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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723124 - 08/18/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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fee said:
So I have recently lost a good friend due to heroin and have lost many more in Tue past.
Due to this I have vowed to disassociate myself with anyone that uses that god awful drug.
Well I asked my ex if she is still using and she tells me that she is fine and isn't going to turn out like my friend.

So I refuse to talk to her.

I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?




I don't really associate with anyone who is addicted to opiates. But I do have a soft spot for some, because I know what they're going through. :shrug: (Yes, i'm clean from opiates now.)


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18723129 - 08/18/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Alcohol is not more addictive than opiates.

Sorry but you are wrong.


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And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18723133 - 08/18/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
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muistrue said:
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fee said:
To bad my drug doesn't have nearly the death rate that heroin does.

Hey if it didn't kill the way it does I might not hate it so much.




The drug laws are the cause of that. It wouldn't be that way if it were legal.




Exactly. Alcohol is much more addictive than opiates. But it's legality and acceptance means someone can be an alcoholic and still have a job. But not so with heroin and other opiates..

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I used Heroin responsibly for like two years before I got addicted. And I know a bunch of my other friends used it for a long time too before it got them. But it will get anybody eventually if they use it enough times.
I guess there are a FEW people who can do it in moderation but I'd have to say that is a very small percentage.




That's unfortunate you got addicted :shrug: But making a statement that "everyone will get addicted" is stupid and naive.


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Some people think they can control their usage. I don't think anyone actually can though. The fantasy that you are in control still is part of the disease.

That being said, if you can get a steady supply and still have money, you can fuction for the most part. If you call being a junkie functioning.




I would call someone who uses opiates every day a junkie. I wouldn't call someone who uses opiates every month or so a junkie. One is addicted, the other is not. You can be a functioning junkie, but use of opiates does not automatically make someone a "junkie".




I didn't say everybody will get addicted, I actually said there are a few people who can use Heroin in moderation.  From personal experience, I just don't think it is a lot. I'm pretty sure something like only 10% of people who try Opioids become junkies but I think the number becomes much higher for people who dabble with them on a semi-regular basis.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723139 - 08/18/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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fee said:
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muistrue said:
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fee said:
To bad my drug doesn't have nearly the death rate that heroin does.

Hey if it didn't kill the way it does I might not hate it so much.




The drug laws are the cause of that. It wouldn't be that way if it were legal.





I call bullshit




Opiates would definitely be much less dangerous if they were legal.

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas...

So fee, I think you're setting a good policy. Not that it even makes much of a difference in your own life. IME when people get hooked they don't have time for friends and you might as well not know them anyway. :sad:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18723144 - 08/18/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723152 - 08/18/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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fee said:
Alcohol is not more addictive than opiates.

Sorry but you are wrong.





Really? Google Prof. David Nutt (was president of the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology and is currently vice-president of the European Brain Council, so you know, I think he knows his stuff :wink:) and his 2010 study on the harms of various drugs.
- You can read the abstract here: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673610614626

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LoveYourLife said:
Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.



Yeah that is true. Unfortunately the illegality means no quality control. It also means that if a workplace finds out someone uses opiates they will be fired, causing them to lose even more.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723154 - 08/18/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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LoveYourLife said:
Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.




It's an incredibly dangerous market.

The thing is, the actual effect of the drugs on the personality is terrible too. Seriously, it turns people into shadows.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #18723155 - 08/18/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I see your point.

And I've been in rehab(for a few days but anyway)

My point is just that you shouldn't judge people unless they choose to fuck you over or do something to someone that you don't approve of .. Use of drugs/a certain drug shouldn't be a meter for whether or not that person is a nice guy/girl :shrug:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723160 - 08/18/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The way I usually see people die is because for whatever reason the stop for a few months (mostly due to jail) and then they shoot up what they normally did before they stopped and due to having a low tolerance they OD.

Opiates being legal would not circumvent this from happening.


Why become close to someone that plays Russian roulette everyday.


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blankk said to fee:
btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723165 - 08/18/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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fee said:
The way I usually see people die is because for whatever reason the stop for a few months (mostly due to jail) and then they shoot up what they normally did before they stopped and due to having a low tolerance they OD.

Opiates being legal would not circumvent this from happening.


Why become close to someone that plays Russian roulette everyday.




Fee - don't ignore my post here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18723152#18723152

Don't make asinine statements if you cannot defend them.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18723169 - 08/18/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
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LoveYourLife said:
Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.




It's an incredibly dangerous market.

The thing is, the actual effect of the drugs on the personality is terrible too. Seriously, it turns people into shadows.




Trust me I know haha. I've been using heavily lately and I feel like a shadow of who I once was.  Sad thing too is I've been in Suboxone treatment for like a year.
That pretty much helped for about 2 months, now it just helps me get high :shrug:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: rulesq]
    #18723172 - 08/18/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

GODDAMN I am sick as fuck right now.

thats all I have to say

im a bad junkie! :kingcrankey:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723173 - 08/18/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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LoveYourLife said:
Quote:

BlindSophist said:
Quote:

LoveYourLife said:
Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.




It's an incredibly dangerous market.

The thing is, the actual effect of the drugs on the personality is terrible too. Seriously, it turns people into shadows.




Trust me I know haha. I've been using heavily lately and I feel like a shadow of who I once was.  Sad thing too is I've been in Suboxone treatment for like a year.
That pretty much helped for about 2 months, now it just helps me get high :shrug:





I had the exact opposite reaction to suboxone treatment :lol:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723174 - 08/18/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

fee said:
The way I usually see people die is because for whatever reason the stop for a few months (mostly due to jail) and then they shoot up what they normally did before they stopped and due to having a low tolerance they OD.

Opiates being legal would not circumvent this from happening.


Why become close to someone that plays Russian roulette everyday.




That definitely happens too. But I wouldn't say it accounts for the majority of overdose deaths.
I know plenty of people who have OD'd, none have been because they just got out of jail.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: RockyRaccoon]
    #18723179 - 08/18/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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RockyRaccoon said:
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LoveYourLife said:
Quote:

BlindSophist said:
Quote:

LoveYourLife said:
Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.




It's an incredibly dangerous market.

The thing is, the actual effect of the drugs on the personality is terrible too. Seriously, it turns people into shadows.




Trust me I know haha. I've been using heavily lately and I feel like a shadow of who I once was.  Sad thing too is I've been in Suboxone treatment for like a year.
That pretty much helped for about 2 months, now it just helps me get high :shrug:





I had the exact opposite reaction to suboxone treatment :lol:




Good to hear it worked for you. It would have for me too if all my friends weren't fucking addicts too.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723181 - 08/18/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I know exactly how you feel

I've watched it destroy lives for years and all I want to do is help but its like beating down a brick wall with your bare hands


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723190 - 08/18/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

All I read was that alcohol is more harmful than heroin not more addictive.


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blankk said to fee:
btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723199 - 08/18/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If I would have kept taking suboxone for as long as my doctor recommended, I would have been more addicted to that than I ever was to conventional opiates. It's a temporary solution, and the w'd's from suboxone are TERRIBLE. I wish you the best :thumbup:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723200 - 08/18/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty sure opiate w/d's are much worse, but I'm really talking out of my ass when it comes to anything I say about opiates. I stay the fuck away from them.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: RockyRaccoon]
    #18723206 - 08/18/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If I would have kept taking suboxone for as long as my doctor recommended, I would have been more addicted to that than I ever was to conventional opiates. It's a temporary solution, and the w'd's from suboxone are TERRIBLE. I wish you the best :thumbup:




I don't even take it anymore. I just use it to get more Heroin.


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