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Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs
#18722327 - 08/18/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like to add as many varied things as I can to my mushroom substrates figuring just like a humans diet, the more varied the better. In particular I'm more so going for additives than things that can be used for a whole substrate itself. The two main things I have been collecting are floor sweepings and dryer lint. For the former I guess it depends what you drop on your floor, but typically mine consists of dirt, bunny poop, and dehydrated food/crumbs. Since I have a garden I've got quite a few other things in the yard I use, but that won't be applicable to most of you so I won't list it. Just seeing if anyone else has other ideas though of things that can be saved and collected from in or around the house. Grass clippings and leaves come to mind, though I personally have no leaves and grass clippings I have not tried indoors so I'm not sure how beneficial they'd actually be over strait poo. Does anyone else have any thoughts? I was thinking maybe most bathroom waste baskets would be good consisting of mostly paper or cardboard, but again, it depends what you put in it, you might have to sort through yours in which case it may not be worth it.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722332 - 08/18/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I like to add as many varied things as I can to my mushroom substrates figuring just like a humans diet, the more varied the better. In particular I'm more so going for additives than things that can be used for a whole substrate itself. The two main things I have been collecting are floor sweepings and dryer lint. For the former I guess it depends what you drop on your floor, but typically mine consists of dirt, bunny poop, and dehydrated food/crumbs. Since I have a garden I've got quite a few other things in the yard I use, but that won't be applicable to most of you so I won't list it. Just seeing if anyone else has other ideas though of things that can be saved and collected from in or around the house. Grass clippings and leaves come to mind, though I personally have no leaves and grass clippings I have not tried indoors so I'm not sure how beneficial they'd actually be over strait poo. Does anyone else have any thoughts? I was thinking maybe most bathroom waste baskets would be good consisting of mostly paper or cardboard, but again, it depends what you put in it, you might have to sort through yours in which case it may not be worth it.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722340 - 08/18/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can think of three things you should put in your sub for cubes....coir,verm and gypsum.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722348 - 08/18/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is this guy for real
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722370 - 08/18/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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What's so weird about this? This seems like saying humans should eat bread butter and potatoes because they contain all the nutrients we need. Certainly so, but that's not going to make a very happy human. If you're simply going to toss this stuff in the trash why not instead put it aside in a bag or something and toss some into your mushroom substrates instead?
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722376 - 08/18/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722381 - 08/18/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: What's so weird about this? This seems like saying humans should eat bread butter and potatoes because they contain all the nutrients we need. Certainly so, but that's not going to make a very happy human. If you're simply going to toss this stuff in the trash why not instead put it aside in a bag or something and toss some into your mushroom substrates instead?
Fungi aren't human.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722393 - 08/18/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The sub teks are designed to give your mycorrhizae EVERYTHING they need...they don't care what it tastes like, or if they have variety,lol. They don't get bored with it, they simply THRIVE. These teks are also designed to make it as CHEAP and EASY on the home grower as possible......don't attribute emotions to your fungus,lol...they have no feelings.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722434 - 08/18/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't say they get depressed or something. All a human needs is bread and butter to survive, but they're not going to thrive. Likewise why do you think changing up your agar medium prolongs the life and increases the rate of growth seeing as they have 'everything mycorrhizae need.' It's not as simple as you make it. They're just like plants, you can grow a plant in decent soil and it will thrive, but load that soil up with a nice compost medium and it will do even better. It's not like there's a max rate or yield you can get from a single bin, wouldn't you want to add anything you can that could help?
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722440 - 08/18/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: I can think of three things you should put in your sub for cubes....coir,verm and gypsum.
Thats gonna be awfully dry
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722444 - 08/18/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I didn't say they get depressed or something. All a human needs is bread and butter to survive, but they're not going to thrive. Likewise why do you think changing up your agar medium prolongs the life and increases the rate of growth seeing as they have 'everything mycorrhizae need.' It's not as simple as you make it. They're just like plants, you can grow a plant in decent soil and it will thrive, but load that soil up with a nice compost medium and it will do even better. It's not like there's a max rate or yield you can get from a single bin, wouldn't you want to add anything you can that could help?

Again..humans won't "thrive" on bread butter and water....but mushies WILL THRIVE on coir verm and gypsum,lol. cubes anyway
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: tbagtag]
#18722446 - 08/18/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: I can think of three things you should put in your sub for cubes....coir,verm and gypsum.
Thats gonna be awfully dry
I figured water was a given,lol
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722455 - 08/18/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I didn't say they get depressed or something. All a human needs is bread and butter to survive, but they're not going to thrive. Likewise why do you think changing up your agar medium prolongs the life and increases the rate of growth seeing as they have 'everything mycorrhizae need.' It's not as simple as you make it. They're just like plants, you can grow a plant in decent soil and it will thrive, but load that soil up with a nice compost medium and it will do even better. It's not like there's a max rate or yield you can get from a single bin, wouldn't you want to add anything you can that could help?

Again..humans won't "thrive" on bread butter and water....but mushies WILL THRIVE on coir verm and gypsum,lol. cubes anyway
So you're saying people who add anything more to their sub than hpoo, gypsum, and vermiculite are just wasting resources and don't actually have anything to show for it?
edit: I didn't realize you said coir. I've actually noticed a HUGE increase in yield by going from coir/verm/gypsum to hpoo/verm/gypsum. If you want to keep spending money on coir and are happy with your yields then keep at it, but don't dismiss this thread because you don't feel like contributing anything to it. We're all similar, whether mushrooms have emotions has nothing to do with their diet.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722462 - 08/18/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, because you will achieve the same results by following the tek's to the letter.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722473 - 08/18/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with experimenting. If nobody did we wouldn't have any of these awesome teks. In the future if you find something crazy that you strongly believe benefited your grow please share!
And btw...dont know if its true but I read somewhere awhile back that rabbit poop was awesome for cubes.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: bEelzeBosS] 1
#18722486 - 08/18/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I try to share, but then I get dismissed like this, it makes me hesitant to honestly. I can't see how you can at least not entertain the idea of varying your substrate up than such simple mediums, it just doesn't make sense. You can grow marijuana in a basic soil, but clearly you get better yields and a more robust product with a highly varied soil full of micronutrients. Why would mushrooms be any different? Honestly I don't see why anything would be any different, be a plant, animal, fungus, mold, etc. I'm about to stop asking for thoughts such as this at all based on these replies, it's rather disheartening.
edit: Yah, bunny poop should be a pretty good medium/additive. I haven't used any of this stuff yet, just had the idea today when I was sweeping the bun poop up. Certainly can't be worse than hpoo,and unlike horses I feed him a pretty varied diet too, mostly from my garden, where as horses mostly eat grass and grain, so that should carry onto the substrate for the mushrooms to utilize. I've also got a couple of compost bins which I plant to use once they become more ideal to grow in, I'd imagine that would be better than hpoo as well.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722493 - 08/18/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am all for experimenting. It is when you start talking about adding floor sweepings to your sub that I ask is this guy for real
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722503 - 08/18/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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nakor 420, psilocybes aren't mycorrhizae , mycorrhizae are fingi that live in symbiosis with plants, connected to they're roots. that kind of fungi are often very difficult to cultivate.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722504 - 08/18/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why would you not condone experimenting? If no one experimented then we wouldn't even have any teks to follow, we wouldn't be growing mushrooms at all or even eating them ffs. What's wrong with floor sweepings? Anything that can be composted can be used as a growth medium. Not that it should mind you, some things need to be broken down further before they're suitable for mushrooms, but mushrooms will eat just about anything. I fed it a still living corn husk out of curiosity earlier and it's even starting to eat that. I would not recommend feeding it most things that are green, I just had some extra myc left over in a myco bag and tossed it in there to see what would happen.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722513 - 08/18/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Krypto, relax. I understand your reasoning, it's just uninformed... and people are harsh on the internet, such is life. =)
Try reading up on the subject specifically and you will see why people object so violently.. or, hell, if you are really onto something then maybe you will find something that backs up your idea. But really, mushrooms aren't humans. They are not dogs or cats or even plants. They are fungi, so you can't base your assumptions regarding their needs on marijuana.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722522 - 08/18/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: For the former I guess it depends what you drop on your floor, but typically mine consists of dirt, bunny poop, and dehydrated food/crumbs
Rabbit shit in your floor sweepings? Do you let bunny rabbits run around the house and shit everywhere? LoL! Were you on the show "Hoarders" by any chance? There was an episode where some dude had tons of rabbits loose in his rented home... They absolutely destroyed that home.
*edit* On a serious note, I have read on here about people adding lawn clippings and fallen leaves to their substrate.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Juiceh]
#18722536 - 08/18/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Juiceh said: Rabbit shit in your floor sweepings? Do you let bunny rabbits run around the house and shit everywhere? LoL! Were you on the show "Hoarders" by any chance? There was an episode where some dude had tons of rabbits loose in his rented home... They absolutely destroyed that home.
Not to derail this, but I once gave a single hamster free access to a hard to reach, isolated wooden closet for three months. It pissed, shat and gnawed the lower levels to oblivion.
That being said; OP has bunny poop in his floor sweepings, and shit and straw tends to get on the floor in the area around cages, so I assume he keeps clean house
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Juiceh]
#18722546 - 08/18/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Besides, if you're talking about cubensis they are decomposers. So the matter does have to be biodegradable. I'm not sure if what everything people would find in their home on the floor or in the trash would meet these requirements hence the
I think if this is something you really want to do go for it, but you should be more scientific than "i swept some stuff up". Because what if you find something beneficial. Who knows maybe cubes love hot sauce right?
I have often thought of making a sub out of Mcdonalds buns since they dont grow mold.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: tbagtag]
#18722568 - 08/18/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: I have often thought of making a sub out of Mcdonalds buns since they dont grow mold.
They also contain no nourishment on account of being mostly air and styrofoam.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722573 - 08/18/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: Yes, because you will achieve the same results by following the tek's to the letter.
LOL! What COMPLETE Bullshit!!!
At least 90% of what I've read here and faithfully replicated has failed miserably.
Lots of stuff is outdated or stuff people pulled out of their asses and never tried themselves.
And there's no such thing as settled science or TEKs - there's always MORE to learn. When I started there was only one "TEK" - you grew your mycelium on brown rice in qt. jars and then cased the jars to induce fruiting. That "TEK" also called for covering the outside of the jars with foil to keep light from reaching the mycelium!
Where the fuck would we be now if some people didn't think outside the box? We'd still be growing everything in quart jars.
I've got a beautiful outdoor bed right now started from jars that a long time poster told me to throw out. I'm damned glad I didn't follow THAT advice.
Just look at all of the revisions RR has made on his 50/50 TEK. There's always room for new ideas.
My suggestion to krypto2000 is to save his corn husks - according to what I've read here they make a great addition to your bulk substrate. Same thing with corn cobs.
So there is stuff most people toss that can be used to grow mushrooms.
Instead of mocking posters, members should at least try to show them where they're wrong. For instance, saving cardboard is a great idea, but only if you're growing wood lovers.
Dryer lint? Is it mainly synthetic fibers or cotton? If it's cotton it's cellulose, which mycelium readily digests. Otherwise, toss it.
And as for garden stuff - my azurescens love my compost made from hardwood leaves.
Too many negative fucking vibes here, man. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722713 - 08/18/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Why would you not condone experimenting? If no one experimented then we wouldn't even have any teks to follow, we wouldn't be growing mushrooms at all or even eating them ffs. What's wrong with floor sweepings? Anything that can be composted can be used as a growth medium. Not that it should mind you, some things need to be broken down further before they're suitable for mushrooms, but mushrooms will eat just about anything. I fed it a still living corn husk out of curiosity earlier and it's even starting to eat that. I would not recommend feeding it most things that are green, I just had some extra myc left over in a myco bag and tossed it in there to see what would happen.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722766 - 08/18/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, that's true, experimentation and verification has brought us to this point, it's indispensable, but to use something because it can be composted, WITHOUT actually composting it first sounds like a mistake to me. Dried food crumbs?
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: coffeehead]
#18722773 - 08/18/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks man, my thoughts exactly, there's always room for improvement in everything in life from growing mushies to.. well.. sweeping the floor. If there weren't why are we still here? We might as well throw in the towel right now and start working on our coffins.
I do pick out obvious things like pieces of plastic from the sweepings, but since I tend to pick up any plastics that fall on the ground anyway, or anything else of size, they're not often in there.
My bunny just roams the house like a cat, he pees in his litter box, but he hasn't gotten the pooping down and I haven't particularly minded it, they're just little hard pebbles, no smell, and no moisture, basically balls of nutritious fiber. That's why I sweep all the time though is to mostly pick them up, but I also track in lots of stuff because I'm digging in the yard a lot. I used to save the poop from his litter box, but I figured why not just save all the floor sweepings too, if the mushies can't eat it they'll just work around it anyway, it's not going to harm anything. If some synthetic fibers or plastics get in there at worst it'd take up needless space and at best it'd contribute to a fluffier substrate. I didn't actually think about the drier lint consisting of synthetic fibers as someone mentioned, but I do believe it's most likely cotton that you'll find in your drier, mine in particular feels really soft and cotton linens tend to unravel quicker than synthetics too.
I'm the kind of person that likes to utilize everything at hand, I hardly have any trash, maybe 1 bag a week among me and my roommates, I rarely if ever throw out a meal regardless how burnt it might be, I'll just reconstitute it and turn it into a soup or something, etc. Just thought I'd share some ideas I had for substrate additives, I figured there'd be more people willing to offer positive contributions. We know the kind of things mushrooms like to eat so it doesn't seem particularly unreasonable, a lot of you act like manure/coir is some magical thing that is somehow separate from everything else and created in a bubble with the sole intention of growing mushrooms in.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722787 - 08/18/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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To each his own. I don't mind the rabbit poo personally, I'd try it if I had it. I would try to dust it off and maybe even rinse it some how though...all that other stuff sound like a waist of time to me. unless you are doing a wood lover and you have saw dust on the floor.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722804 - 08/18/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not a bad idea. In fact people experiment all the time with odd substrates just for fun if no other reason. But you'd want to use something pure. By that I mean you'd wabt to know for sure what's in it. The composition of floor sweeping or drier link is really not consistent enough to be used for a meaningful experiment.
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