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spiritualseeker21
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Comparisons
#18721592 - 08/18/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello people, since we are in a shroom forum but have the opportunity to talk about other types of dope and have a common terminology to express the same levels of experience , maybe is interesting to make some comparisons and possibilities of experience between each medicine that we take.
In your personal experience(and I am not asking for dosage or something like that), what is the best dope to go when someone is seeking a level 5 experience(without using MAO): DMT smoked or crewed, Salvia smoked or crewed or last but not least the typical psilocybin cubensis, aka, Mushroom?
If so, why? and for how long it takes or it tooked in your experience?
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Mush4Brains
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Please don't ever, ever, ever call DMT, salvia, or mushrooms "dope" ever again. Even jokingly.
But, the obvious answer would be DMT and salvia (smoked), as long as you break through you are at the definition of "Level 5"
My last salvia trip about 2-3 months ago still isn't sitting right for me. I'm not sure whether I need to go back or never touch that shit again (and I'm pretty damn experienced with psychedelics).
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Mush4Brains said: Please don't ever, ever, ever call DMT, salvia, or mushrooms "dope" ever again. Even jokingly.

but jokingly, its a pretty damn funny joke.
"yo bro i just ate some trippy ass dope"
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spiritualseeker21
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Wow, I really didnt say joking. I dont know what terminology to use. Some forums dont like the term dr@g, so...
anyway, thanks for the commentaries. By level 5 I mean obviously samadhi/satori-like experience of lost sense of physical world and sometimes even of the internal world.
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Its all about letting go, or really high dosages when it comes to the mushroom, some people can breakthrough on 5 grams, others have to be forced into the experience with 10 or 14 grams. I've brokenthrough on 4 aco DMT before so ill say it really has to do with "letting go" let yourself melt, submit to it.
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smoked DMT all in one go
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theRAPeutic
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Why do you want to reach level 5 so bad?? Have you done any of these substances before?
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spiritualseeker21
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lol, I don't want 'so bad'. Who says that? but I am trying to get level 5 for experiential reasons...
somebody from this forum knows if their any comparative scale between brainwaves(alpha, gamma, theta, delta etc) and which substance produces more or less? would be something interesting to have in addition to the level scales(1,2,3,4,5).
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Salvia will take you there in 2 big hits. 20x and over. But there is a reverse tolerance, might take a couple times.
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spiritualseeker21 said: Wow, I really didnt say joking. I dont know what terminology to use. Some forums dont like the term dr@g, so...
My impression from your OP that you are either 12 years old or a cop has only been reinforced by this. I vote 
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spiritualseeker21
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Nah, I am just new in Shroomery. Would be a comic caricature to think like that(or I am a young newbie or a cop.
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Then bravo for the cop who is interested in psychedelics! At any rate, salvia will get you there like no other drug can. DMT is a close second, and if you're looking for the most reliably rewarding experience then go with that. But for sheer power and "level fivedness" salvia is the way to go.
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Lysergic_Milkman said: Then bravo for the cop who is interested in psychedelics! At any rate, salvia will get you there like no other drug can. DMT is a close second, and if you're looking for the most reliably rewarding experience then go with that. But for sheer power and "level fivedness" salvia is the way to go.
Salvia feels more dissociative than classic hallucinogen. It can also be dysphoric. Its pharmacology is completely different than DMT. These two are often compared, but inappropriately. Yes, it displaces your ego, but by a totally different means than anything else discussed on this forum. It is a k-opioid agonist, so technically an opiate, but a very strange one. DMT is a 5-ht2a agonist, like everything else on this forum, besides thc.
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Re: Comparisons [Re: ressa69]
#18726698 - 08/19/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think anybody ever said otherwise, ressa69. But if you're looking for a level 5 experience, smoking either Salvia or DMT are the best way to get there fast. Really the only similarities are the short duration.
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spiritualseeker21 said: Wow, I really didnt say joking. I dont know what terminology to use. Some forums dont like the term dr@g, so...
My impression from your OP that you are either 12 years old or a cop has only been reinforced by this. I vote 
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by the use of the word "dope", I definitely see why you vote cop.
I think hes just a
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Nature Boy said:
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spiritualseeker21 said: Wow, I really didnt say joking. I dont know what terminology to use. Some forums dont like the term dr@g, so...
My impression from your OP that you are either 12 years old or a cop has only been reinforced by this. I vote 
N.B.
by the use of the word "dope", I definitely see why you vote cop.
I think hes just a 
its quite funny thats it hard to tell the difference between a cop and a little boy
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Lysergic_Milkman
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Re: Comparisons [Re: ressa69]
#18727321 - 08/19/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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ressa69 said: Salvia feels more dissociative than classic hallucinogen.
Absolutely. It is not remotely like the classical hallucinogens. It is a dissociative, but it also generates profoundly intense hallucinations in its own right.
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ressa69 said: It can also be dysphoric.
Very much so. That's why DMT is the more 'reliable' of the two. Salvia can freak out even the hardest veterans at times and leave little room for spiritual growth.
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ressa69 said: Its pharmacology is completely different than DMT. These two are often compared, but inappropriately. Yes, it displaces your ego, but by a totally different means than anything else discussed on this forum. It is a k-opioid agonist, so technically an opiate, but a very strange one....
Of course. We don't want anyone thinking the experiences are similar and that is not at all what I meant. However it is not a classical opiate either. kappa-opioid receptors act very differently from the mu-opoid receptors and we still understand very little about the kappa receptors (considering salvinorin-a was one of the first drugs discovered that binds at that site). Obviously the effects are very bizzare. It doesn't merely displace your ego, it obliterates it along with your entire reality. One of the hall-marks of an upper level salvia trip is forgetting that you smoked salvia (a terrifying thought), a side-effects of ego-death.
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ressa69
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ressa69 said: Salvia feels more dissociative than classic hallucinogen.
Absolutely. It is not remotely like the classical hallucinogens. It is a dissociative, but it also generates profoundly intense hallucinations in its own right.
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ressa69 said: It can also be dysphoric.
Very much so. That's why DMT is the more 'reliable' of the two. Salvia can freak out even the hardest veterans at times and leave little room for spiritual growth.
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ressa69 said: Its pharmacology is completely different than DMT. These two are often compared, but inappropriately. Yes, it displaces your ego, but by a totally different means than anything else discussed on this forum. It is a k-opioid agonist, so technically an opiate, but a very strange one....
Of course. We don't want anyone thinking the experiences are similar and that is not at all what I meant. However it is not a classical opiate either. kappa-opioid receptors act very differently from the mu-opoid receptors and we still understand very little about the kappa receptors (considering salvinorin-a was one of the first drugs discovered that binds at that site). Obviously the effects are very bizzare. It doesn't merely displace your ego, it obliterates it along with your entire reality. One of the hall-marks of an upper level salvia trip is forgetting that you smoked salvia (a terrifying thought), a side-effects of ego-death.
By using the same vague scale (i.e. 1-5) are you not classifying things as inherently similar, and doing so on a post where the OP is very new to this stuff?
Cough medicine can give you ego death and a crazy experience, so can ketamine, and maybe if we huff paint enough we could reach a solid level 5. Heck we've all been drunk enough to the point where we can't remember a thing; who we are or why we got so hammered and end up in your neighbors baby pool singing the theme from pirates of the carribean shouting WHY IS THE RUM GONE!
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Re: Comparisons [Re: ressa69]
#18731922 - 08/20/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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No. I am speaking to Seeker on his own terms in the phraseology he understands best. A numbered scale is perfectly fine to use for many different things, including different drugs. On that point it is not vague at all, but specifically defined by Dr. Alexander Shulgin (the + [plus] system). Do you imply that the DMT experience is similar to a movie review because both use a rating system? Of course not, and no one else is implying that either. I digress.
I recommend DMT first if you can find it. There is no "best" option, although there are many "good" options and plenty of bad ones. Salvia is a good option if you can't get your hands on DMT. And--to stress the point for absolute clarity's sake--the two are in no way substitutes for each other. They both are merely capable of producing a plus 5 psychedelic experience. mind you, the salvia scale goes to 6, which for experiential purposes is irrelevant, and the DMT scale is really either a level 2 or a level 5--you get some trippy DMT visuals or you break through into DMT land. No in between.
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My go-to level 5 was on smoked 2C-X and cannabis.
Went straight into level 5 in minutes, completely different universe with complete motor function. Absolutely fucking astonishing experience, and long enough to figure out everything.
I know salvia and DMT are similar in the aspect that you destined to lie down and fly into the supernovae from there
But the 2C-X which is related to cactus and amphetamines, is very physical and very very long in comparison. I believe it be a more fleshed out experience. It is certainly more dangerous.
I have had very good experiences with mushrooms and I have had those level 5 moments but the drug swoons and sways, you will be in places like shulgins +++ and then you will be in places where you kind of wish that time you wanted to wish away to come back again lol
Edited by slacknsurf420 (08/20/13 12:26 PM)
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