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Hashfinger
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My first tobacco purge
#18719195 - 08/17/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know where this post should belong, or if I am in the right forum or not... but I figure this is where most of the ayahuasca talk gets done, and ayahuasca shamanism as well as tobacco shamanism go hand in hand. Anyway...
I have been growing my own Mapacho (N. rustica), learning about tobacco shamanism and how to cleanse the body properly with this powerful plant. I have had prior experiences with using tobacco as a "cleanseogen" (cleansing entheogen) in the form of Singado. If you are not familiar with Singado, read this thread. I had been wanting to do an "inside out" total purge as I felt there were a lot of lingering toxins, bad energies, whatever term(s) work for you... Basically I have been having bowel issues, random and minor, but enough to be a disturbance. Also a lot of phlegm and mucus was still lingering from a nasty head cold I fought off with plenty of Sweetgum bark (shikimic acid). So I found myself in the right headspace last evening, and with an empty (or so I thought) stomach, proceeded to brew some dried and cured Mapacho in water. As far as dosage goes, I can't recommend anyone do this unless they are first comfortable and familiar with the cleansing effects of Singado. Once you have cleared that level, you simply double the amount you would use to make singado, and end up drinking about 3x as much liquid as would normally go up your nose. Again, this is not for someone who is not familiar with tobacco's effects outside of smoking it...
I drank a little cupfull of the astringent green liquid, following it with a large glass of water. "Hey, not so bad!" I thought. Then, within seconds after getting it down, an "itchy" agitated feeling crept up my esophagus as my stomach started churning. However, at this point, nausea was not present. I could feel the dizziness ensue, and my body felt very weak and shaky, but still no purge. I discounted the medicine, and figured I hadn't done enough. I took a little more of the Mapacho juice, followed by another full glass of water. I went outside to piss when I got a little gag-reflex response. I coughed hard, and puked a small amount, but definitely not a full belly unloading. Figuring this just wasn't enough to induce the full purge, I put on a record and started preparing some cannabis for a joint. Within a few seconds, I started cold-sweating and getting really weak and shaky. It was finally making its power known...
I got up, and made it to my bucket just in time to unload one of the most powerful loads of vomit I have ever discharged. The force behind the purge was absolutely astounding. This is not like when you are ill and weak, and your body is puking because it doesn't know what's wrong. This is more like your body knows exactly that it needs to empty every last content. I purged 5 or 6 times, filling my (very large) puke bowl. Going outside to dump the evil nastiness (there were BLACK hunks of phlegm in the vomit!), I took a second to breathe and feel the cool night's air on my bare skin. I drank some more water, and braced myself for round two...
The shakes continue, but they are not uncomfortable convulsions, it is more like waves crashing through your body. Sweating profusely, I really feel that this stuff is triggering my body to clean itself any way it can and get the mapacho as well as anything else lingering in the system out. I feel like my body has no idea what's happening to it, but my mind is able to calm the system and say, "Shhhh. Its okay. This is all beneficial." After emptying the vomit vessel and returning to my bed, I close my eyes only to experience a second and harder wave of purging. This time, I saw the rice I had eaten now almost 5 hours ago. I got the sense that this was my "lower" intestines dumping their contents as the Mapacho finally hit them. I almost filled the bowl again after a good 6 or 7 heaves. Gosh! Where is all this crap coming from!? You would think after filling a bucket full of stomach-contents, that there really wouldn't be anything left... Well, needless to say, I'm amazed at all the little nooks and crannies there are to store crap in your body.
After the second round of purging, I definitely felt like I was through the worst of it. Still shaky and weak, but definitely able to breathe a sigh of relief knowing the Mapacho was finishing its job. I finished preparing my cannabis (opting to smoke a bowl at this point), and started puffing slowly so I wouldn't cough. The cannabis complimented the tail-end of this experience perfectly, whisking away the last little flutters of nausea, and returning strength and stability to the subtle areas of my body. As I lay in bed, I watch little flickers of visions play across my closed eyes which was quite unexpected but lovely. I drifted off to sleep and woke up the next morning feeling absolutely amazing. Words just don't express it... Its like not being sick anymore. Or better yet, waking up the morning after a trip. Its entirely empowering and you feel new again. Very hard to explain, you will just have to work with this plant yourself and see! Or I guess if you live in an area where ayahuasca shamans are available, you could find someone who could guide you so you don't die. Lol. Anyway, I hope you are all staying healthy, and hashy!
-Hashfinger
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Re: My first tobacco purge [Re: Hashfinger]
#18719239 - 08/17/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cool report-thanks! I sometimes have a similar feeling when I void anything, urine, feces or vomit in the height of a psychedelic trip. Instead of it having no impact, or in the case of vomit being uncomfortable, it feels like toxins and evil ju ju is being released from my pent up, confused, stressed out dysfunctional body. Makes me feel awesome!
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Hashfinger
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Re: My first tobacco purge [Re: pslyke]
#18719386 - 08/17/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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pslyke said: Cool report-thanks! I sometimes have a similar feeling when I void anything, urine, feces or vomit in the height of a psychedelic trip. Instead of it having no impact, or in the case of vomit being uncomfortable, it feels like toxins and evil ju ju is being released from my pent up, confused, stressed out dysfunctional body. Makes me feel awesome!
That's what its all about man! You just can't even try and explain it to people who don't even know what's wrong with themselves. I mean, half the time you never know you can feel better until you do feel better.
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Re: My first tobacco purge [Re: Hashfinger]
#18719401 - 08/17/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drinking tobacco-tea doesn't really sound healthy to me. The reaction of your body to the brew appears to somewhat confirm this hypothesis.
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Hashfinger
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Lord_McLovin said: Drinking tobacco-tea doesn't really sound healthy to me. The reaction of your body to the brew appears to somewhat confirm this hypothesis. 
Lol. Listen to anyone speak about their experience under the influence of ayahuasca and you'd think they were probably dying.
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Re: My first tobacco purge [Re: Hashfinger]
#18719429 - 08/17/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You were not drinking ayahuasca though, i.e. taking a psychedelic drug, were you? Thinking that you are dying is rather common with higher doses of psychedelics, but what you were describing there sounds like your body's reaction to a dangerous intoxication (not as in fun drugs, but as in actual poison).
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Hashfinger
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Lord_McLovin said: You were not drinking ayahuasca though, i.e. taking a psychedelic drug, were you? Thinking that you are dying is rather common with higher doses of psychedelics, but what you were describing there sounds like your body's reaction to a dangerous intoxication (not as in fun drugs, but as in actual poison).
You're exactly right. I was not using tobacco as a drug. I was trying to purge my body. I'm not talking about ego-death on psychedelics, i was referring to "la purga." It is characteristic of the ayahuasca vine itself to induce heavy purging from both ends of the body. This is half of the experience. I don't like to think of any of these plant teachers (ayahuasca, mapacho, san pedro, mushrooms, datura, etc.) as "fun drugs" as you say.
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Re: My first tobacco purge [Re: Hashfinger]
#18719517 - 08/17/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by rikuni (03/15/14 09:20 AM)
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Hashfinger
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Re: My first tobacco purge [Re: rikuni]
#18719529 - 08/17/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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rikuni said: sounds nice but not in the actual sense I havent done it because its just so hard on the body but did other plants which purge also. Are you doing a diet with the tobacco? Thank god these plant cannot used as fun. 
One would normally want to eat a pretty light diet for at least 24 hours, then fast for a bit before (not really fasting, just have an empty stomach). I decided to do it when I did not only because of lingering symptoms from sickness, but also because I hadn't really eaten solid food all day and my stomach and mindset were accepting of the thrashing. Again, Idk why anyone would even consider these things "fun." Actually, being healthy and feeling good and clean is fun, so I guess if you are psyched on feeling healthy, then do it!
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