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krypto2000
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Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs
#18722327 - 08/18/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like to add as many varied things as I can to my mushroom substrates figuring just like a humans diet, the more varied the better. In particular I'm more so going for additives than things that can be used for a whole substrate itself. The two main things I have been collecting are floor sweepings and dryer lint. For the former I guess it depends what you drop on your floor, but typically mine consists of dirt, bunny poop, and dehydrated food/crumbs. Since I have a garden I've got quite a few other things in the yard I use, but that won't be applicable to most of you so I won't list it. Just seeing if anyone else has other ideas though of things that can be saved and collected from in or around the house. Grass clippings and leaves come to mind, though I personally have no leaves and grass clippings I have not tried indoors so I'm not sure how beneficial they'd actually be over strait poo. Does anyone else have any thoughts? I was thinking maybe most bathroom waste baskets would be good consisting of mostly paper or cardboard, but again, it depends what you put in it, you might have to sort through yours in which case it may not be worth it.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722332 - 08/18/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I like to add as many varied things as I can to my mushroom substrates figuring just like a humans diet, the more varied the better. In particular I'm more so going for additives than things that can be used for a whole substrate itself. The two main things I have been collecting are floor sweepings and dryer lint. For the former I guess it depends what you drop on your floor, but typically mine consists of dirt, bunny poop, and dehydrated food/crumbs. Since I have a garden I've got quite a few other things in the yard I use, but that won't be applicable to most of you so I won't list it. Just seeing if anyone else has other ideas though of things that can be saved and collected from in or around the house. Grass clippings and leaves come to mind, though I personally have no leaves and grass clippings I have not tried indoors so I'm not sure how beneficial they'd actually be over strait poo. Does anyone else have any thoughts? I was thinking maybe most bathroom waste baskets would be good consisting of mostly paper or cardboard, but again, it depends what you put in it, you might have to sort through yours in which case it may not be worth it.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722340 - 08/18/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can think of three things you should put in your sub for cubes....coir,verm and gypsum.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722348 - 08/18/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is this guy for real
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722370 - 08/18/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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What's so weird about this? This seems like saying humans should eat bread butter and potatoes because they contain all the nutrients we need. Certainly so, but that's not going to make a very happy human. If you're simply going to toss this stuff in the trash why not instead put it aside in a bag or something and toss some into your mushroom substrates instead?
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722376 - 08/18/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Is this guy for real
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722381 - 08/18/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: What's so weird about this? This seems like saying humans should eat bread butter and potatoes because they contain all the nutrients we need. Certainly so, but that's not going to make a very happy human. If you're simply going to toss this stuff in the trash why not instead put it aside in a bag or something and toss some into your mushroom substrates instead?
Fungi aren't human.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722393 - 08/18/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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The sub teks are designed to give your mycorrhizae EVERYTHING they need...they don't care what it tastes like, or if they have variety,lol. They don't get bored with it, they simply THRIVE. These teks are also designed to make it as CHEAP and EASY on the home grower as possible......don't attribute emotions to your fungus,lol...they have no feelings.
Edited by Nakor420 (08/18/13 10:57 AM)
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722434 - 08/18/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't say they get depressed or something. All a human needs is bread and butter to survive, but they're not going to thrive. Likewise why do you think changing up your agar medium prolongs the life and increases the rate of growth seeing as they have 'everything mycorrhizae need.' It's not as simple as you make it. They're just like plants, you can grow a plant in decent soil and it will thrive, but load that soil up with a nice compost medium and it will do even better. It's not like there's a max rate or yield you can get from a single bin, wouldn't you want to add anything you can that could help?
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722440 - 08/18/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: I can think of three things you should put in your sub for cubes....coir,verm and gypsum.
Thats gonna be awfully dry
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722444 - 08/18/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I didn't say they get depressed or something. All a human needs is bread and butter to survive, but they're not going to thrive. Likewise why do you think changing up your agar medium prolongs the life and increases the rate of growth seeing as they have 'everything mycorrhizae need.' It's not as simple as you make it. They're just like plants, you can grow a plant in decent soil and it will thrive, but load that soil up with a nice compost medium and it will do even better. It's not like there's a max rate or yield you can get from a single bin, wouldn't you want to add anything you can that could help?

Again..humans won't "thrive" on bread butter and water....but mushies WILL THRIVE on coir verm and gypsum,lol. cubes anyway
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: tbagtag]
#18722446 - 08/18/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nakor420 said: I can think of three things you should put in your sub for cubes....coir,verm and gypsum.
Thats gonna be awfully dry
I figured water was a given,lol
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722455 - 08/18/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I didn't say they get depressed or something. All a human needs is bread and butter to survive, but they're not going to thrive. Likewise why do you think changing up your agar medium prolongs the life and increases the rate of growth seeing as they have 'everything mycorrhizae need.' It's not as simple as you make it. They're just like plants, you can grow a plant in decent soil and it will thrive, but load that soil up with a nice compost medium and it will do even better. It's not like there's a max rate or yield you can get from a single bin, wouldn't you want to add anything you can that could help?

Again..humans won't "thrive" on bread butter and water....but mushies WILL THRIVE on coir verm and gypsum,lol. cubes anyway
So you're saying people who add anything more to their sub than hpoo, gypsum, and vermiculite are just wasting resources and don't actually have anything to show for it?
edit: I didn't realize you said coir. I've actually noticed a HUGE increase in yield by going from coir/verm/gypsum to hpoo/verm/gypsum. If you want to keep spending money on coir and are happy with your yields then keep at it, but don't dismiss this thread because you don't feel like contributing anything to it. We're all similar, whether mushrooms have emotions has nothing to do with their diet.
Edited by krypto2000 (08/18/13 11:23 AM)
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722462 - 08/18/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, because you will achieve the same results by following the tek's to the letter.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Nakor420]
#18722473 - 08/18/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with experimenting. If nobody did we wouldn't have any of these awesome teks. In the future if you find something crazy that you strongly believe benefited your grow please share!
And btw...dont know if its true but I read somewhere awhile back that rabbit poop was awesome for cubes.
Edited by bEelzeBosS (08/18/13 11:24 AM)
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: bEelzeBosS] 1
#18722486 - 08/18/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I try to share, but then I get dismissed like this, it makes me hesitant to honestly. I can't see how you can at least not entertain the idea of varying your substrate up than such simple mediums, it just doesn't make sense. You can grow marijuana in a basic soil, but clearly you get better yields and a more robust product with a highly varied soil full of micronutrients. Why would mushrooms be any different? Honestly I don't see why anything would be any different, be a plant, animal, fungus, mold, etc. I'm about to stop asking for thoughts such as this at all based on these replies, it's rather disheartening.
edit: Yah, bunny poop should be a pretty good medium/additive. I haven't used any of this stuff yet, just had the idea today when I was sweeping the bun poop up. Certainly can't be worse than hpoo,and unlike horses I feed him a pretty varied diet too, mostly from my garden, where as horses mostly eat grass and grain, so that should carry onto the substrate for the mushrooms to utilize. I've also got a couple of compost bins which I plant to use once they become more ideal to grow in, I'd imagine that would be better than hpoo as well.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722493 - 08/18/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am all for experimenting. It is when you start talking about adding floor sweepings to your sub that I ask is this guy for real
Edited by Stromrider (08/18/13 12:36 PM)
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722503 - 08/18/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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nakor 420, psilocybes aren't mycorrhizae , mycorrhizae are fingi that live in symbiosis with plants, connected to they're roots. that kind of fungi are often very difficult to cultivate.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: Stromrider]
#18722504 - 08/18/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why would you not condone experimenting? If no one experimented then we wouldn't even have any teks to follow, we wouldn't be growing mushrooms at all or even eating them ffs. What's wrong with floor sweepings? Anything that can be composted can be used as a growth medium. Not that it should mind you, some things need to be broken down further before they're suitable for mushrooms, but mushrooms will eat just about anything. I fed it a still living corn husk out of curiosity earlier and it's even starting to eat that. I would not recommend feeding it most things that are green, I just had some extra myc left over in a myco bag and tossed it in there to see what would happen.
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Re: Trying to create a list of common things around the house that can be saved and added to mush subs [Re: krypto2000]
#18722513 - 08/18/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Krypto, relax. I understand your reasoning, it's just uninformed... and people are harsh on the internet, such is life. =)
Try reading up on the subject specifically and you will see why people object so violently.. or, hell, if you are really onto something then maybe you will find something that backs up your idea. But really, mushrooms aren't humans. They are not dogs or cats or even plants. They are fungi, so you can't base your assumptions regarding their needs on marijuana.
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