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Anglerfish
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#18713578 - 08/16/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: I wonder how genetically similar atrobrunnea is to silvatica/medullosa...
There are several obvious differences - and one is habitat. P. atrobrunnea is listed with one find from Norway, and named the "bog psilocybe".
Otherwise, MO states Deconica turficola as preferred name, yet rogersmushrooms.com calls it P. atrobrunnea again, and calls it hallucinogenic.
As far as I know, it was never confirmed to contain psilocybin or other active compounds. If there are any sources to the contrary, I'd love to see.
According to Stamets, only report of active compounds in this species is from the Norwegian collection - "Høiland (1978) reported psilocybin activity from specimens collected in Norway. No other studies are known to me."
But, in the Norwegian report, the footnotes says "Psilocybin? K. Høiland" - so there might be some mistake done here, it was a long time ago.
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Edited by Anglerfish (08/16/13 08:48 AM)
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knarkkorven
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
#18713633 - 08/16/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Check out http://www.stridvall.se/fungi/gallery/Psilocybe/SV11_094 now, zoom in on the base. I can see blue mycelium. It could be something...
Do you have Høiland's paper? I would love to read it.
also, check out http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10110201/fpart/1/vc/1
Edited by knarkkorven (08/16/13 09:00 AM)
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
#18713646 - 08/16/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a confirmed atrobrunea print from a Bob Zimmer collection I could compare it too.
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Anglerfish
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
#18713706 - 08/16/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: Do you have Høiland's paper? I would love to read it.
So would I, I don't have the paper itself, only a reference to the collection.
I could eventually ask him about it, but the myco-forum where he hangs out is not very open to discuss hallucinogenic species because of their connection to the university versus the drug/legal situation. You get fingers pointed at you very easily.
Other than that, I read a paper from John Allen referring to the same document, and also he states that it probably is due to some faulty identification - "since P. atrobrunnea is not a neurotropic species."
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knarkkorven
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
#18713950 - 08/16/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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From Guzmans book "The genus Psilocybe", page 304.
"Discussion: According to Leung et al. (1965) P. atrobrunnea does not have psilocin, but P. atrobrunnea reported by Høiland (1978) from Norway has psilocybin and maybe this Norway's fungus is another unknown species, because Høiland decribed spores (7.5-) 8.2-10.5 (-12.5) x 4.5-6 x 4.5-5.2 (-6( micrometer, cheilocystidia 12-25.5 x 4.5-6.7 micrometer, and pleurocystidia inconspicuous and context with strong farinaceous smell, features not belong to P. atrobrunnea. Høiland's species is close to ..."
The rest would have been nice to read, but google books doesn't allow us to read it. Can someone who owns the book fill out the missing parts please.
Doesn't that forum have a PM function or perhaps you can ask for a mail address to Mr. Høiland?
Edited by knarkkorven (08/16/13 10:27 AM)
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knarkkorven
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
#18714004 - 08/16/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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perhaps this is the missing info. From Ott's Pharmacotheon:
"Guzmin felt that the specimen analyzed by Hoiland as Psilocybe atrobrunnea was more likely referable to P. serbica or P. callosa (Guzmin 1983), both known psilocybian species."
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Doruirimescu
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
#18714150 - 08/16/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Uploaded one more spore print.they really dont leave too many spores....
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Anglerfish
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
#18714188 - 08/16/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doruirimescu said: Uploaded one more spore print.they really dont leave too many spores....
Also P. semilanceata is a challenge to print. But I read somewhere that the best is to try print them in the same temperature as they grow, rather than room temp. Never tried this but it doesn't seem too off the hook - I mean P. cubensis grows in "room temperature" and prints really well indoors.
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Hashfinger
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
#18714706 - 08/16/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are there any photos of P. callosa? Is it synonymous with serbica?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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knarkkorven
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#18714777 - 08/16/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, its synonymous with Psilocybe strictipes
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Hashfinger
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
#18714801 - 08/16/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: No, its synonymous with Psilocybe strictipes
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Blue-FunGuy
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#18716185 - 08/16/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here some D.turficola that usually come up in the Fall in my area.
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Hashfinger
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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
#18718539 - 08/17/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Blue-FunGuy said: Here some D.turficola that usually come up in the Fall in my area.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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