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I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin
    #18722521 - 08/18/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So I have recently lost a good friend due to heroin and have lost many more in Tue past.
Due to this I have vowed to disassociate myself with anyone that uses that god awful drug.
Well I asked my ex if she is still using and she tells me that she is fine and isn't going to turn out like my friend.

So I refuse to talk to her.

I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?


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btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18722532 - 08/18/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I keep away from my old friends that got on oxy and what not. Sad, dull people.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee] * 2
    #18722553 - 08/18/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

fee said:
I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?





a long time ago I stopped hanging around with people that use shit like that,
I kept tabs on a few friends from school, a few are dead, most have long
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18722566 - 08/18/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

A good friend of mine is an ex-heroin user he says

knew him from college

never knew he had done such drugs, was a bit shocked
but decided not to judge him for it

I have used drugs myself

he smokes weed daily too, which I don't

but still a nice person.. we share a lot of interests other than that

studies,working out,life view etc.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: lessismore]
    #18722574 - 08/18/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know a single person who uses heroin.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: lessismore]
    #18722577 - 08/18/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The problem lies in the fact that a lot of people overdose and die from heroin use.

And I have saved this girl's life from an overdose already.


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blankk said to fee:
btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: lessismore] * 2
    #18722593 - 08/18/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm.. my best friend is an ex heroin user. I distanced myself from him quite a bit until he got his life together but I refused to completely abandon him. What kind of friend would I be if i did that? :shrug:

But I do understand what you mean OP. The lies, deceit, and all the bullshit that comes with heroin isn't worth it most of the time. But I do think there are some people who are worth fighting for especially if you knew the person they were before the addiction took hold


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18722596 - 08/18/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i have a friend that uses oxy recreationally and gets them prescribed to him, he can be annoying as fuck when on them, he tries to convince me and my friends to take some


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18722598 - 08/18/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

fee said:
So I have recently lost a good friend due to heroin and have lost many more in Tue past.
Due to this I have vowed to disassociate myself with anyone that uses that god awful drug.
Well I asked my ex if she is still using and she tells me that she is fine and isn't going to turn out like my friend.

So I refuse to talk to her.

I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?



I feel ya I have never met a responsible hard drug user I am sure they exist but I have seen so many that are untrustworthy and on a self destructive path I steer clear of them.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18722608 - 08/18/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There's virtually no heroin here, I've only seen/had it twice, and that's it.

There are many subutex/suboxone users tho, and I mean folks who had planned for a long time that they'd get into replacement therapy(for abusing buprenorphine in the first place), hoping to get BP but ending up on methadone treatment instead, because it's cheaper :shrug:

I have some old&new (addict)friends here and there who I see sometimes, but I'm not too close with them.. To each their own, I guess.. That kinda life just isn't what I want, I had my share of it in the past couple of years and I'm done with that shit.

Only drug-related deaths I've experienced amongst friends, have been due to alcohol,benzos&bupre, some drinking intentionally too much GBL or mixing it with alco&benzos/buprenorphine..


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: rulesq]
    #18722624 - 08/18/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What about EX Heroin users like myself? Believe it or not, some heroin addicts do recover. :sun:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Magicman69]
    #18722642 - 08/18/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If someone was a heroin user and no longer uses I will be their friends as long as there is no use.


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blankk said to fee:
btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Magicman69]
    #18722656 - 08/18/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ex-users are totally fine in my books, my best friends folks are ex-addicts, and his dad is now working with alcoholics&addicts :yesnod:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: rulesq]
    #18722690 - 08/18/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm a heroin addict. I probably wouldn't be friends with me either honestly :shrug:
I don't steal but the drug has made me a rather boring person for the time being.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18722694 - 08/18/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As far as I know, no one remotely close to me uses heroin, except for a bunch from the :shroomeryhead:, but I don't have to deal with them in person...:argh: . . . :peace:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: vinsue]
    #18722707 - 08/18/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Vinsue you are lucky because your neck of the woods is full of that garbage.
My friend that died lived near you I believe.


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blankk said to fee:
btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: vinsue]
    #18722716 - 08/18/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

From what I've seen of junkies, they lie down all day waiting to get high again or cause problems, they can't do anything, even cook for themselves, but they feel superior because of the awesome high.  So yeah heroin turns a person into a baby waiting for a bottle.

Instead of executing bad leaders Chinese government used to (and probably still does) use it to remove powerful violent useless political figures.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: lazyfingers]
    #18722743 - 08/18/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i have tried heroin a couple times

it was ok i guess


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18722745 - 08/18/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, Woodstock NY is full of junkies, as is North Jersey. Not sure which one you're referring to. On a side note, there's a highway sign on East bound Rt.80 exit 64, and it says FEE. I've been meaning to get a pic for you...:photographer: . . . :peace:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: vinsue]
    #18722758 - 08/18/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sweet.

Yeah he lived in a small ass town just outside of Woodstock.


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blankk said to fee:
btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee] * 1
    #18722771 - 08/18/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
So I have recently lost a good friend due to heroin and have lost many more in Tue past.
Due to this I have vowed to disassociate myself with anyone that uses that god awful drug.
Well I asked my ex if she is still using and she tells me that she is fine and isn't going to turn out like my friend.

So I refuse to talk to her.

I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?




Well I guess everybody learns things at their own speed...

I didn't have to make the choice to not hang out with heroin addicts, it was just common sense to me. I'll never hang out with anyone who is a junkie, meth head, crack head or any other super addictive drugs. There is absolutely nothing good that can come out of it. I'll chat with you guys here, but IRL, I'm not hanging out with those I mentioned, ever...


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18722847 - 08/18/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

fee said:
I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?




I think it's a great substance, especially for people who have past trauma.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: s240779]
    #18722864 - 08/18/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Da2ra said:
Quote:

fee said:
I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?




I think it's a great substance, especially for people who have past trauma.




MDMA is good for people who have traumatic experiences, not fucking Heroin.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18722899 - 08/18/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Psychedelic drugs and MDMA can be used to come to realizations and shit, but not for a completely artificial numbing out via daily use.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: lessismore]
    #18722916 - 08/18/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

More than 20 of my friends have died directly or indirectly from heroin use.

I dont get close to anyone anymore if I know they use it.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: s240779]
    #18722953 - 08/18/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

the only disgusting things about heroin are:

A that most "heroin" is cut to ribbons with other chemicals and general bullshit, being little of actual diacetylmorphine. so the people who use heroin are using some dirty shit, and most don't know/ dont care.


and

B people  abuse the fuck out of it until they develop both a psychological and physical dependance to said bullshit, then become the ultimate sketchballvibekillerdelux.



i know people who do heroin.


i'm still friends with them.


but my level of trust goes instantly down when i've found out you're shooting needles of filth into your self.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #18722963 - 08/18/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
More than 20 of my friends have died directly or indirectly from heroin use.

I dont get close to anyone anymore if I know they use it.




You used to live in a very toxic environment. I'm glad you decided to get out of it.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Patlal]
    #18723005 - 08/18/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My brother was a big user.  It took over his life and he was in and out of prison all the time.  Like me, he would get the headaches.  They got so bad for him they looked at his head with an x-ray and found tumor the size of a golf ball in his skull.  They did the surgery and it worked out okay, but he was all downhill from there.  He decided to take an afternoon nap one day on the couch in his living room and never woke up.

Really sad.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723016 - 08/18/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No I don't judge people because of what kind of drugs they use. That whole my drug is better than your drug attitude sucks. I have had two friends die because of heroin though and that was really hard to deal with.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: mpd] * 1
    #18723023 - 08/18/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Not a bad policy OP, I'm an ex-junkie, been clean three and a half years now. I refuse to associate with anyone who does heroin. I never wanted to do it again after I quit, and thought I could still hang out with people I used to. Not a chance, they may not be bad people in their hearts (alot of time they are though) but they can't see past the junk. It narrows the mind the way psychedelics expand it. You end up self absorbed with no perspective on anything. A junkie can't help but lie, it's just what they do. Alot of the time they believe their own lies.

Anyone trying to actually live their life just doesn't have time and patience for that shit.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723034 - 08/18/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
So I have recently lost a good friend due to heroin and have lost many more in Tue past.
Due to this I have vowed to disassociate myself with anyone that uses that god awful drug.
Well I asked my ex if she is still using and she tells me that she is fine and isn't going to turn out like my friend.

So I refuse to talk to her.

I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?




That's stupid, fee - no offence.

People can use heroin safely - it really depends on the individual. Some people cannot control their usage, others can. You don't really hear about those who use heroin and other opiates responsibly because they do not make the news, and are not on the street corner homeless. :shrug:

Remember - none of that 'my drug is better than your drug' b.s. It all comes down to the user using it. Let's be rational here and use our heads - not let emotions guide your actions.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18723048 - 08/18/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Some people think they can control their usage. I don't think anyone actually can though. The fantasy that you are in control still is part of the disease.

That being said, if you can get a steady supply and still have money, you can fuction for the most part. If you call being a junkie functioning.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18723051 - 08/18/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
Quote:

fee said:
So I have recently lost a good friend due to heroin and have lost many more in Tue past.
Due to this I have vowed to disassociate myself with anyone that uses that god awful drug.
Well I asked my ex if she is still using and she tells me that she is fine and isn't going to turn out like my friend.

So I refuse to talk to her.

I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?




That's stupid, fee - no offence.

People can use heroin safely - it really depends on the individual. Some people cannot control their usage, others can. You don't really hear about those who use heroin and other opiates responsibly because they do not make the news, and are not on the street corner homeless. :shrug:

Remember - none of that 'my drug is better than your drug' b.s. It all comes down to the user using it. Let's be rational here and use our heads - not let emotions guide your actions.




I used Heroin responsibly for like two years before I got addicted. And I know a bunch of my other friends used it for a long time too before it got them. But it will get anybody eventually if they use it enough times.
I guess there are a FEW people who can do it in moderation but I'd have to say that is a very small percentage.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: muistrue]
    #18723053 - 08/18/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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No I don't judge people because of what kind of drugs they use. That whole my drug is better than your drug attitude sucks.



Exactly my thoughts. I had a long conversation about this with one girl who is a huge amph-head, she just kept badmouthing me for using GHB/GBL, refusing to see anything bad in her habit :whatever:

Drugs are drugs period.

Besides, it should be actions, rather than  use of any substance, from which you decide whether or not to be friends with someone :shrug:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: rulesq]
    #18723063 - 08/18/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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rulesq said:

Drugs are drugs period.





So someone who occasionally uses acid can be compared to a methhead or a junkie?

I don't think so. You need to check out a drug rehab some time and ask how many people ruined their lives with psychedelics.

Not saying psychedelics are "the answer" or that they are flawless, they are not, there are side effects. But they help alot of people, and are not addictive.

How is that not better/safer?


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: rulesq] * 1
    #18723074 - 08/18/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

To bad my drug doesn't have nearly the death rate that heroin does.

Hey if it didn't kill the way it does I might not hate it so much.


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723091 - 08/18/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
To bad my drug doesn't have nearly the death rate that heroin does.

Hey if it didn't kill the way it does I might not hate it so much.




The drug laws are the cause of that. It wouldn't be that way if it were legal.


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    #18723098 - 08/18/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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muistrue said:
Quote:

fee said:
To bad my drug doesn't have nearly the death rate that heroin does.

Hey if it didn't kill the way it does I might not hate it so much.




The drug laws are the cause of that. It wouldn't be that way if it were legal.





I call bullshit


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723109 - 08/18/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
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muistrue said:
Quote:

fee said:
To bad my drug doesn't have nearly the death rate that heroin does.

Hey if it didn't kill the way it does I might not hate it so much.




The drug laws are the cause of that. It wouldn't be that way if it were legal.





I call bullshit



I second this motion.

People don't die of alcohol poisoning?


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #18723113 - 08/18/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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muistrue said:
Quote:

fee said:
To bad my drug doesn't have nearly the death rate that heroin does.

Hey if it didn't kill the way it does I might not hate it so much.




The drug laws are the cause of that. It wouldn't be that way if it were legal.




Exactly. Alcohol is much more addictive than opiates. But it's legality and acceptance means someone can be an alcoholic and still have a job. But not so with heroin and other opiates..

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I used Heroin responsibly for like two years before I got addicted. And I know a bunch of my other friends used it for a long time too before it got them. But it will get anybody eventually if they use it enough times.
I guess there are a FEW people who can do it in moderation but I'd have to say that is a very small percentage.




That's unfortunate you got addicted :shrug: But making a statement that "everyone will get addicted" is stupid and naive.


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Some people think they can control their usage. I don't think anyone actually can though. The fantasy that you are in control still is part of the disease.

That being said, if you can get a steady supply and still have money, you can fuction for the most part. If you call being a junkie functioning.




I would call someone who uses opiates every day a junkie. I wouldn't call someone who uses opiates every month or so a junkie. One is addicted, the other is not. You can be a functioning junkie, but use of opiates does not automatically make someone a "junkie".


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723124 - 08/18/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So I have recently lost a good friend due to heroin and have lost many more in Tue past.
Due to this I have vowed to disassociate myself with anyone that uses that god awful drug.
Well I asked my ex if she is still using and she tells me that she is fine and isn't going to turn out like my friend.

So I refuse to talk to her.

I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?




I don't really associate with anyone who is addicted to opiates. But I do have a soft spot for some, because I know what they're going through. :shrug: (Yes, i'm clean from opiates now.)


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18723129 - 08/18/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Alcohol is not more addictive than opiates.

Sorry but you are wrong.


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18723133 - 08/18/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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muistrue said:
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fee said:
To bad my drug doesn't have nearly the death rate that heroin does.

Hey if it didn't kill the way it does I might not hate it so much.




The drug laws are the cause of that. It wouldn't be that way if it were legal.




Exactly. Alcohol is much more addictive than opiates. But it's legality and acceptance means someone can be an alcoholic and still have a job. But not so with heroin and other opiates..

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I used Heroin responsibly for like two years before I got addicted. And I know a bunch of my other friends used it for a long time too before it got them. But it will get anybody eventually if they use it enough times.
I guess there are a FEW people who can do it in moderation but I'd have to say that is a very small percentage.




That's unfortunate you got addicted :shrug: But making a statement that "everyone will get addicted" is stupid and naive.


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Some people think they can control their usage. I don't think anyone actually can though. The fantasy that you are in control still is part of the disease.

That being said, if you can get a steady supply and still have money, you can fuction for the most part. If you call being a junkie functioning.




I would call someone who uses opiates every day a junkie. I wouldn't call someone who uses opiates every month or so a junkie. One is addicted, the other is not. You can be a functioning junkie, but use of opiates does not automatically make someone a "junkie".




I didn't say everybody will get addicted, I actually said there are a few people who can use Heroin in moderation.  From personal experience, I just don't think it is a lot. I'm pretty sure something like only 10% of people who try Opioids become junkies but I think the number becomes much higher for people who dabble with them on a semi-regular basis.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723139 - 08/18/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
To bad my drug doesn't have nearly the death rate that heroin does.

Hey if it didn't kill the way it does I might not hate it so much.




The drug laws are the cause of that. It wouldn't be that way if it were legal.





I call bullshit




Opiates would definitely be much less dangerous if they were legal.

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas...

So fee, I think you're setting a good policy. Not that it even makes much of a difference in your own life. IME when people get hooked they don't have time for friends and you might as well not know them anyway. :sad:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18723144 - 08/18/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723152 - 08/18/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
Alcohol is not more addictive than opiates.

Sorry but you are wrong.





Really? Google Prof. David Nutt (was president of the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology and is currently vice-president of the European Brain Council, so you know, I think he knows his stuff :wink:) and his 2010 study on the harms of various drugs.
- You can read the abstract here: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673610614626

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Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.



Yeah that is true. Unfortunately the illegality means no quality control. It also means that if a workplace finds out someone uses opiates they will be fired, causing them to lose even more.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723154 - 08/18/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.




It's an incredibly dangerous market.

The thing is, the actual effect of the drugs on the personality is terrible too. Seriously, it turns people into shadows.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #18723155 - 08/18/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I see your point.

And I've been in rehab(for a few days but anyway)

My point is just that you shouldn't judge people unless they choose to fuck you over or do something to someone that you don't approve of .. Use of drugs/a certain drug shouldn't be a meter for whether or not that person is a nice guy/girl :shrug:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723160 - 08/18/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The way I usually see people die is because for whatever reason the stop for a few months (mostly due to jail) and then they shoot up what they normally did before they stopped and due to having a low tolerance they OD.

Opiates being legal would not circumvent this from happening.


Why become close to someone that plays Russian roulette everyday.


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723165 - 08/18/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
The way I usually see people die is because for whatever reason the stop for a few months (mostly due to jail) and then they shoot up what they normally did before they stopped and due to having a low tolerance they OD.

Opiates being legal would not circumvent this from happening.


Why become close to someone that plays Russian roulette everyday.




Fee - don't ignore my post here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18723152#18723152

Don't make asinine statements if you cannot defend them.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18723169 - 08/18/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
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Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.




It's an incredibly dangerous market.

The thing is, the actual effect of the drugs on the personality is terrible too. Seriously, it turns people into shadows.




Trust me I know haha. I've been using heavily lately and I feel like a shadow of who I once was.  Sad thing too is I've been in Suboxone treatment for like a year.
That pretty much helped for about 2 months, now it just helps me get high :shrug:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: rulesq]
    #18723172 - 08/18/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

GODDAMN I am sick as fuck right now.

thats all I have to say

im a bad junkie! :kingcrankey:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723173 - 08/18/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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LoveYourLife said:
Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.




It's an incredibly dangerous market.

The thing is, the actual effect of the drugs on the personality is terrible too. Seriously, it turns people into shadows.




Trust me I know haha. I've been using heavily lately and I feel like a shadow of who I once was.  Sad thing too is I've been in Suboxone treatment for like a year.
That pretty much helped for about 2 months, now it just helps me get high :shrug:





I had the exact opposite reaction to suboxone treatment :lol:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723174 - 08/18/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
The way I usually see people die is because for whatever reason the stop for a few months (mostly due to jail) and then they shoot up what they normally did before they stopped and due to having a low tolerance they OD.

Opiates being legal would not circumvent this from happening.


Why become close to someone that plays Russian roulette everyday.




That definitely happens too. But I wouldn't say it accounts for the majority of overdose deaths.
I know plenty of people who have OD'd, none have been because they just got out of jail.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: RockyRaccoon]
    #18723179 - 08/18/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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LoveYourLife said:
Quote:

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LoveYourLife said:
Indeed they would be safer if they were legal. Most people I have seen OD have done so because of the huge variance in quality of heroin or because of additives like Fetanyl.




It's an incredibly dangerous market.

The thing is, the actual effect of the drugs on the personality is terrible too. Seriously, it turns people into shadows.




Trust me I know haha. I've been using heavily lately and I feel like a shadow of who I once was.  Sad thing too is I've been in Suboxone treatment for like a year.
That pretty much helped for about 2 months, now it just helps me get high :shrug:





I had the exact opposite reaction to suboxone treatment :lol:




Good to hear it worked for you. It would have for me too if all my friends weren't fucking addicts too.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723181 - 08/18/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I know exactly how you feel

I've watched it destroy lives for years and all I want to do is help but its like beating down a brick wall with your bare hands


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723190 - 08/18/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

All I read was that alcohol is more harmful than heroin not more addictive.


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723199 - 08/18/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If I would have kept taking suboxone for as long as my doctor recommended, I would have been more addicted to that than I ever was to conventional opiates. It's a temporary solution, and the w'd's from suboxone are TERRIBLE. I wish you the best :thumbup:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723200 - 08/18/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty sure opiate w/d's are much worse, but I'm really talking out of my ass when it comes to anything I say about opiates. I stay the fuck away from them.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: RockyRaccoon]
    #18723206 - 08/18/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If I would have kept taking suboxone for as long as my doctor recommended, I would have been more addicted to that than I ever was to conventional opiates. It's a temporary solution, and the w'd's from suboxone are TERRIBLE. I wish you the best :thumbup:




I don't even take it anymore. I just use it to get more Heroin.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18723211 - 08/18/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure opiate w/d's are much worse, but I'm really talking out of my ass when it comes to anything I say about opiates. I stay the fuck away from them.




Mmm no alcohol  (delirium tremens.. look it up) and benzo withdrawals are worse, and can be fatal (Really withdrawals of most things that act on that GABA receptors are dangerous because GABA is a calming neurotransmitter). Opiate withdrawals, while really shitty, are not fatal.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18723216 - 08/18/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with that 100% but opiates are far more addictive than alcohol


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723226 - 08/18/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree with that 100% but opiates are far more addictive than alcohol



Wrong. Opiates are good. Opiates are better than alcohol. They make me :feelsgoodman: and :feelsdopeman: but then I have to watch out for narcs cause I am  :feelsparanoidman: and I don't want to be :feelslockedman: in jail because withdrawal makes me feel  :feelssadman: and :feelsweirdman:. Then I start to chase the dragon to  :feelsjohngoodman:. After years of drug abuse, I :badmanthisfeels: and :feelsoldman: and eventually  :suicide:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723231 - 08/18/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure opiate w/d's are much worse, but I'm really talking out of my ass when it comes to anything I say about opiates. I stay the fuck away from them.



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I agree with that 100% but opiates are far more addictive than alcohol




Definitely correct. I know PLENTY of people who can use alcohol responsibly.
I know hardly anybody who uses opioids responsibly.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723235 - 08/18/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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he stop for a few months (mostly due to jail)...

Opiates being legal would not circumvent this from happening.




:lolwut:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18723246 - 08/18/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What do you not understand?

Junkies go to jail usually trying to get their fix not because of heroin itself.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723253 - 08/18/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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What do you not understand?

Junkies go to jail usually trying to get their fix not because of heroin itself.




You mean like stealing car radios and stuff?


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18723259 - 08/18/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

like trying to rob banks.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18723261 - 08/18/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

fee said:
What do you not understand?

Junkies go to jail usually trying to get their fix not because of heroin itself.




You mean like stealing car radios and stuff?




Car radios ain't worth shit. Junkies steal credit cards, cash, gold, electronics etc.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18723268 - 08/18/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You mean like stealing car radios and stuff?



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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723271 - 08/18/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
What do you not understand?

Junkies go to jail usually trying to get their fix not because of heroin itself.





yup


it's not the heroin, it's what people do to keep it flowing and keep from wd's



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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Salomon]
    #18723279 - 08/18/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If junk were legal, it would probably be more affordable... just saying.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Salomon]
    #18723283 - 08/18/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So pure heroin should just be provided free of charge by the state to anyone who wants it to prevent crime. :evil:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18723288 - 08/18/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If junk were legal, it would probably be more affordable... just saying.



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So pure heroin should just be provided free of charge by the state to anyone who wants it to prevent crime. :evil:




They already do that in some European countries.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723292 - 08/18/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

And it works really well AFAIK.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18723293 - 08/18/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do you mean methadone clinics?


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Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: muistrue]
    #18723297 - 08/18/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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No I don't judge people because of what kind of drugs they use. That whole my drug is better than your drug attitude sucks. I have had two friends die because of heroin though and that was really hard to deal with.





it's not the 'my drug is better than yours' argument, it's the I dont need a
junkie on my doorstep every morning asking for cash or waiting for me to
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723300 - 08/18/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you mean methadone clinics?




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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723302 - 08/18/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
Do you mean methadone clinics?





In a lot of European countries they use Subutex rather than suboxone. Subutex is used here in the US, but very rarely. The only difference is, Subutex doesn't have the Nalaxone.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723304 - 08/18/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
If junk were legal, it would probably be more affordable... just saying.



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So pure heroin should just be provided free of charge by the state to anyone who wants it to prevent crime. :evil:




They already do that in some European countries.




Yup they do, and guess what - their rate of opiate addiction is way less.
Who would have though that :cookiemonster:

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I agree with that 100% but opiates are far more addictive than alcohol




Really? Any proof for that? Because all peer-reviewed studies that have not been retracted have not shown that. Obviously addictiveness is hard to quantify - and hence why Prof. Nutt used three criteria to access harm - addictiveness, harm to society, and harm to the users.


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    #18723305 - 08/18/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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No I don't judge people because of what kind of drugs they use. That whole my drug is better than your drug attitude sucks. I have had two friends die because of heroin though and that was really hard to deal with.





it's not the 'my drug is better than yours' argument, it's the I dont need a
junkie on my doorstep every morning asking for cash or waiting for me to
leave so he can rob my house to get his fix, I dont need to attend another
funeral over a senseless death because some fuckhead decided smack was a
better alternative to living





Couldn't have said that any better


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: RockyRaccoon]
    #18723312 - 08/18/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
Do you mean methadone clinics?





In a lot of European countries they use Subutex rather than suboxone. Subutex is used here in the US, but very rarely. The only difference is, Subutex doesn't have the Nalaxone.




I get Subutex as do about a billion other people now. It isn't uncommon now because it's way cheaper.
And Naloxone doesn't do shit. Buperenorphine is the opioid blocker, not naloxone which is just in there so people don't IV it. Which they do anyways.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: RockyRaccoon]
    #18723328 - 08/18/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So pure heroin should just be provided free of charge by the state to anyone who wants it to prevent crime. :evil:



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Quote:

fee said:
Do you mean methadone clinics?





In a lot of European countries they use Subutex rather than suboxone. Subutex is used here in the US, but very rarely. The only difference is, Subutex doesn't have the Nalaxone.



In Finland the only ones who get Subutex, are pregnant women afaik. Everyone else gets Suboxone, or rather Methadone because it's cheaper :shrug:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723329 - 08/18/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Isn't naloxone an opiate inhibitor? Kinda makes sense they'd have it in tablets along with a replacement opiate, to prevent you both from withdrawing or getting high.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18723331 - 08/18/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Isn't naloxone an opiate inhibitor? Kinda makes sense they'd have it in tablets along with a replacement opiate, to prevent you both from withdrawing or getting high.



Naloxone is only in Suboxone to prevent IV use. That's it. And it doesn't work.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #18723337 - 08/18/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying... how is it intended to prevent IV use if it's not an opiate antagonist?


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife] * 1
    #18723347 - 08/18/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Buperenorphine fills the receptors and prevents new opioids from entering the receptors. It has a much higher affinity than naloxone making the naloxone pointless.


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    #18723364 - 08/18/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes your right magic there is recovery for some of opiate users is hard though but it can and does happen:smile:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723385 - 08/18/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I definitely don't hang out with anyone who does heroin.  I will cut you off quick if I find out you're doing it. 














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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18723408 - 08/18/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i think addicts that steal lie and cheat to get their fix are only going to destroy my life.If its your best friend or your brother try and get them help,if they dont want it or cant stay clean you have to detach yourself from them for your mental health.This goes with any addicting drug


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18723422 - 08/18/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
I'm done with heroin users.

How about yourself?





a long time ago I stopped hanging around with people that use shit like that,
I kept tabs on a few friends from school, a few are dead, most have long
criminal records




are there any, like one guy, who is a network administrator, with a nice house and family? you caught up with him and he was like, oh hiii Pris, yeah still doing the H. Things are great!! we should get lunch! any turn out like that?

to answer the question, no im pretty much done hanging out with big time druggies of any kind. i dont even like being around weed when its smoked. just not my thing anymore.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Learyfan]
    #18723460 - 08/18/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I lost a few friends to oxy back in the day. Not in the sense of them dying (I don't think) but in the sense that they lost themselves, and became hollow addicts rather than human beings and friends.

It's sad really, it's so hard for me to watch people do that to themselves, I just don't run with that crowd anymore, so I haven't had to make a conscious effort, but I don't really associate with them either.


Well, I have one friend who uses, but I don't think it's out of control, at least not yet.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #18723730 - 08/18/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

One of my best friends has used heroin off and on for a few years. He estimated he used it 30ish times in 3 years and claims he isn'taddicted. It sucks that he happens to be a best friend,i know cutting him off will only make using more appealing, but also i can't stand the thought that anytime he doesn't respond to his phone within twenty-four hours it's likely he's dead, or in a hospital, or arrested. Op cut them off. It's only gonna bring you down. I only have him as an exception to not hanging out with addicts, and it really sucks to see someone killing themself. And plain and simple legal or not it is illegal, using it is dangerous, and no one wants to have to drag someone's seizing, convulsing ass to the ER.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #18724149 - 08/18/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Whole lot of irrational, psychedelic holier-than-thou judgment in this thread, but I'm not too surprised.  All I'm gonna say is that I've known heroin users who I'd trust with my life and I've known stoners who I wouldn't trust to hold a dime for me without stealing it.  Sure, more hard drug addicts than not tend to become consumed by the drug and are willing to let what morals they once had fade away from the overpowering rush of euphoria, but just like anything there will always be exceptions to the rule.

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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: deCypher]
    #18724167 - 08/18/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses judgmental blank stereotypes




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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: deCypher]
    #18724170 - 08/18/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I also won't get close to anyone that drives hammered every day because they might die soon.


I'm not being judgmental, I just am sick of loosing friends due to selfish acts.

So please stop judging me.


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18724193 - 08/18/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fee said:
I also won't get close to anyone that drives hammered every day because they might die soon.





Do you also cut off your friends who have stage IV cancer, say from smoking cigarettes their entire life?  After all, they're almost certainly going to die soon as well, and the reason ultimately stems from their selfish behavior.  My hunch is that you wouldn't.

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I'm not being judgmental, I just am sick of loosing friends due to selfish acts.

So please stop judging me.




Why not actually support these people you call "friends" and be there for them instead of casting them off like they're worthless scum?


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #18724203 - 08/18/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Whole lot of irrational, psychedelic holier-than-thou judgment in this thread, but I'm not too surprised.  All I'm gonna say is that I've known heroin users who I'd trust with my life and I've known stoners who I wouldn't trust to hold a dime for me without stealing it.  Sure, more hard drug addicts than not tend to become consumed by the drug and are willing to let what morals they once had fade away from the overpowering rush of euphoria, but just like anything there will always be exceptions to the rule.

I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses judgmental blank stereotypes.  :cheers:



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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18724236 - 08/18/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

O I have tried and helped and helped only to get fucked over by them even after saving there lives.

The only person that is currently using heroin that I associate with is my ex gf so now I'm not making any friends that use heroin.

This will help me in the long run.


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
    #18724306 - 08/18/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You can support a friend without getting fucked over by them, ya know.  There's a difference between telling someone "I'll be there if you need advice, I can point you towards a good detox, give you tips on how to stay clean, etc..." and loaning somone money or letting them stay in your place.  :shrug:


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee] * 1
    #18724309 - 08/18/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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O I have tried and helped and helped only to get fucked over by them even after saving there lives.

The only person that is currently using heroin that I associate with is my ex gf so now I'm not making any friends that use heroin.

This will help me in the long run.




I can see not wanting to associate with someone who is addicted to any drug. While my natural instinct is to want to help them I have learned over time that sometimes you cannot offer any help and it hurts you terribly watching them self-destruct. I usually try to be there for them if they ever need me though.

But that is completely different than making asinine statements that you wouldn't associate with anyone who uses opiates, regardless of whether they are addicted or use responsibly. There is a huge difference there.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18724315 - 08/18/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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heroin is not all opiates


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18724326 - 08/18/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
While my natural instinct is to want to help them I have learned over time that sometimes you cannot offer any help and it hurts you terribly watching them self-destruct. I usually try to be there for them if they ever need me though.




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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #18724357 - 08/18/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

regardless of what others say i totally support your decision fee. i wouldnt/dont want junkies in my life either. It takes a lot of energy to create a good life for yourself, fuckers cant be dragging you down with their own issues that they cant settle.


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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: lazyfingers]
    #18724362 - 08/18/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have a friend who's an alcoholic, on and off crackhead, and an opiate addict.

He never brings the crack around, he just has occasional relapse/binges now and again. He can act a fool sometimes, when he's drunk. He once got really drunk, stole my friend's tailored suit, and then ran off to his apartment only to OD on 100mg of morphine (he survived).

But he's a great guy. He's a really special, charismatic, and caring person, and I hope he starts taking better care of himself. While I might need to keep my distance from him at times, I would never cut him off, unless he was fiending.


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