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2nd DMT extraction
#18720698 - 08/17/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So ill start off by saying hello and that im happy to let you know i got my first good dose of DMT the other night from my first extraction .By the way it did not yeild as mush as i thought it would but then again it was only 100g of acacia confusa. My first extraction was not based of any "tek" but more of another thread i was following because i liked his results, but i did not get the same great crystallization as he did. Anyway i will be doing the same method (10:1:1) water/lye/acacia but this time with 200g instead (and some other tweaks).But let me go back to the yeild of the first extraction ,Goo just goo. Now searching for crystals i was weary of this goo at first not understanding what i did wrong ,but then i read this page about the different consistency and color of dmt extracts .Realizing this was common i get my jars with a dried sticky resadue in them, i throw some naptha in each then pour the rest in a pyrex tray .Using my hash dabber thinggy i used a purging method from bho hash and make lines in the try everywhere finding this goo and then picking it up with a razor only got maybe .3 but i got a good dose none the less .OK now onto my next extraction .Like i said i will be using the same weird "tek" with 200g but i will have a extra 50 grams left that i would like to try a lime/ammonia method to see if i could get a small scale crystal to form instead of this goo ,dont get me wrong i love this jungle jam goop but i dont feel as if it is pure and i feel like im smoking tar heroin as i want to get some friends to partake, they dont know that dmt can come in a goo form and not a crystal.
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Wtf tek calls for ammonia? I think you may mean vinegar. Nonetheless, my buddy found that when using acacia put the tray in the freezer and wait 1-4 hours, then pour off into another tray then back in the freezer. Pure white. When DMT is in contact with plant oils and NMT it cannot crystallize.
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with Acacia you deffinetely need to defat! theres unwanted plant junk and alkaloids in acacias. Good luck on your next extract!Good vibes to you
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18720816 - 08/17/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: Wtf tek calls for ammonia? I think you may mean vinegar. Nonetheless, my buddy found that when using acacia put the tray in the freezer and wait 1-4 hours, then pour off into another tray then back in the freezer. Pure white. When DMT is in contact with plant oils and NMT it cannot crystallize.
haha sorry i dont need to ever get those things mixed up, great advice
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A defat would probably work better. I just haven't figured out how to fit it in vinegar/lime dry tek.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18720900 - 08/17/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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what is a defat anyway? im looking it up and cant find anything.
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This is one reference I've found so far, it deals with a STB lye tek though.
http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Vovin%27s_tek
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721010 - 08/17/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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so i skipped to part 4 : defatting and what i got from that was i am basically smoking acacia fats with some dmt?
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Yhea, acacia also has some natural beta carbolines, nmt, and other stuff that some find undesirable. Personally it gives another aspect to the trip but for crystal you have to separate them.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721062 - 08/17/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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really ok thats awesome information .That makes me wonder about making some 50/50 acacia/MHRB mix for an extraction though i dont know if i can get MHRB i can get like yopo seeds and acacia. Thats all i can think of ,do you know any other good dmt analogs?
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I've always wanted to experiment with P.viridis, really acacia is a great material. You should just try the freeze 1-4hr then switch trays, my friend, and a couple of knowledgeable people art the nexus confirmed it. The reason I say a defat would probably work better is yield. When you do the switching of trays there is no doubt in my mind some DMT has precipitated by then, and thus a loss in yield. Although you could probably wash the first tray with small amounts of naptha and get the rest out since naptha has more of an affinity for DMT than the rest (NMT, plant oils etc.).
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721139 - 08/17/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok and if i do this freeze transfer am i just going to come out with a cleaner goo or are crystals going to form?
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721141 - 08/17/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721147 - 08/17/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Should get crystals with a little NMT.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721182 - 08/17/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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woah that sounds really interesting/simple ,am going try it out. OK now if i can jump onto another topic, that is my idea for a mini 50g acacia extraction with vinegar/lime .Do you think its a waist of time ?should i just make some ayahuasca?
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Q21Q21's vinegar/lime dry tek is what my friend and I use, to me its the safest because there are no toxic chemicals.
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This was my original tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17060277/fpart/1/vc/1 but what i would like to know is why his crystals came out so pure!
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721207 - 08/17/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: Q21Q21's vinegar/lime dry tek is what my friend and I use, to me its the safest because there are no toxic chemicals.
yea iv got it bookmarked ill check it out soon.
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dakotaellis166 said: This was my original tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17060277/fpart/1/vc/1 but what i would like to know is why his crystals came out so pure!
Like I said earlier naptha has a higher affinity for DMT than the rest of the stuff. It matters how much DMT is in the solution and how much naptha is used. If the naptha is saturated in DMT then it can't puck up very much of anything else. My first pulls off A.confusa are generally fluffy white then it just goes from there. I haven't been able to try the trading trays tek yet. Need to start a new extraction, I know for a fact it works though.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721266 - 08/17/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok i did use a rather weird/large amount of naptha for just 100g ,in my first extraction i came out with like 8 1/4pt jars
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Yhea I had to learn the hard way too, I try to use less than 120ml per 100g of material. Less the better, but it will take more pulls.
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A double A/B would work great to pure it up, Defatting is when you add warm naptha to the acid solution, let it seperate, turkey bast the top layer out and do this another two more times, a Polar wash is also another option.
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im going to go ahead and say im a total n00b and am just learning terminology ,now what is the difference between an a/b or an stb ? whats a polar wash? i apologize for my ignorance .
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A/B: acid/base STB: straight to base
IOW, STB involves no acid step.
I think he is talking about a non-polar wash using sodium carbonate and an NPS such as naptha or heptane. I could be wrong though.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721376 - 08/18/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Polar wash as in Acetone wash. For me it seemed to help.
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And if your wanting to seperate DMT and other alkaloid, you can do that with heptane.
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ok thanks for the information ,i feel like there are all these teks but nothing explaining the terminology ,that could just be me not being smart enough to connect the dots
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ok so what i think im going to do with my 200g batch is, doing a lye /water /acrb mix in a half gallon milk jug (maybe freezing and thawing my acrb out a few times before) let sit for a days then add naptha and do my first pull ,how long do you think i should let the naptha sit for?
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Never longer than 15 mins, the base is what does the work getting the alkaloids out of the material, the naptha just pulls it out and doesn't take too long to get saturated. You should really do an a/b for confusa. STB's take longer and I've heard they're not as good for confusa.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721616 - 08/18/13 03:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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What he said Don't do STB for acacias man like i said the shit has unwanted stuff a lot has histamine amides, smoking more than 40-50mg of histamine extract will give you an asthma attack, now we don't want that do we, just trying to keep each other safe, do a double A/B if a single A/B is yielding orange/yellow oils.
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The Fluffy White Funfest tek looks simple enough
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721804 - 08/18/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: Q21Q21's vinegar/lime dry tek is what my friend and I use, to me its the safest because there are no toxic chemicals.
This. And it works with A.C.
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K1ngSp4de said: Q21Q21's vinegar/lime dry tek is what my friend and I use, to me its the safest because there are no toxic chemicals.
This. And it works with A.C.
very true and for me it was alot simpler than i expected basically the same thing as lye/water but with vinegar/lime .
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got my acacia and pickling lime today ,i already had 5% white vinegar .So im going to skim over the tek again and do an extraction tomorrow.
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ok so im having a problem picking a glass container to do pulls in if iv only got 100g a.c i only need 100ml hot water and 100ml vinegar thats 200ml and all i have is a huge mason jar and a 1/2 gallon wine jug and i dont want it to low i cant get to my naptha but i dont want it to high wher i cant put enough naptha in there. What should i do?
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You don't have a quart mason jar? I think they're perfect for 100g of bark.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18729319 - 08/19/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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long story short ,what kind of container would u use for 100g a/b tek
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A quart mason jar, or possibly a half gallon milk container, glass pickle jar, glass peanut butter jar. Anything glass or hdpe that's big enough really.
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dakotaellis166 said: so i skipped to part 4 : defatting and what i got from that was i am basically smoking acacia fats with some dmt?
When you extract your acacia in water here's what happens:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/DMT.png
If you look at the picture, notice the H (HYDROGEN) attached to the N (Nitrogen). This hydrogen is only sort of there due to the nature of the flexibility Nitrogen has with chemical bonds.
When we add vinegar, we are increasing the number of extra H+ ions (Hydrogen) dissolved in the water.
If you look at Naptha http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Naphthalene-2D-Skeletal.svg/597px-Naphthalene-2D-Skeletal.svg.png
Notice that there are no Nitrogens or Oxygens. Just carbon and hydrogen. This means that it will NOT dissolved in water.
Now lets look at some Plant Fat http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/LAnumbering.png/800px-LAnumbering.png
It's got the oxygens on the end, which like water, but that long chain of carbons and hydrogen makes it insoluble in water. OIL AND WATER DO NOT MIX. NO DOY!
If we have all three of these things in water with vinegar (acidic), then the Naptha will have the Oil in it. (Like dissolves like). So if we remove the naptha while the water has vinegar in it, then we remove the "Fats" as well. "DEFAT".
BUT THEN HOW DOES THE DMT GET IN THE NAPTHA!!
When we add the NaOH (Lye), We lose those H+ ions and hence that Hydrogen that was on the DMT is no longer there. Without that, it will dissolve into the naptha. Hence the name "Freebase" DMT.
If you skip the defat step, the all of the oils in the plant matter will also end up with your freebase product.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: ressa69]
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Another issue you may be having is one with the recrystallization process.
You want a minimal amount of solvent(naptha) to recrystallize. So if you extract with some extra naptha, which you should (use the stuff from the hardware store in the paint section, not lighter fluid), you will need to let most of it evaporate before you put it in the freezer to get crystals.
DO NOT EVAPORATE ALL OF IT OFF. THIS DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF EXTRACTION.
When you have maybe 1/4 of a cup of naptha from an initial 1-2 cups used for extraction, put it in a jar in the freezer and you will not be disappointed. After that, carefully dump out the naptha, leaving the crystals in the bottom.
Skip the wash step, they are pure enough at this point and washing will just make you lose product. Put the jar in front of a fan to dry the extra naptha in the bottom. This should only take a few minutes. When the jar has no naptha smell in it, seal it and put it in the freezer for safe keeping.
Keep in mind that over time the DMT will oxidize and become more waxy. This is normal.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: ressa69]
#18729962 - 08/19/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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236-472ml of solvent? That's way too much and a waste of solvent evaporating so much off, especially for 100g of bark.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18730259 - 08/19/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: A quart mason jar, or possibly a half gallon milk container, glass pickle jar, glass peanut butter jar. Anything glass or hdpe that's big enough really.
yea sorry its whatever i think i can figure it out my real problem is i only have a turkey baster not a pippette, i need one bad
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18730267 - 08/19/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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no i wasnt talking about the naptha i meant the mix of water/vinegar/A.C
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: ressa69]
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ressa69 said: Another issue you may be having is one with the recrystallization process.
You want a minimal amount of solvent(naptha) to recrystallize. So if you extract with some extra naptha, which you should (use the stuff from the hardware store in the paint section, not lighter fluid), you will need to let most of it evaporate before you put it in the freezer to get crystals.
DO NOT EVAPORATE ALL OF IT OFF. THIS DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF EXTRACTION.
When you have maybe 1/4 of a cup of naptha from an initial 1-2 cups used for extraction, put it in a jar in the freezer and you will not be disappointed. After that, carefully dump out the naptha, leaving the crystals in the bottom.
Skip the wash step, they are pure enough at this point and washing will just make you lose product. Put the jar in front of a fan to dry the extra naptha in the bottom. This should only take a few minutes. When the jar has no naptha smell in it, seal it and put it in the freezer for safe keeping.
Keep in mind that over time the DMT will oxidize and become more waxy. This is normal.
ok yea i get exactly what your saying ,thanks for the info
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: ressa69]
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ressa69 said: Another issue you may be having is one with the recrystallization process.
You want a minimal amount of solvent(naptha) to recrystallize. So if you extract with some extra naptha, which you should (use the stuff from the hardware store in the paint section, not lighter fluid), you will need to let most of it evaporate before you put it in the freezer to get crystals.
DO NOT EVAPORATE ALL OF IT OFF. THIS DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF EXTRACTION.
When you have maybe 1/4 of a cup of naptha from an initial 1-2 cups used for extraction, put it in a jar in the freezer and you will not be disappointed. After that, carefully dump out the naptha, leaving the crystals in the bottom.
Skip the wash step, they are pure enough at this point and washing will just make you lose product. Put the jar in front of a fan to dry the extra naptha in the bottom. This should only take a few minutes. When the jar has no naptha smell in it, seal it and put it in the freezer for safe keeping.
Keep in mind that over time the DMT will oxidize and become more waxy. This is normal.
wait a second so your saying that i can use a large amount of naptha just let some evap before throwing it in the freezer?
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also kingspade have you done a.c freebase ?what do you think of the nmt/dmt mix?
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I was talking to the other guy who said 1-2 cups of naptha.
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yea sorry its whatever i think i can figure it out my real problem is i only have a turkey baster not a pippette, i need one bad
You can generally just pour it off, Turkey basters suck anyways they are a good way to get naptha and DMT all over your workspace.
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ok cool ,and when you say pour it off i tried last time it didnt work so well ,how many pulls do you think you could do with 100g
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and yes you are right about getting naptha everywhere ,i might just use a medicine dropper and take it nice and slow (i tried that last time it took forever, so i took it outside to scrape it on concrete to make the hole a tad bigger ,it broke)
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now let me get a 2000ml elenmeyer flask ,and ill pour that shit right off
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Warming the naptha is good for seperations!! remember when you warm it up place the naptha into a glass jug and then place the glass jug into a hot bath.
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for defatting ? or just in general?
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for both Naptha extraction and defatting. heat makes seperation easier and faster!
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so i dont really get defatting....how much dmt am i waisting by defating ?
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None because only oils and inactives are soluble into the naptha at this point.
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ok oh yea cause your doing it before you base it
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yaaay! man when i first got into this it seemed like rocket science but no it just average chemistry .Im loving this info on NMT i want to try and isolate it but then again its so great mixed with the dmt ,veryone thinks they go great together, but i cant get MHRB so iv given up on my dream for big yellow crystals . But i love the goo too. but anyway i should be doing the extraction today if i can get my brothers scale.
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but anyway im going to do the defat, can i get some time frames like how long should the naptha sit on the vinegar/a.c for the defat. And then how long for the pulls after the lime is added?
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does it matter how long ? i mean im thinking the longer it sits the more fat is collected and then the longer it sits the more DMT is collected ?
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wait a second last time i could not get all of the naptha out so if i have any of the fatty naptha left this time and cant get it all out ,im going to have problems?
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just tilt the jug up and down, DONT SHAKE that will cause emulsions, just depending on how much ACRB you used, I usually tilt it for 30seconds to 1 minute then seperate straight away.
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You have a turkey baster don't you? I don't even have a pipette or a syringe, just patiently suck in the top layer slowly, either way if you get any of the brown in the turkey baster it will go to the bottom. And don't worry on your first and second defat if you haven't gotten all the naptha out you still have your third, but remember on your third be very precise, gotta get all that shit out! Sorry if i make no sense as we speak i am high on the marley.
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haha no problem ,im sleep deprived...ok ill give it a shot.
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I've never done a defat and never had a problem. If you see some yellow goop underneath your crystals just Lett it dry really well, and then lightly scrape your crystals with a razorblade. You should leave most of the oils behind. I also use a flat Pyrex dish for freeze percipitation so its alot easier to scrape. And f you do end up with a small amount of oil in your product don't worry too much it just gives it a morewaxy goop appearance than crystals and maybe a tad less potent by weight
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Yeah my bad on the 1 cup of naphtha. I thought you said 1000g, not 100.
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haha i wish man ,as soon as i get some money to buy MHRB by the kilo ill be working with large amounts .
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yea im still debating on doing it or not ,having leftover naptha while adding lime worries me
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Why is it that the very impure dmt goo from a rushed extraction seems so much more enjoyable than the more pure stuff?
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Why use lime when Lye (NaOH) is easy to get at the hardware store? Yes, it can be dangerous. Just don't touch it and keep a gallon of vinegar nearby for cleanup.
And what do you mean by leftover naptha? the lime/lye doesn't dissolve in the naptha, it dissolves in the water.
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Could be other active alkaloids that make the experience more to your liking. Someone likely did an alkaloid profile on acacia. Search for it to see what they are.
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Why use lime when Lye (NaOH) is easy to get at the hardware store? Yes, it can be dangerous. Just don't touch it and keep a gallon of vinegar nearby for cleanup.
And what do you mean by leftover naptha? the lime/lye doesn't dissolve in the naptha, it dissolves in the water.
i have lye i just wanted to do a food - grade extraction ,maybe get some food grade d limonene
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i dont know i like it but iv heard some people say it has "undesirable" parts to it
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Why use lime when Lye (NaOH) is easy to get at the hardware store? Yes, it can be dangerous. Just don't touch it and keep a gallon of vinegar nearby for cleanup.
And what do you mean by leftover naptha? the lime/lye doesn't dissolve in the naptha, it dissolves in the water.
i have lye i just wanted to do a food - grade extraction ,maybe get some food grade d limonene
limonene is for a the FASA tek, not for recrystallization.
Just chill your boner and use these things. If you do not put any of them on your face, genitals, mouth, asshole, or cat, nothing bad will happen.
1. Distilled Water - (available at all major groceries. NOT SPRING WATER)
2. Vinegar - (At the grocery. It's a food. You eat it.)
3. Lye aka NaOH - (hardware store sold as Lye)
4. Naptha - (Hardware store, sold as Naptha)
5. Bark of Choice.
These are very inexpensive compared to what you get out, given you use enough plant material.
The only really dangerous thing on that list is NaOH (LYE). Just work in a well ventilated environment. Naptha fumes are gross. It's basically gasoline. Not that dangerous.
Water and vinegar are edible for poops sake.
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^ can anyone vouch for this?
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Dude, you need to read some more. You can use limonene for a full spectrum extract.
I agree lye can be used, but why mess with caustic chemicals when you can lower the ph with food grade and get the SAME EXACT RESULTS.
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This should not be a problem, it will go into the water/vinegar/bark mixture, and the naptha will separate since it's non-polar.
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I agree lye can be used, but why mess with caustic chemicals when you can lower the ph with food grade and get the SAME EXACT RESULTS.
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This should not be a problem, it will go into the water/vinegar/bark mixture, and the naptha will separate since it's non-polar.
ok so it wont like fall to the bottom and make me have like 3 layers of fluid?
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ok so im going to do 3x 75g extractions one with lime/vinegar and one with lye/water depending on witch one yields more will determine what tek i go with on the third. (couldnt get my brothers scare today will be doing it tomorrow)
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thank you. everything seems to be going fine i have my lye mix sitting right beside my lime/vinegar mix ,about to do a pull of the lye solution and in about 2-3 hours ill be doing a pull from the lime/vinegar mix.
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Why use lime when Lye (NaOH) is easy to get at the hardware store? Yes, it can be dangerous. Just don't touch it and keep a gallon of vinegar nearby for cleanup.
And what do you mean by leftover naptha? the lime/lye doesn't dissolve in the naptha, it dissolves in the water.
i have lye i just wanted to do a food - grade extraction ,maybe get some food grade d limonene
limonene is for a the FASA tek, not for recrystallization.
Just chill your boner and use these things. If you do not put any of them on your face, genitals, mouth, asshole, or cat, nothing bad will happen.
1. Distilled Water - (available at all major groceries. NOT SPRING WATER)
2. Vinegar - (At the grocery. It's a food. You eat it.)
3. Lye aka NaOH - (hardware store sold as Lye)
4. Naptha - (Hardware store, sold as Naptha)
5. Bark of Choice.
These are very inexpensive compared to what you get out, given you use enough plant material.
The only really dangerous thing on that list is NaOH (LYE). Just work in a well ventilated environment. Naptha fumes are gross. It's basically gasoline. Not that dangerous.
Water and vinegar are edible for poops sake.
Instructions too complicated, got my dick stuck in a ceiling fan.
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actually thats a good idea ,im going to look into that.
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Why use lime when Lye (NaOH) is easy to get at the hardware store? Yes, it can be dangerous. Just don't touch it and keep a gallon of vinegar nearby for cleanup.
And what do you mean by leftover naptha? the lime/lye doesn't dissolve in the naptha, it dissolves in the water.
i have lye i just wanted to do a food - grade extraction ,maybe get some food grade d limonene
limonene is for a the FASA tek, not for recrystallization.
Just chill your boner and use these things. If you do not put any of them on your face, genitals, mouth, asshole, or cat, nothing bad will happen.
1. Distilled Water - (available at all major groceries. NOT SPRING WATER)
2. Vinegar - (At the grocery. It's a food. You eat it.)
3. Lye aka NaOH - (hardware store sold as Lye)
4. Naptha - (Hardware store, sold as Naptha)
5. Bark of Choice.
These are very inexpensive compared to what you get out, given you use enough plant material.
The only really dangerous thing on that list is NaOH (LYE). Just work in a well ventilated environment. Naptha fumes are gross. It's basically gasoline. Not that dangerous.
Water and vinegar are edible for poops sake.
Instructions too complicated, got my dick stuck in a ceiling fan.
all jokes aside i like this tek, but may i ask ,why do you use vinegar before lye? iv never heard of that.
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oh shit, so i fucked up? i didnt use vinegar with the lye tek
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can i leave naptha on the solution for a few weeks to say "milk the cow for all she's got"
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I wouldn't do that to be honest knowing that dmt starts deggrading once basified. LYE tek with that do you mean Straight to Base tek? if so you do not need to use any acids and don't bother doing an Acid to Base because with Acacia Confusa the oil you get is only because you pulled NMT out as well which NMT does not crystallize, you should be fine!! and again HAPPY YIELDINGS!
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I suggest using vinegar for the defat step, as acacia is different than mrhb. We've been over this several times in the thread.
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Given the unique alkaloid profile for acacia, I would just do the FASA tek and then freebase from there. This might yield something goopy, but it would be pure enough and you would not need a defat step. The dmtnexus has a lot of information. However the methods mentioned previously will work very well and yield a more pure product.
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ok so i did the two extractions and i yeiled about 2x as much as last time but still not as much as expected .Its the goo it gets stuck to my razor blade and you lose alot ,is there anyway i could turn this goo into a powder ,with maybe acetone or some shit?
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Just settle for the goo. If it works, who cares. Sometimes putting it in the freezer can make it solid temporarily.
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dakotaellis166 said: ok so i did the two extractions and i yeiled about 2x as much as last time but still not as much as expected .Its the goo it gets stuck to my razor blade and you lose alot ,is there anyway i could turn this goo into a powder ,with maybe acetone or some shit?
Just settle for the goo. If it works, who cares. Sometimes putting it in the freezer can make it solid temporarily.
yeah i understand, actually i came out with a beautiful gold goo looks pretty pure
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just found out my friend has a huge momosa tre she said i can take some roots .I am more than thrilled ,Crystals here we come
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You should verify its species, not all Mimosas have alkaloids, or at least the desired ones.
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Dakota, did you freeze percipitate or evaporate? Because i've been doing extractions on Maidenii, Mucronata and Floribunda which have the same alkaloids as Confusa, you can crystal it up by doing a few re-crystalizings. Either way the goo is nice a mix of NMT and DMT gives that extra beautiful visuals!
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so im smoking this shit right now ,and i remember the first hit i got a pretty strong taist of lye or vinegar ,not sure which
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18756628 - 08/25/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah very true ,ill post pictures ,or just take my chances doing an extraction ...can i buy a dmt test kit? kinda like a drug test?
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If it was really harsh to the throat and you still notice harshness after the trip then it is lye, DMT stinks of plastic and when smoked tastes really chemically, If there is no smell of naptha you should be fine.
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That gold goo will be like red bull..it gives your mind wings lol
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yea no naptha
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If its a white goo just leave it out for a few days and it will harden to a waxy consistancy.(if it turns a pinkish shade don't worry its still fine) If its a yellow oil, just wipe it up with some herrbs or something and put in a bowl. I can't get the oil to crystalize or turn solid for shit. But I never end up with very much at all and usually just discard it as its kind of messy.
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i based it . all i can say is holy shit. Just ordered some more naptha for the 3rd extraction .
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dakotaellis166 said: i based it . all i can say is holy shit. Just ordered some more naptha for the 3rd extraction .
Awesome! Each time, you get a little better at the extraction. Just keep reading up on different teks till you find what works for you.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: ressa69]
#18762688 - 08/27/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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but i could not come to a conclusion on which tek was better (what a surprise) haha
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so im thinking about doing a a/b acrb extract with a defat ,has anyone ever done this?
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dakotaellis166 said: so im thinking about doing a a/b acrb extract with a defat ,has anyone ever done this?
Yep. White fluffy crystals.
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nice ,how many pulls ?
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Could you be more specific in your question? I'm not quite sure how to answer that haha.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18811291/vc/1#18811291
That's what I did with good results.
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malicom said: I bought a pound of ACRB, and have already pulled 3 grams of nice fluffy crystals out. What I like to do is scrape the nice pure white crystals from the side of the jar with a spoon, and drop them on a mirror to dry. All the rest that I miss, and including the brown goo on the bottom, I add a shot of alcohol to the jar. In my case i have 190 proof moonshine. and put about an eight of crumbled buds in it and stir it good and reduce it slowly in a double boiler at very low temps. It will cure, and the weed will be semi-crystaline. I also prefer this method to smoking straight crystal, as you need to put it on weed or something anyway.
This process is called DMTree. 
WHOA...i love this...cant get the shine doe...
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how much did you get a pound for?
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malicom said: 50$ you dont need shine either. you can also use naptha, acetone, or alcohol. Just alcohol stinks the least.
Also there are many plants in nature that contain trace amounts of dmt. Im still researching, but its a high percentage. Like above 75. Wetland grasses and reed grasses often contain .5 percent dmt. So if you simply scaled your process up, and cooked it longer, you could have a free source that you can make from local flora anywhere.
So far dmt has made me see some weird shit. Ive had two Deja Vu experiences that i had seen months ago in dreams. Fucking Wicked.
Phalaris is very hard to work with, hard to identify, and has a totally different alkaloid content. If you choose to go that route, grow it yourself and use one of the strains that has high yields.
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malicom said: DMT is so ubiquitous in nature, i suspect that rendering down your lawn would produce some. Im just guessing. I havnt gotten there yet.
I have seeds for all the major dmt producers, but i suck with plants.
Im good with mushrooms, and chemistry. Plants dont like me.
plants require patience. A desmanthus patch will take three years from seed to harvest.
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