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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Hashfinger]
    #18713578 - 08/16/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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I wonder how genetically similar atrobrunnea is to silvatica/medullosa...:strokebeard:




There are several obvious differences - and one is habitat. P. atrobrunnea is listed with
one find from Norway, and named the "bog psilocybe".

Otherwise, MO states Deconica turficola as preferred name, yet rogersmushrooms.com calls
it P. atrobrunnea again, and calls it hallucinogenic.

As far as I know, it was never confirmed to contain psilocybin or other active compounds.
If there are any sources to the contrary, I'd love to see.

According to Stamets, only report of active compounds in this species is from the
Norwegian collection - "Høiland (1978) reported psilocybin activity from specimens
collected in Norway. No other studies are known to me."

But, in the Norwegian report, the footnotes says "Psilocybin? K. Høiland" - so there
might be some mistake done here, it was a long time ago.


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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
    #18713633 - 08/16/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Check out http://www.stridvall.se/fungi/gallery/Psilocybe/SV11_094
now, zoom in on the base. I can see blue mycelium. It could be something...

Do you have Høiland's paper? I would love to read it.

also, check out http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10110201/fpart/1/vc/1

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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
    #18713646 - 08/16/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I have a confirmed atrobrunea print from a Bob Zimmer collection I could compare it too.


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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
    #18713706 - 08/16/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you have Høiland's paper? I would love to read it.





So would I, I don't have the paper itself, only a reference to the collection.

I could eventually ask him about it, but the myco-forum where he hangs
out is not very open to discuss hallucinogenic species because of their
connection to the university versus the drug/legal situation. You get
fingers pointed at you very easily.

Other than that, I read a paper from John Allen referring to the same
document, and also he states that it probably is due to some faulty
identification - "since P. atrobrunnea is not a neurotropic species."


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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
    #18713950 - 08/16/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

From Guzmans book "The genus Psilocybe", page 304.

"Discussion: According to Leung et al. (1965) P. atrobrunnea does not have psilocin, but P. atrobrunnea reported by Høiland (1978) from Norway has psilocybin and maybe this Norway's fungus is another unknown species, because Høiland decribed spores (7.5-) 8.2-10.5 (-12.5) x 4.5-6 x 4.5-5.2 (-6( micrometer, cheilocystidia 12-25.5 x 4.5-6.7 micrometer, and pleurocystidia inconspicuous and context with strong farinaceous smell, features not belong to P. atrobrunnea. Høiland's species is close to ..."

The rest would have been nice to read, but google books doesn't allow us to read it. Can someone who owns the book fill out the missing parts please.

Doesn't that forum have a PM function or perhaps you can ask for a mail address to Mr. Høiland?

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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
    #18714004 - 08/16/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

perhaps this is the missing info. From Ott's Pharmacotheon:

"Guzmin felt that the specimen analyzed by Hoiland as Psilocybe atrobrunnea was more likely referable to P. serbica or P. callosa (Guzmin 1983), both known psilocybian species."

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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
    #18714150 - 08/16/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Uploaded one more spore print.they really dont leave too many spores....

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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Doruirimescu]
    #18714188 - 08/16/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Uploaded one more spore print.they really dont leave too many spores....




Also P. semilanceata is a challenge to print. But I read somewhere that the
best is to try print them in the same temperature as they grow, rather than room
temp. Never tried this but it doesn't seem too off the hook - I mean P. cubensis
grows in "room temperature" and prints really well indoors.


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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Anglerfish]
    #18714706 - 08/16/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Are there any photos of P. callosa? Is it synonymous with serbica?


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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus

(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus

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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Hashfinger]
    #18714777 - 08/16/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

No, its synonymous with Psilocybe strictipes

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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: knarkkorven]
    #18714801 - 08/16/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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No, its synonymous with Psilocybe strictipes



:okiapprove:


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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus

(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus

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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Hashfinger]
    #18716185 - 08/16/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Here some D.turficola that usually come up in the Fall in my area.


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Re: P.Silvatica and C.Cyanopus ID [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #18718539 - 08/17/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Here some D.turficola that usually come up in the Fall in my area.





:holyshitbubbles:


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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus

(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus

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