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SoCalHunter
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Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? *Update with prints*
#18720577 - 08/17/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I hit one of my Pan. cinct. spots yesterday and found a couple of these mixed in.
Spore print: JET BLACK
Gill morphology is identical to Pan. cinctulus
Cap is porcelain white and lacks the usual color zones of Pan. cinct. The caps also seem to lack any uniformity around the edge. Mature specimends also will not flatten out like Pan. cinct. Nor will they become convex with age; instead they stay slightly umbonate. Some bruise a beautiful aqua-blue on the base & stem.
Here are some pics for comparison.... The dark capped specimend is Pan. cinctulus; the other is the mushroom in question.




Here is another one from a couple weeks ago (same as the mushroom in question)

 Thanks as always for your time and insight
Edited by SoCalHunter (08/18/13 01:36 PM)
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Byrain

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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? [Re: SoCalHunter]
#18720597 - 08/17/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you have Panaeolina.
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SoCalHunter
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? [Re: Byrain]
#18720691 - 08/17/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Both print JET BLACK(see accidental spore print in the bottom right of the last picture. And there was quite a bit of BLUE bruising on some of the stems & stem butts (pictures below). 

Therefore:
Panaeolina is ruled out because this genus contains Brown spore prints & no bruising (to the best of my knowledge.)
Edited by SoCalHunter (08/17/13 09:52 PM)
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? [Re: SoCalHunter]
#18720785 - 08/17/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is there sulphidia on the gill faces? Pupto
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SoCalHunter
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#18720832 - 08/17/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: Is there sulphidia on the gill faces? Pupto
Definition of sulphidia please? (if you have the time) ??Pupto??
I've gathered that "sulphidia" are seen microscopically and may be similar to looking for basidia, cystidia, ect.. However I can't for the life of me (ok, well a 5 minute google search) find the definition of "sulphidia" Only thing I can find references: Pan. antillarum; which fits quite well... except for the blue bruising.
-------------------- Disclaimer: The information posted above has no basis in reality; it all came to me during a Lucid Dream after copious amounts of Tequila
Edited by SoCalHunter (08/17/13 10:15 PM)
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SoCalHunter
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? [Re: SoCalHunter]
#18720948 - 08/17/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Further reading has me thinking possibly Panaeolus cyanescens (although the stipe seems a little off)
I'll have to break out my El-cheapo microscope tomorrow and post some shots inorder to help.
-------------------- Disclaimer: The information posted above has no basis in reality; it all came to me during a Lucid Dream after copious amounts of Tequila
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Byrain

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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? [Re: SoCalHunter]
#18721357 - 08/18/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you have a microscope, start with the spore texture at 1000x. I still strongly think at least the last two pictures show Panaeolina. The bluing ones could be P. cinctulus.
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Joust
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? [Re: Byrain]
#18721459 - 08/18/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Byrain said: If you have a microscope, start with the spore texture at 1000x. I still strongly think at least the last two pictures show Panaeolina. The bluing ones could be P. cinctulus.
I agree, the lack of a pruinose stipe has me thinking Panaeolina also...
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? [Re: Joust]
#18722379 - 08/18/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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the first bunch are typical looking Panaeolus cinctulus. I always liked finding those very white ones with the very white gill fringe. here's a few I found once with that trait"
 The one from a few weeks ago, Doesn't look like the source of that print. The fawny brown gills, that slope sharply into the cap from a clearly non-in-curved margin. Just screams panaeolinia to me. That and the print on the paper doesn't look like an accidental deposit from this mushroom, it looks like it came from one (a different one) lying more flush..
The "bluing" youve showed, isnt blue. Thus is blue in Panaeolus cinctulus 
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SoCalHunter
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Re: Panaeolus cinctulus sub species...cool mutation...OR some other Pan. sp??? [Re: Mitchnast]
#18722846 - 08/18/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Obviously the mushroom from a couple weeks ago didnt make that exact print; It was however made by a mushroom that had identical macroscopic features.
As for the blueing.... I dont have a good camera right now and these area all camera phone shots; therefore I'm not able to focus very well and the blue doesn't "POP". Not all mushrooms will bruise as "bright" blue as yours. Do some research man, it all depends on the Psilocin concentration held within the mushroom; which then oxidizes and turns blue. Also it is uncommon for Pan. cintulus to bruise the bright blue green you show in your picture........ I'm not your average street punk looking for shits & giggles, I know what the color blue looks like, and I know the difference between BROWN prints & BLACK prints.
"EDIT: 1:30pm.. I'm sorry for my rather rude tone in the above message, its been a long, stressful day I understand you are just adding info and trying to help. Here are the ACTUAL prints from both pale mushrooms pictured above, and one of their brethren....
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Edited by SoCalHunter (08/18/13 04:05 PM)
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