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Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind)
    #18722341 - 08/18/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

In the science of Ayurveda we have three types of foods: rajasic (hot/angry/manic), tamasic (cool/depressed/lethargic) and sattvic (neutral/content/able). These are dose-dependent.



Let's consider this in the context of drugs, and I mean ALL drugs. What are some drugs, when taken in a moderate dose, can only generate goodwill and create clarity?


Of course we have a huge list to pick from. Let's suppose we wish to nourish the ego so it directs itself into humility and compassion, right speech, intent, action, the works. Ultimately as drugs act on Focus/Intention first and foremost, that is probably a good place to explore from.

The hallmark of all of these Sattvic substances is that they above all create tendency towards Gentleness. From Gentleness arises all virtue.

Please refrain from aphorisms :smile:


Some examples:

Raw chocolate - generates empathy and love, brings out caring nature
Marijuana (oral administration without tobacco coadministration) - helps you see through deceptions by taking a step back
Syrian rue - builds up tough Warrior self within, not for the faint hearted but the very salve to faint-heartedness itself!
Ayahuasca - as above but generates distinct sensual touch with nature due to tetrahydroharmine


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: crkhd]
    #18722386 - 08/18/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i like chamomile tea :lol: very calming, relaxed, clear and subtle imo

i don't do any more formal/intense drugs these days, recently cut out caffeine as it was too stimulating. i like the idea of sattvic foods/herbs though and i'd like to explore some other sattvic herbs possibly in the future :smile:


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: crkhd]
    #18722401 - 08/18/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Cool post.

Where does tobacco fit in?

And is sattvic linguistically related to boddhisattva?


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: viktor] * 1
    #18722408 - 08/18/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

sattva in bodhisattva means 'being' - and since both are the same sanskrit word, i'm guessing the ayurvedic word sattva is related to 'being' in the sense of truth, purity, etc


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: deff]
    #18722477 - 08/18/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ultimately you will be free from all troubles IF your mind is 100% pure.

If the mind is 100% pure this means it cannot accept a single false desire. Then all it can do is attest to truth and stand through any pain or pleasure to give justice to it.


Tobacco is brutal, it is all of the above. Rajasic during the high, tamasic/rajasic during the time it wears off, the worst of both. Sattvic in those fleeting moments when it is used with total gratitude - and in these cases it is head and shoulders above the overwhelming majority of substances.

With regards to tobacco you must have pure intention before using it. Pure as in a single intention, not many intentions mixed together, and also pure as in wholesome.


In fact tobacco is what inspired this thread in many ways - I ended up making a whole thread about it just in my reply to you, here is the link: Entheogenic Tobacco: How to use tobacco to answer questions and find insight




What I'd like to find is a staple drug of choice. We ALL have a staple drug. That Zen master on a mountain? He is cracked out beyond comprehension yet he snorts at lowly mortals addicted to drugs. His drug of choice might be Ascorbic Acid but a drug is a drug!


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: crkhd] * 1
    #18723040 - 08/18/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Andre Malraux said it best:

Opium teaches only one thing, which is that aside from physical suffering, there is nothing real.  :bliss: :satansmoking:


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: deCypher]
    #18724138 - 08/18/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I studied ayurveda. First it's not science. Second all drugs are rajasic by virtue of their virya or potency.  Sattvic doesn't mean 'generating good will,' or else eating vegetable would cause world peace. Satvic means 'light' and pertains to foods which are fresh, light, and of fine quality, as well as a number of other things, like of air and space element, mostly balancing and so on. Also what starts as one guna can change to another.

Not to be a cum filled condom but having some wholistic knowledge doesn't equate with having a complete raison detre for everything.

All that said only ganja is considered a substace for Hindu ritual supplimentation, mostly in mahakali worship and mainly in the form of bhang.

In Tibetan Buddhism they say you will go to hell for smoking tobacco.  Suffiece it to say it's frowned upon even though HHDL's brother smokes like a stack.

Tobacco creates a subtle inner tension which prevents true relaxation in meditation. Don't fucking believe it then. I didn't make it up.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: deCypher]
    #18724152 - 08/18/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think marijuana fits here.
Weed makes my thought process disorganized.
Shrooms...  I can think clearly on. :mushroom2:


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18724335 - 08/18/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I can vouch for cacao. That stuff is awesome.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: eve69] * 1
    #18725740 - 08/19/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As a Hindu myself I try to live a sattvic life, but life is made up of all three of the gunas. In Bhagavad Gita Krishna says that fungi are tamic, but used in moderation it helps provide balance. Ganja, as well as being used by tantriks, is also used by Shiva bhakts like myself. It is thought by many Shaivites (devotees of Shiva) that Shiva endorses the use of marijuana. In fact, during the holy festival of Maha Shivaratri marijuana is smoked in great amounts by devotees. It is even offered to holy men as prasadam.
Back to mushrooms, psilocybin does wonders for ego suppression which helps lead to moksha through understanding the ultimate oneness of all existence.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18726052 - 08/19/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know if any of these drugs would be considered truly sattvic. Unlike foods, which I can understand the general tendency they might have to the mind, drugs are incredibly subjective. For example, one person smokes marijuana and takes a step back, beyond thought and his mind becomes quiet. Another person smokes it and gets lost in a million thoughts.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: eve69]
    #18732485 - 08/20/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

all drugs are rajasic by virtue of their virya or potency.

It would seem that drugs could be characterized by the gunas, in terms of tending towards inertia, excitatory, or tending towards 'light,' 'air,' as Tamasic, Rajasic, Sattvic respectively (or Salt, Sulphur, Mercury in the West). You might then view depressants/tranquilizers/muscle relaxers as being Tamasic, stimulants as being Rajasic, and entheogens/empathogens as being Sattvic.  "virtue" (Latin virtus), has the same root as virile, in which the 'strength' is masculinized. "Virya" seems to have the same Indo-European root, but what of the feminine strength, or power? The Kundalini-Shakti is rooted in the Earth center, and the Earth tends towards Tamas. It is through fiery 'tapas' discipline in which heat and passion is generated that the earthy Shakti is sublimated (as in chemical sublimation, from solid to gaseous) into Shiva's etherial nature. Just some thoughts on classification.
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I've never used tobacco, but even Hitler forbade its use around him for the same occult reasons I've read elsewhere, namely, that it coarsens one's astral body preventing receptivity to subtle influences. I've never read the Buddhist warning about Hell, but then again, there are Christian sects that say the same about games of chance, dance, and all manner of 'dissipation.' I'll take your word for H.H.'s brother. Chogyam Trungpa was also a tobacco addict (and an alcoholic).


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18733210 - 08/20/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It is a bit confusing sometimes. I mean, Swami Vivekananda ji smoked cigars & even drank wine from time to time.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18733236 - 08/20/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

And look what happened to him.  :ruggedwink:


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: Icelander]
    #18734235 - 08/20/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Indeed, he became an inspiration to tens of millions of people & will be remembered long after these bodies are dust & ash.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18734371 - 08/20/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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It is a bit confusing sometimes. I mean, Swami Vivekananda ji smoked cigars & even drank wine from time to time.




Yes, well, it's my karmic predicament to drink wine. I'm having some now. If you moved me to India, there's a good chance I'd indulge in bhang, charas, kif, etc. Since I was born nicotine-addicted to a mother who smoked throughout her pregnancy and poisoned me in utero, I've never even taken a puff off a cancer-stick of any sort.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18734436 - 08/20/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm happy to hear you don't smoke. It really is a nasty habit & that's coming from a smoker. I am phasing cigarettes out of my life, but I sill love cigars & a good pipe (tobacco or MJ). Right now I'm smoking one of those Blu e-cigs. I actually really like it.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18734894 - 08/20/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I hope you stay with the e-cig. I haven't used cannabis for 30+ years except for the extremely rare taste a few times since. I never really liked grass, but I've only had hashish (which I really like) once in all the time I've been in Florida (since 1983). Probably have to travel all the way to Amsterdam just to taste it again.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18735150 - 08/20/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Go to Colorado. MJ has helped me alot during many hard times & illnesses, but I don't feel the desire to smoke much anymore. Right now I'm trying to work work with ego dislocation using psilocybin & DMT (& a little LSD & K when it can be found).


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: crkhd]
    #18735228 - 08/21/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

all plant hallucinogens are Tamasic


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18737842 - 08/21/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Go to Colorado. MJ has helped me alot during many hard times & illnesses, but I don't feel the desire to smoke much anymore. Right now I'm trying to work work with ego dislocation using psilocybin & DMT (& a little LSD & K when it can be found).




There's hash in Colorado? Legal hash?


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18738085 - 08/21/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's a good question, I decided to look it up regarding Washington (Portland is on the border of Oregon & Washington), it also contains a bit of information regarding Colorado.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/washington-pot-hash/2515645/


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18738759 - 08/21/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Marijuana is legal in Colorado. Hash is simply processed marijuana. My suggestion to you is try BHO (Butaine Hash Oil). It is great stuff.


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Re: Sattvic drugs (drugs that create a clear mind) [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18740349 - 08/21/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's a good question, I decided to look it up regarding Washington (Portland is on the border of Oregon & Washington), it also contains a bit of information regarding Colorado.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/washington-pot-hash/2515645/




Thanks CJ for that article. I have an old girlfriend in Colorado. Haven't seen her since 1976. The first time I fell in love. Been dreaming about her since '76 and she found me in '08. Problem is, she's been a prostitute all her life, and runs an escort service today. I am a happily married man, whose wife tolerates the occasional phone call and e-mail, but NOT a visit! :lol: Probably have to be careful on a trip there. I don't want to put her in harm's way mailing me some. She's had enough trouble with the law for one lifetime.


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