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K1ngSp4de
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Yhea I had to learn the hard way too, I try to use less than 120ml per 100g of material. Less the better, but it will take more pulls.
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A double A/B would work great to pure it up, Defatting is when you add warm naptha to the acid solution, let it seperate, turkey bast the top layer out and do this another two more times, a Polar wash is also another option.
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im going to go ahead and say im a total n00b and am just learning terminology ,now what is the difference between an a/b or an stb ? whats a polar wash? i apologize for my ignorance .
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A/B: acid/base STB: straight to base
IOW, STB involves no acid step.
I think he is talking about a non-polar wash using sodium carbonate and an NPS such as naptha or heptane. I could be wrong though.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721376 - 08/18/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Polar wash as in Acetone wash. For me it seemed to help.
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And if your wanting to seperate DMT and other alkaloid, you can do that with heptane.
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ok thanks for the information ,i feel like there are all these teks but nothing explaining the terminology ,that could just be me not being smart enough to connect the dots
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ok so what i think im going to do with my 200g batch is, doing a lye /water /acrb mix in a half gallon milk jug (maybe freezing and thawing my acrb out a few times before) let sit for a days then add naptha and do my first pull ,how long do you think i should let the naptha sit for?
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Never longer than 15 mins, the base is what does the work getting the alkaloids out of the material, the naptha just pulls it out and doesn't take too long to get saturated. You should really do an a/b for confusa. STB's take longer and I've heard they're not as good for confusa.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721616 - 08/18/13 03:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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What he said Don't do STB for acacias man like i said the shit has unwanted stuff a lot has histamine amides, smoking more than 40-50mg of histamine extract will give you an asthma attack, now we don't want that do we, just trying to keep each other safe, do a double A/B if a single A/B is yielding orange/yellow oils.
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The Fluffy White Funfest tek looks simple enough
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18721804 - 08/18/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: Q21Q21's vinegar/lime dry tek is what my friend and I use, to me its the safest because there are no toxic chemicals.
This. And it works with A.C.
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K1ngSp4de said: Q21Q21's vinegar/lime dry tek is what my friend and I use, to me its the safest because there are no toxic chemicals.
This. And it works with A.C.
very true and for me it was alot simpler than i expected basically the same thing as lye/water but with vinegar/lime .
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got my acacia and pickling lime today ,i already had 5% white vinegar .So im going to skim over the tek again and do an extraction tomorrow.
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ok so im having a problem picking a glass container to do pulls in if iv only got 100g a.c i only need 100ml hot water and 100ml vinegar thats 200ml and all i have is a huge mason jar and a 1/2 gallon wine jug and i dont want it to low i cant get to my naptha but i dont want it to high wher i cant put enough naptha in there. What should i do?
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You don't have a quart mason jar? I think they're perfect for 100g of bark.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#18729319 - 08/19/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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long story short ,what kind of container would u use for 100g a/b tek
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A quart mason jar, or possibly a half gallon milk container, glass pickle jar, glass peanut butter jar. Anything glass or hdpe that's big enough really.
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dakotaellis166 said: so i skipped to part 4 : defatting and what i got from that was i am basically smoking acacia fats with some dmt?
When you extract your acacia in water here's what happens:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/DMT.png
If you look at the picture, notice the H (HYDROGEN) attached to the N (Nitrogen). This hydrogen is only sort of there due to the nature of the flexibility Nitrogen has with chemical bonds.
When we add vinegar, we are increasing the number of extra H+ ions (Hydrogen) dissolved in the water.
If you look at Naptha http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Naphthalene-2D-Skeletal.svg/597px-Naphthalene-2D-Skeletal.svg.png
Notice that there are no Nitrogens or Oxygens. Just carbon and hydrogen. This means that it will NOT dissolved in water.
Now lets look at some Plant Fat http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/LAnumbering.png/800px-LAnumbering.png
It's got the oxygens on the end, which like water, but that long chain of carbons and hydrogen makes it insoluble in water. OIL AND WATER DO NOT MIX. NO DOY!
If we have all three of these things in water with vinegar (acidic), then the Naptha will have the Oil in it. (Like dissolves like). So if we remove the naptha while the water has vinegar in it, then we remove the "Fats" as well. "DEFAT".
BUT THEN HOW DOES THE DMT GET IN THE NAPTHA!!
When we add the NaOH (Lye), We lose those H+ ions and hence that Hydrogen that was on the DMT is no longer there. Without that, it will dissolve into the naptha. Hence the name "Freebase" DMT.
If you skip the defat step, the all of the oils in the plant matter will also end up with your freebase product.
Hope that helps.
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Re: 2nd DMT extraction [Re: ressa69]
#18729791 - 08/19/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Another issue you may be having is one with the recrystallization process.
You want a minimal amount of solvent(naptha) to recrystallize. So if you extract with some extra naptha, which you should (use the stuff from the hardware store in the paint section, not lighter fluid), you will need to let most of it evaporate before you put it in the freezer to get crystals.
DO NOT EVAPORATE ALL OF IT OFF. THIS DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF EXTRACTION.
When you have maybe 1/4 of a cup of naptha from an initial 1-2 cups used for extraction, put it in a jar in the freezer and you will not be disappointed. After that, carefully dump out the naptha, leaving the crystals in the bottom.
Skip the wash step, they are pure enough at this point and washing will just make you lose product. Put the jar in front of a fan to dry the extra naptha in the bottom. This should only take a few minutes. When the jar has no naptha smell in it, seal it and put it in the freezer for safe keeping.
Keep in mind that over time the DMT will oxidize and become more waxy. This is normal.
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