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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
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Cannabischarlie
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sVs said: A thousand dollars really isn't an exorbitant sum of money to drop on nearly any hobby, and it is perfectly average for a good gaming PC. Maybe if you're flipping burgers that might be well out of the ballpark for you, but if that's the case, your priorities should be reconsidered.
Get a grip, that is in no way average, you clearly don't know much about PCs let alone gaming on the PC
Even if you are flipping burgers you are likely prioritizing the wrong things if an average build is at that range for you.
You also need to set up an SSD a normal sized 128 to do caching, not just the operating system.
600 to 800 is probably average, for building it yourself at least. Look at what is selling out there, you will notice what is average is below 1.000, maybe a bit more depending on certain factors.
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You are talking about prebuilt PCs. Which use shit components and take shortcuts. We are talking about Custom builds, with high quality components.
Dude I do this for a living. 1000 is average. And actually on the lower end. I help hundreds of people per month.
Yeah you can put some POS $20 Dynex PSU in your system and save a few bucks, but don't bitch at me when it catches on fire and fries the rest of your components. Everything I recommended to OP is HIGH QUALITY stuff. I recommended a PC P&C or Seasonic PSU as they are the best and most reliable in the industry. You pay a little bit more. But I would MUCH rather pay a little bit more, for the highest quality. (NOTE: There is a different between HIGH QUALITY and 'Top of the Line" in performance") I am talking about overall QUALITY of the product.
Also SSD as an OS/game drive is pretty much defacto standard for any decent gaming build nowadays. Generally OS and a few games on the SSD, and everything else on a larger 1TB or whatever mechanical HDD. Until SSDs become DIRT cheap, then that's usually how most people will do it. It's actually kind of dumb to build a high-end gaming/production/whatever system, and NOT have an SSD, as that mechanical will then be your bottleneck.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18720624 - 08/17/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have 1300-1500$ to spend. what kind of specs can that buy me?
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Look at the specs I linked to OP in an earlier post. That's a good foundation to start with. I didn't even calculate the total for that actually. Too lazy atm (and at work :P )
But with a few hundreds extra to spend, it depends what you want. Generally, if all other things are equal... I'd use the extra money for a bit higher end graphics card... maybe 16GB or 32GB of RAM, maybe a bigger SSD or a real nice monitor. It really depends what you are after
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18720694 - 08/17/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Right... but by then... Crysis9 or whatever will be out, and then that computer will barely be able to run it without upgrading the GPU or whatever :P
And then that means waiting, when you want to play those games right now.
Some people just don't really give a shit about that latest and greatest aspect though. There are tons of computer games from all eras that I haven't played yet, and I'm sure a lot of them are good. The same goes for console games. My computer can play some pretty new games but that's not the primary reason I upgraded.
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Which is what I was trying to explain in my earlier post. You can ALWAYS wait and get today's technology at a fraction of the price a year or two down the line. So you have to find a middle ground somewhere, or you will ALWAYS be waiting because "oh.. well I can just get this cheaper 6 months from now". I seriously talk to people that do this for YEARS... it's hilarious.
Yes, that does sound silly. I usually just budget a certain amount that I'm willing to pay for a certain type of component, and pull the trigger whenever that amount will buy a big performance increase (or sometimes when the last one fails.) For CPU and motherboard that's usually something like $300 every 5 years.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18720705 - 08/17/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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the gtx 660 is comparable to the next gen platforms
the 760 is a bit better and would make use of a good cpu
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
#18720739 - 08/17/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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psi said: Yes, that does sound silly. I usually just budget a certain amount that I'm willing to pay for a certain type of component, and pull the trigger whenever that amount will buy a big performance increase (or sometimes when the last one fails.) For CPU and motherboard that's usually something like $300 every 5 years.
That sounds about right for most people CPU/mobo upgrades are generally every 5 years or so and GPU upgrades are somewhere around 3 years it seems
My general rule of thumb is, I don't upgrade unless I am jumping up at least 2-3 "Tiers" or generations in performance. Like I'm running a 560Ti right now, I'll probably upgrade when the 800 series comes out.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18720760 - 08/17/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: You are talking about prebuilt PCs. Which use shit components and take shortcuts. We are talking about Custom builds, with high quality components.
Dude I do this for a living. 1000 is average. And actually on the lower end. I help hundreds of people per month.
Yeah you can put some POS $20 Dynex PSU in your system and save a few bucks, but don't bitch at me when it catches on fire and fries the rest of your components. Everything I recommended to OP is HIGH QUALITY stuff. I recommended a PC P&C or Seasonic PSU as they are the best and most reliable in the industry. You pay a little bit more. But I would MUCH rather pay a little bit more, for the highest quality. (NOTE: There is a different between HIGH QUALITY and 'Top of the Line" in performance") I am talking about overall QUALITY of the product.
Also SSD as an OS/game drive is pretty much defacto standard for any decent gaming build nowadays. Generally OS and a few games on the SSD, and everything else on a larger 1TB or whatever mechanical HDD. Until SSDs become DIRT cheap, then that's usually how most people will do it. It's actually kind of dumb to build a high-end gaming/production/whatever system, and NOT have an SSD, as that mechanical will then be your bottleneck.
You really assume too much, and no one is even saying don't have an SSD, but that is still not going to set you up to 1,000 and I have never gone with a cheap PSU for a build, it's easily a stupid mistake, but good ones don't have to cost an arm and a leg, and that price point you could still do better than what you have.
If you aren't doing SSD caching you are completely wasting space on one of those things. This essentially speeds up everything and makes your regular hard drive stuff run faster.
putting games on the SSD isn't going to do much, not compared to just setting the operating system and caching the rest
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MilkdudTitties said: i have 1300-1500$ to spend. what kind of specs can that buy me?
you can buy a computer capable of playing any game out there today on max settings with that kind of startup.
put it all into the rig. buy a 22-24" flatscreen monitor off craigslist for $75, semi-decent mouse +keyboard+speakers for $25.
that leaves 12-1400$ on your rig. i could create a beast of a machine with that kind of money.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: ManianFH]
#18720886 - 08/17/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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MilkdudTitties said: i have 1300-1500$ to spend. what kind of specs can that buy me?
you can buy a computer capable of playing any game out there today on max settings with that kind of startup.
put it all into the rig. buy a 22-24" flatscreen monitor off craigslist for $75, semi-decent mouse +keyboard+speakers for $25.
that leaves 12-1400$ on your rig. i could create a beast of a machine with that kind of money.
i already have a mouse/keyboard/moniter. The money is just for the computer itself of course
i was kind of thinking about upgrading though. just was wondering if 1300-1500 would buy me top of the line stuff. Right now i am using a laptop with AMD Athlon Dual-Core QL-62, 2.8 GB ram, GeForce 8200M G (shit card i know)(actually, pretty shit laptop in general)
back 5 or 10 years ago, i know this amount of money would buy all top of the line stuff. just wondering if it still will today.
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MilkdudTitties said: i already have a mouse/keyboard/moniter. The money is just for the computer itself of course
i was kind of thinking about upgrading though. just was wondering if 1300-1500 would buy me top of the line stuff. Right now i am using a laptop with AMD Athlon Dual-Core QL-62, 2.8 GB ram, GeForce 8200M G (shit card i know)(actually, pretty shit laptop in general)
back 5 or 10 years ago, i know this amount of money would buy all top of the line stuff. just wondering if it still will today.
Not TOP TOP of the line. But yeah if you have 1300-1500 to spend on the computer alone, you can build a pretty fucking bitching system that will DOMINATE any modern game. I can help you pick out some specs a bit later when I get home. But yeah do you have a 1080p monitor at least?
I mean if you want TOP of the line... you can spend $1900 on a CPU alone. $1000 on a single GPU. But that's for crazy/rich people.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Niffla]
#18720923 - 08/17/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Niffla said: Working right now. Night #4 of a 7 consecutive night stretch. I get off in 5 and a half hours.
And then I'm gonna go home and get my 5 AM drank on.

oh fuck wrong thread
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Niffla]
#18720927 - 08/17/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: You are talking about prebuilt PCs. Which use shit components and take shortcuts. We are talking about Custom builds, with high quality components.
Dude I do this for a living. 1000 is average. And actually on the lower end. I help hundreds of people per month.
Yeah you can put some POS $20 Dynex PSU in your system and save a few bucks, but don't bitch at me when it catches on fire and fries the rest of your components. Everything I recommended to OP is HIGH QUALITY stuff. I recommended a PC P&C or Seasonic PSU as they are the best and most reliable in the industry. You pay a little bit more. But I would MUCH rather pay a little bit more, for the highest quality. (NOTE: There is a different between HIGH QUALITY and 'Top of the Line" in performance") I am talking about overall QUALITY of the product.
Also SSD as an OS/game drive is pretty much defacto standard for any decent gaming build nowadays. Generally OS and a few games on the SSD, and everything else on a larger 1TB or whatever mechanical HDD. Until SSDs become DIRT cheap, then that's usually how most people will do it. It's actually kind of dumb to build a high-end gaming/production/whatever system, and NOT have an SSD, as that mechanical will then be your bottleneck.
You really assume too much, and no one is even saying don't have an SSD, but that is still not going to set you up to 1,000 and I have never gone with a cheap PSU for a build, it's easily a stupid mistake, but good ones don't have to cost an arm and a leg, and that price point you could still do better than what you have.
If you aren't doing SSD caching you are completely wasting space on one of those things. This essentially speeds up everything and makes your regular hard drive stuff run faster.
putting games on the SSD isn't going to do much, not compared to just setting the operating system and caching the rest
Ok then I'm completely wrong and have no idea what I'm talking about after 15+ years building custom PCs and 4+ years in tech support in the GPU/mobo hardware and gaming industry. Please build me a system that has the highest quality components and better specs then what I posted earlier that is cheaper. Thanks in advance.
No but really. If you aren't doing SSD caching you are wasting your SSD? That's ridiculous. I don't assume. I go based off years of experience and what 95% of gamers and overclockers are doing. Like I've said multiple times. You can spend less. You can cut corners. You can buy cheaper components if you want.
But on the average, most GOOD gaming builds from scratch with good modern components, costs about 1k+.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Niffla]
#18721030 - 08/17/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Niffla said: Working right now. Night #4 of a 7 consecutive night stretch. I get off in 5 and a half hours.
And then I'm gonna go home and get my 5 AM drank on.

oh fuck wrong thread
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: ganjfather]
#18721060 - 08/17/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18721077 - 08/17/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's a couple custom gaming builds I've done for people in the last year or two:





Custom watercooling adds a bit of cost. I'm not even factoring watercooling into the 1k price, because most people go air. But the cheapest one there (green tubes) was around 900 before the watercooling. Course they could have gone cheaper instead of buying a $500 GPU. But like I said... averages. The big one at top cost around 5-6k.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18721317 - 08/18/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fuck yeah Star Citizen! That game actually made me start a PC build. I bought the case, MOBO, and PSU off a member here for a good deal but I haven't had the money to finish the build. Some day I probably will though. That game is so fucking cool! Good luck with whatever path you choose. I can link you to my thread where people were walking me through my PC build if that would help.
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