grateful Dead said: Yeah on that subject of extracts, they are normally far below what they are advertised for. The stuff that my friend had and I almost was going to smoke that night was advertised at 150x or something very high it was like 80$ a gram I think? He said he looked it up and it was really around 50x so he was mad, but he did break through the second time he smoked it so I guess 150x is not needed But good info Spacerific I'll have to try it one day even though I am hardly board with this reality in fact it never ceases to amazing me. But I can still have a great time on psychedelics.
I've never smoked anything above 20x, and Salvia showed me a world of colors that literally got me into painting. Art school and everyting.
Crazy extracts are not required for most people. My dealer at the time mentioned that I seem to respond very strongly to Salvia, so I might have some sort of bonus there, but I've seen other friends respond well also.
I've had very strong trips with 2-3 tokes of 10x extract, that is, strong enough that I was laughing pretty much uncontrollably, to an extent that the muscles around my ribs literally hurt for several days after that. Now obviously if I had done that with 50x extract, it would NOT have been a pleasant experience.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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60, in my mates bedroom whilst he was tripping aswell, i didn't know he was going to be tripping until i just took my hit, i was leaning against the wall and started getting sucked into it, from what i can remember i was in a white space, there was nothing but white, with a giant esculator running up with both my mates that where there standing on top of it talking to me, and they where saying stuff about the wall i was leaning on, when i start to come down i can remember myself drooling and kicking the wall. afterwards i asked my mates if they where talking and saying stuff about the wall, freaked me out ahha
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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I'll keep that in mind
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Grateful Dead]
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Awesome, any tips to help with salvia make the trip worth it for sure. A sitter that doesn't try to ask to many questions is always nice, feel bad for people that have annoying sitters that try to talk to them the entire trip asking if they are alright lol.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
#18757235 - 08/25/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it anything vaguely like dmt where it feels like your reality is being quickly warped and weirded out? Lol
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Space]
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I would think DMT is a bit different, salvia is all, ok im going to take your perspective turn it inside out upside down and invent knew thinks your mind couldnt imagine sober, dmt i think is more, im going to bring out all your emotions and make you appreciate life if that makes sence.Quote:
Space said: Awesome, any tips to help with salvia make the trip worth it for sure. A sitter that doesn't try to ask to many questions is always nice, feel bad for people that have annoying sitters that try to talk to them the entire trip asking if they are alright lol.
setting, mood, a place you know well is imlortant, turn your phone off, as you said, a good sitter, as long as you have all of the above sorted you can not go wrong
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: liamfriar199]
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Just tried salvia 10 minutes ago and it pissed me off.
I was in complete dark with some cuban instrumental music, but there was a tiny bit a blue light. Also my brother made his little bitch just before my trip. So I started a bad trip but salvia went over before I could really enter in a horrible experience. Now I'm just pissed.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: saam234]
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there was a tiny bit a blue light. Also my brother made his little bitch just before my trip.
Are you sure you're back? And if so, is English your first language?
Did you read that part where it says
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Seems to me like a pretty normal reaction, if you try to Sally trip with noise around you, especially your little brother being annoying.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
#18782978 - 08/31/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha french is my first language 
Also, I was alone and there was no noise at all and complete dark except this little blue light from my fan 
My bro just made his teen bitch attitude before I went upstairs.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: saam234]
#18783232 - 08/31/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn, I'd have tried it when I was younger, but all I ever see or hear about is people hurting themselves, running into traffic or toward it, and being scared as hell. I don't have shroom trips like that, so is salvia every fun or cool, or does it always have some terrifying aspect to it?
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saam234 said: haha french is my first language 
Also, I was alone and there was no noise at all and complete dark except this little blue light from my fan 
My bro just made his teen bitch attitude before I went upstairs.
Well you know what they say, if at first you don't succeed, read the guide and try again 
I had to give it 3 shots before I got anything decent out of it. First two were complete duds for me as well. That's no reason to quit, IMO Salvia is well worth it once you get going.
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refried said: Damn, I'd have tried it when I was younger, but all I ever see or hear about is people hurting themselves, running into traffic or toward it, and being scared as hell. I don't have shroom trips like that, so is salvia every fun or cool, or does it always have some terrifying aspect to it?
Also, 100th post FTW!
People running on Salvia? I don't think that's Salvia you're speaking of mate 
I'd say no, not every trip has something terrifying about it, in fact for me most trips weren't terrifying at all. On the contrary. On some of them you laugh and laugh until your ribs hurt, more than you've ever laughed on any stand up comedy show ever made. Some of that stuff is really really crazy, in the best way 
Go watch the videos of "Eric your host" and see what it's like. Try Gardening on Salvia, Writing a letter to Congress on Salvia, etc.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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One aspect I loved in my mini-trip is that I still knew that the trip's lenght is maximum 15 minutes. I don't remember the exact reason, but some people were harassing me with dumb shit and I was saying: you'll see in 15 minutes, I'm right. Do you think it's always like that? Because with retrospection I loved that powerfull change of perception and if you still remember the trip lenght while tripping you're kinda immune to bad trips.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
#18786072 - 09/01/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol those are great vids.
I'm thinking of shit like this though:
Does it matter how much you ingest? I mean, what if I just did a little bit, would that leave me more in control?
Has anybody here ever grown their own salvia? Is it difficult?
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: refried]
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Salvia trips scared the fudge out of me.
I thought the TV was talking directly at me, and it kept transforming and swirling all weird. Haha I have bout .5g of some 30x extract by ecstasy...been having it for about a year
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: refried]
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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My most intense salvia trip was with a bong, you can read it its in my sig.
As for music and all that stuff I think you should just do it in a dim room lying down in a comfortable reclinable chair. Depending on how strong you want your trip to be but nothing from this world goes with you to salvialand. If you don't do such a strong dose then usually what happens is the music gets warped into some weird sounding stuff.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: acapuchinu]
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I see you are all using bongs but since Salvia is a herb can it be used in a vaporizer? I have a glass one and it does wonders for DMT
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: excalibur127]
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Do some more googling and testing about that, and compare. I think the opinions go both ways. Some say it works some say it doesn't, that most of the Salvinorin will not get released, just remains in your herb.
Depending on your vaporizer (electric, lighter flame on that glass, etc) you'll probably want the highest temp setting it can go to. Fill it up, inhale and let us know what comes of it.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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Thanks for your insight! In the meantime I have googled a bit and found that the vaping temperature for salvia is quite high and it seems most vapes are not able to reach it. Extracted product seems to work better than regular leaf too.
I have the VaporGenie Glass. I've read it's possible to just take of the top and use it as a regular glass pipe, so as soon as I get some leaves I will give it a shot and post results here!
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: excalibur127]
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Thanks for this thread. It's made me want to try salvia again. Going to order some plain leaf I think.
I bought 20X last time (about 5 years ago) and had a few very intense/strange trips, and decided it wasn't really for me. But it turns out I was doing it wrong. I was alone the first time I tried it, and was completely unprepared for it. I was expecting it to be somewhere in between psilocybin and cannabis, so I got quite a shock when it hit me.
I was in my room and it was still daytime. So, way too much light. I was in a comfortable chair with headphones on though so I got that part right at least. The headphones didn't stay on my head very long because the music was too much when I started to get those prickly sweats, and it felt like my brain was being turned into plastic. I took most of my clothes off and spilt the bong at the same time because I was still holding it. I didn't have chance to put it on the table after the third toke hit. It was terrifying at first but I managed to get my cool back and sit down again. I could hear high pitched voices which were giggling and chanting, and there was some weird vortex in my room. Kind of looked like a 'swirl/spiral-blur' effect on photoshop or similar software. I noticed there were some cups and bottles on my table, but they had grown smiley happy elf-like faces. I think that's where the voices must have been coming from. I was too shocked to keep my eyes closed, so that was never going to happen.
I'm going to try it like you said though and hopefully will get some inspiring visions from it. Your art comments are what's making me want to give it another go.
That's the main reason I love mushrooms. Indescribably beautiful closed eye visuals with perfect form, colour, depth etc. I've just started to try and recreate some of the mushroom visuals I get. I've noticed that I get shown the same places/patterns near enough every time I take them, so the visuals are becoming more and more familiar each time I trip. I will have quite a few images ready pretty soon.
That painting you posted on page 1 is amazing. I'm going to look into that guy.
Sorry for the long post.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Psilocypher]
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You can get extract as well, it's less smoke more substance, just don't pack a full bowl. Remember there's a delay between when you smoke and when it hits you. It's probably slightly longer than for weed, but when it comes with the full on teleport, you'd better have your bong down, seat belt on, and be all set for the roller coaster hyperspace ride.

The cities, the endless landscapes, all the good things that float and swim and spiral out there in the Salvia lands, it's fucking beautiful man, like Terence McKenna said, you see in minutes more art than has ever been produced in the whole history of mankind.
Put in a few more attempts to dose it right and get the right setting, insist on having your eyes closed before it hits you fully, and it should work AOK. For me it also really helps if I lay down on the bed, on my back. The contact surface between the back of my head and the pillow, that's where things start to extend into each other, leading to unspeakable ?!#@>$!$!#$???@#$*@&#^$???
Unlike shrooms and aya, where you see visions and nice things, like in front of you, with Salvia you teleport, shapeshift and you ARE nice things.
 That's Hundertwasser. Google him as well for some interesting paintings and awesome Hobbit architecture
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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Yeah I will be more prepared next time.
Do you ever hear anything? Like voices or music or whatever. I know you said you listen to music on headphones, but have you ever tried it in silence and heard the hallucinations as well as seeing them? If so, what did they say or sound like?
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Psilocypher]
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I find a big bong with a regular lighter works perfectly fine for me 
Straight up level 5 trips with X5 extract
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Tripsurfer]
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This is an awesome post! You've successfully convinced me to try salvia my friends who've tried salvia were underwhelmed... Now I know why! They used a bic lighter with some 20x I believe. Thanks for the post.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: MitchyDee]
#18919574 - 10/02/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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These kinds of threads are hilarious to me...been seeing them for so many years.
It's quite simple, kids...
Smoke it in darkness with eyes closed Dont have any of your loud dipshit friends there Regular lighter is perfectly fine...no need for a blow torch Silence or Ambient music Hold your hit in and then surrender your ego Let the Salvinorin A take control and show you the Truth...
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: FrenchMachine]
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Well the lighter / torch debate will probably rage on for centuries. I live and will probably die on the side of the heavy duty torch believers, and in fact just days ago I picked up this here torch lighter that came all the way from China.
http://dx.com/p/105-mini-windproof-butane-jet-torch-lighter-black-yellow-186999
I was curious if they actually send this stuff over with free shipping. They do.
Haven't tested it yet, probably a good time to do so today
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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I don't think the Mazatec Shamans ever used torch lighters, so I guess that clears it up. But please can you answer my other questions about auditory hallucinations?
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Psilocypher]
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The Mayans chewed/soaked Salvia a bit like tobacco.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Psilocypher]
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Cheers!
Well Mazatec shamans don't smoke it, they just chew it as far as I know, so that doesn't really clear anything. If you smoke it, there's a way to get more bang out of your leaf, and some of us think hellfire torches are it. Do your own testing, as I said the debate's still open, different people take different sides on it.
I've done only a little tripping in silence, and for me they were more boring, literally less content per minute, less stuff was taking place before me. I've had trips when I was chanting something, I started to chant before it kicked in, and the chanting from my throat indeed shifted to very "out there" sounds, but not intelligible words at all.
If you're the experimenting type and want to "talk" to whatever's out there, IMO your best way is a keyboard. It's the only fine motor skill that I found to be unaffected. You type full speed, well at least "something" is typing with your hands, it's not quite you because it talks about you and refers to you by name, like "Psilocypher will like this when he's back" and such. Clearly not your current identity.
I've thought about this, Salvia is a new plant in our pharmacopea, it's "talked" only for a short time with us as a species, and one other thing Mazatec shamans don't have is keyboards. It cuts your voice, you can't talk during the trip, you can't write or draw because your fingers are completely retarded as far as pens are concerned, typing directly on keyboards is the only unaffected skill, the only open communication channel in real time.
So if you're looking for novel info that couldn't have come to light in any other way yet, smoke eyes open, before a computer monitor, with a messenger open with a friend on the other side. Blank notepad doesn't work nearly as well, because there's no real entity to communicate with, nobody actively listening. Back when I was doing this I had a setup where I would stand at my computer, it was a very tall table (like a bar) with no chair to sit on, so this would force me to lock into this standing position, lock eyes with the monitor and keep that channel stable. Other times when I tried it sitting on a chair, I would quickly drift, let myself fall to one side maybe, lose interest in the screen and no typing would get done.
The text logs from those explorations were quite a thing to read once back again, to see where I ended and the "visitor" took over, or when one visitor changed into another.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Hmmm, you are correct... Why you should NOT smoke Salvia
Right that's it, I'm getting a plant. I want to try it the proper way. Anyone fancy sending me a cutting or two in the post? I will pay you with good vibes Or fake money if you would prefer.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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If you're the experimenting type and want to "talk" to whatever's out there, IMO your best way is a keyboard. It's the only fine motor skill that I found to be unaffected. You type full speed, well at least "something" is typing with your hands, it's not quite you because it talks about you and refers to you by name, like "Psilocypher will like this when he's back" and such. Clearly not your current identity.
I don't want to talk to whatever's out there. I was just wondering if it is common to hear voices like I did the first time I tried it. I've only smoked it about 4 or 5 times, and it only happened the first time. But that was definitely the strongest dose, as I wasn't expecting it to do much (with it being legal), so I took 3 massive hits.
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If you're the experimenting type and want to "talk" to whatever's out there, IMO your best way is a keyboard. It's the only fine motor skill that I found to be unaffected. You type full speed, well at least "something" is typing with your hands, it's not quite you because it talks about you and refers to you by name, like "Psilocypher will like this when he's back" and such. Clearly not your current identity.
I don't want to talk to whatever's out there. I was just wondering if it is common to hear voices like I did the first time I tried it. I've only smoked it about 4 or 5 times, and it only happened the first time. But that was definitely the strongest dose, as I wasn't expecting it to do much (with it being legal), so I took 3 massive hits.
Wish I would have heard the same, but so far I've never had OVE's or auditory hallucinations from anything. The Ayahuasca adds a slight modulation to sounds, like you hum one continuous note and you hear a wawah modulating oscillating tone with several layers of overtones above it, but there's no river of ghost voices showing up or anything. Or maybe I just didn't take the right dose yet
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Psilocypher]
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I definitely heard a very powerful voice loud and clear. it was like god speaking to me.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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Just reading your guide because you had linked to it in another thread. Salvia scares me bro. Not sure what it is. To be controlled by an "entity" is too far for me. This whole others idea coming in and the people staring... how do you get over that?
I had/have an immense fear of demons and the dark. Being alone in the dark leads to anxiety and such when I let it take over. As I grow older, it fades quickly but still, it feels sometimes as if the dark is an entity of itself waiting for me to sleep.
I have gone irrational on marijuana for example. Maybe I have something else that needs to be resolved first but I know when I first started smoking, marijuana was great. I'd play xbox late at night or whatever, smoke and come home to a house of my pastor and his wife (dad and mom) and have no problems. Then suddenly, one day, it was like it changed. I'd hear fire in the house. Cries of my mom weeping of smoking. I'd go into the kitchen to investigate and hear both snoring away. Things would be falling from the ceiling and when I'd turn the light on, nothing.
It was a day and night experience just about 4 years ago now. Sophomore in HS at the time. As of recent, my weed stories began keeping me up til the early hours waiting for a demon reminiscent of MAMA waiting in the closet to leave and stop torturing me. "I killed XXXX and now I'm going to kill you".
I realize this is all entirely not on salvia but the thing is, I want to try it... eventually. Same with DMT, Aya, Ibogaine etc. Can anyone attempt to give me insight into this? Would this point to what I'm afraid of; drugs aren't for me?
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Atrium]
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Dude your post gave me more bad creepy vibes than I've ever seen on Salvia. I don't know what sort of poltergeist stuff you're going through, but if I were you I'd start investing heavily in night vision or thermal cameras and start leaving them on at night. My moderate Salvia tripping definitely didn't prepare me for exorcisms 
I can only tell you that if you smoke salvia in the dark (or low light more accurately) you won't actually BE in the dark, there are very intense CEV's if all goes right, you just see some very distant places / dimensions.
Not sure what else I could tell you that's not in the thread already. I don't know, ghosts are way out of my league
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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What dose of fresh picked and dehydrated leaves do you recommend to smoke the first time, and then,if you have ever chewed salvia, how many fresh lease would you chew?
Do you know if smoking some cannabis beforehand would help the trip at all?
Also, any else notice that a lot of salvia plants people have for sale are really small, seem unhealthy, and have crappy looking and very few leaves....?
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As much as you can get in, and use a proper torch lighter. With basic leaf (as opposed to extracts) you want to get as much in as you can. Physically it's impossible to smoke too much with basic leaf, if anything you won't be able to get enough for a good trip, as a first timer you have no reverse tolerance to help you out. Smoke until you so far, that you don't know how to use your hands any longer, or what hands are or that you have any 
Just make sure to close eyes and lay back as soon as you start to feel any changes. Just finish the toke and close eyes, lay back, enjoy the ride. If you take another toke after you feel the vibes kicking in, you're very likely to get locked in eyes-open mode, and IMO that's a shitty experience right there. If you've ever had snow fall down your back in the winter, on the skin directly, under your clothes, that's kind of the feeling that comes to mind, with eyes open. I have yet to see anybody enjoy eyes-open salvia tripping as opposed to eyes closed.
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Not my salvia plants
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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I don't entirely believe in paranormal things. I was just referencing your "entity" controlling you so to speak with salvia. You said that you wrote stuff in third person of yourself and at times it felt like multiple different characters were influencing you? That's how I feel with marijuana.
I haven't really smoked weed since sometime in the Spring and have since basically changed life entirely. At the time I was going through things and somewhat an alcoholic at 18. I haven't drank since.
Still, online, in person, through stories, I've never heard anyone having the reaction to weed that I do, and being sane when sober. One hit was almost (what I would assume) stimulant like in that I was racing thoughts speed of light, would come up with entire songs, multiple, within minutes and they would play as I wasn't even thinking, and my inner voice just became... not me. That would be the easiest way to put it. Scared easily, could not focus, sleep, have no trust for my brother, that MAMA thing...
I see this as relevant because Salvia is described in a similar manner, with many people reporting entities with malevolent smiles surrounding them.
Don't even get me started on the first time I "tripped" my first time ever smoking weed. It was a soul removal, dissociative feeling reported of K.
The more I think about it, the more maybe drugs just aren't meant for my brain
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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Not my salvia plants 
Do you grow them under lights or just in a window?
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with many people reporting entities with malevolent smiles surrounding them.
There you go with the bad vibes again man, I don't think if I should recommend Salvia to you, maybe you need to find some other way to deal with your negativity or fear.
It helped me a bunch, I don't know what else to tell you. I don't smoke weed, it's not my thing. I provided the guide with what worked for me. If you feel you should try sally, do it, if not then don't. It's like asking, should I go on this tall massive fast colorful roller coaster that goes 300 mph? How can anybody know that? Some people live for that shit, others will have a terrible time on the exact same ride.
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Only you can know that. IMO maybe overthinking isn't meant for your brain. Less thinking, more direct experiencing in the present moment, eh? 
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Do you grow them under lights or just in a window?
Next to the window. I grew some under aquarium neons as well when I was living in a dark apartment once, but if you have decent light in the window (outside of direct sun) they'll grow green and strong.
Here some salvia porn, these are my plants from various times:




I'm pretty much ignorant of most gardening issues, only plant I ever grew is Salvia. Requirements are minor, it's a fire-and-forget kinda plant I think, especially if you use a bottle planter. This one is in a regular pot, watered every now and then. Bottle planters are great also, because they have a more manly, engineering feel to them. There's a reservoir and fuel gauge and everything
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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Don't smoke it. Do it like terence.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Yup, and you gotta make sure you spit the juices out, exactly just like tobacco, and it works much longer and better
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I did. Was not impressed. Maybe this new wheatgrass juicer will be able to make something of those leaves, for me teh quid method didn't do much.
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I did. Was not impressed. Maybe this new wheatgrass juicer will be able to make something of those leaves, for me teh quid method didn't do much.
I've heard its more efficient.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Yogi1]
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^ you have put a shit ton in your mouth, and it takes 30 mins for it to kick in.
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I did. Was not impressed. Maybe this new wheatgrass juicer will be able to make something of those leaves, for me teh quid method didn't do much.
I've heard its more efficient.
If you must smoke, dry bong, torch lighter.
No shit? After writing all the long ass guide I was going to smoke it in a joint using a Bic lighter
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
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Higher the temp the more efficient. Also remember the reverse tolerance. Smoke a little every day and in no time 1 x should be flooring you.
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Mate are you trolling to the max now? A little amnesia perhaps? 
I mean you do know I've been a salvia smoker and grower for years, hence I made this guide? 1x does floor me, as happens with any long term user.
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Nope, I think you mixed up who said what, I'd scroll up and read that bit again, or I'd go to the OP to check out what this thread is about. I've been using sally for years, it was my first ever psych.
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Nope, I think you mixed up who said what, I'd scroll up and read that bit again, or I'd go to the OP to check out what this thread is about. I've been using sally for years, it was my first ever psych.
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psychedelics are mind controling tools used by the reptilians.they form an interface through which data that otherwise would be considered untrue may be implanted. they use bright colors and great tales to deceive your judgement and lure you into their trap.
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salvia is like breathing air made out of leather while being pulled to the left and getting transformed into a liquid that is struggling to move into the trap door only to realize you were a zipper all along.And then you wake up. youve forgot everything and youre fixing your zipper taking deep breaths of... thank god its air again you realise theres something wrong at this point and you dont know what it is it cant be made into words for a reason. you cant remember the trip for a reason and its all gone
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Some leaves on the plants in certain pics look massive. Chewing one up wouldnt suffice? Or smoking one? Youd have to use multiple ones?
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Well one other reason you shouldn't smoke salvia is because you start to believe its spirit is talking to you
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Shroomanism said: psychedelics are mind controling tools used by the reptilians.they form an interface through which data that otherwise would be considered untrue may be implanted. they use bright colors and great tales to deceive your judgement and lure you into their trap. 
Psychedelics and dissassociatives turn off certain pathways in the brain that auto control and auto filter certain perspectives so information can cross over.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Tripsurfer]
#19109766 - 11/09/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: Well one other reason you shouldn't smoke salvia is because you start to believe its spirit is talking to you 
That's what I'm thinking! Is it just me not being courageous enough or is it actual justified fear?
Quotes like this make me think it's the latter.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Atrium]
#19109801 - 11/09/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No man you should smoke all you want.
My point is that you should not believe all the crazy shit the mind throws up under the influence of psychedelics.
Just because you see some entity does not mean it actually exists outside the context of your psyche. It is inherent in human nature to project intentionality and search for aspects that are similar to human ones.
The spirit of plants!
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Atrium]
#19110134 - 11/09/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok I see what you mean. I read your statement more as, "it's stupid to smoke salvia".
I understand. My little story up there about my strange encounters with weed.
I'd say I've abstained enough to control it again if I decided to smoke, including sally d.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Atrium]
#19110155 - 11/09/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Yogi1]
#19110176 - 11/09/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What else do you need to avoid freaking out in the middle of a trip?
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Atrium]
#19110265 - 11/09/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jamesdnh said: What else do you need to avoid freaking out in the middle of a trip?
You relax. Trying to control and avoid Shit is what causes a bad trip in the first place.
Dmt is a great drug choice to learn how to relax through more intense parts of a trip, since you've got to learn the reflex during essentially an ego loss.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Shroomanism]
#19110442 - 11/09/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomanism said: salvia is like breathing air made out of leather while being pulled to the left and getting transformed into a liquid that is struggling to move into the trap door only to realize you were a zipper all along.And then you wake up. youve forgot everything and youre fixing your zipper taking deep breaths of... thank god its air again you realise theres something wrong at this point and you dont know what it is it cant be made into words for a reason. you cant remember the trip for a reason and its all gone
Succinctly put!
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Shroomanism said: salvia is like breathing air made out of leather while being pulled to the left and getting transformed into a liquid that is struggling to move into the trap door only to realize you were a zipper all along.And then you wake up. youve forgot everything and youre fixing your zipper taking deep breaths of... thank god its air again you realise theres something wrong at this point and you dont know what it is it cant be made into words for a reason. you cant remember the trip for a reason and its all gone
Succinctly put! 
It wasn't historically used in high extract a small hit of 1 x is perfect for meditation and yoga.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Yogi1]
#19110709 - 11/09/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomanism said: psychedelics are mind controling tools used by the reptilians.they form an interface through which data that otherwise would be considered untrue may be implanted. they use bright colors and great tales to deceive your judgement and lure you into their trap. 
Psychedelics and dissassociatives turn off certain pathways in the brain that auto control and auto filter certain perspectives so information can cross over.
Different words. still inception to me. the mushrooms and acid can reveal your true nature in high doses. you are eternal you are one with the whole which is you. its a dream do not give in to astonishement for you are reality itself manifesting and unfolding. there is no time. only in the human game. for the only moment is right now and its eternal the illusion of time and separation is the whole point of the experience.because its a break from eternity. this is what the mushroom is relentlessly trying to make me accept.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Shroomanism]
#19110778 - 11/09/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"be 100% sure that at no point will they interrupt you with their retarded questions, like how is it? "
my sitter always asks "how is it?. are you ok??" over and over again
but the funny thing is, he isnt even there, only in the hallucinations 
although sometimes he is there for real lol
salvia always gives mindfuck like that, people appear who arent there and you have long conversations with them sometimes always feels like not being alone
that shit is intense, almost like datura lol sometime I talked to 2 people who werent there, could see them clearly and talk to them ... and it was only 5x salvia, with 20x the room is no more
kinda scary, thats why I dont smoke it more often than 1-2 times a year or so... if it is that intense, compared to other psychedelics, who know what the effects could be if used often kinda deleriant...
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: lessismore]
#19110818 - 11/09/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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but luckily the trips have changed now
must almost have been a bad trip...
sitter isnt always a good thing but with 20x or above its a necessity I think, once started to fall to the ground and roll around from sitting position from it
I usually just leave my body and enter salvia space everytime now maybe because I changed setting to laying down.... then I get launched out of the room instantly much less dose is needed also, almost any dose seems to work
laying down in dimmed light is my favorite setting now... much better trips launched directly outside it seems ... no distractions in env to keep you there, tv , music off (or relax music) etc.
but I dont really feel brave enough to smoke it alone :-) happens maybe 1 time a year, else I keep a sitter now
salvia is always so strong I dont feel like smoking it again in a year wish most drugs were like that..
salvia is my favorite herb, the only herb I smoke , but tried chewing it too without luck so far
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: lessismore]
#19110979 - 11/09/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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try the full guide once man, with headphones, instrumental music, laying down, holding in the third toke, closed eyes, the whole shebang. IMO you can do that alone, you'll get the confidence in no time from your first good trips.
to chew you need fresh leaf, dried/rehdrated ones don't seem to work.
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific]
#19111005 - 11/09/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah I just downloaded some nice salvia guide in pdf has a lot of nice growing instructions and background info on salvia etc.
laying down seems to be the best setting for salvia IMO
setting often gets more important with strong doses/psychedelics, so it makes sense it would make a huge difference with salvia too
and getting a few good trips wouldnt hurt ;-) theyre usually just confusing to me, enter salvia space, people all around me asking me stuff I dont understand and often the same each time often feels like family / like I know them well and they know me, and they want something from me it seems
weird trips.... lol
it would be cool to be able to use it for identification of disease like I heard it was used originally, or just to understand the psyche better/heal it like with ordinary psychs got some pain/health issues with my body that would be nice to understand
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: lessismore]
#19111094 - 11/09/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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from what you write IMO you're not using optimal music as background for the trips.
are you using headphones? are you using instrumental music without words? are you keeping your eyes closed after the initial roller coaster?
if not, re-read the guide and do everything like described there, try it once and report back
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Yogi1]
#19111258 - 11/09/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jamesdnh said: What else do you need to avoid freaking out in the middle of a trip?
You relax. Trying to control and avoid Shit is what causes a bad trip in the first place.
Dmt is a great drug choice to learn how to relax through more intense parts of a trip, since you've got to learn the reflex during essentially an ego loss.
Ok but I meant Self-control. Not forcing thoughts and opinions of everything. I should have said that but I meant control of yourself. You basically said the same thing with more words.
Never had the chance to try DMT. It is higher on my list than salvia for sure. I could turn down salvia. I couldn't turn down DMT given the opportunity.
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