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Switching to a Gaming PC
#18718498 - 08/17/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've been a console gamer for pretty much my whole life, not for any particular reason, I just started on consoles and kinda stuck with them.
Anyway, There are some PC exclusive games that I would really love to play as well as games coming out in the future for PC. I've decided that instead of going for a next gen console I'm going to go ahead and get myself a nice new gaming PC.
Problem is I know jack shit about computers. Everyone I've talked to says the best thing to do is to build your own, but I don't really have the time or effort to do that.
I just don't know where to start. Are there any good websites that you guys would recommend for buying components or full computers? Do you think I could just buy all of the parts and take it to my local computer shop and pay them to put it together? Or could I just be an even lazier fuck and buy one of these and upgrade it as needed?
http://www.amazon.com/CybertronPC-GM2222D-5150-Escape-Gaming/dp/B0080NQCWY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1376759705&sr=8-2&keywords=gaming+PC
Any input would be great!
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how much are you willing to spend? You can pretty much always put together a computer by yourself cheaper than one you'll find already built. It's not hard at all to do and can actually be pretty fun
Here's one for a decent price that I thought about doing a few months ago http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Owent92/saved/1Ff7
and here is my gaming computer i want to put together if i ever have the extra cash
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Owent92/saved/19ZD
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Oldgregg]
#18718531 - 08/17/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd prefer not to go over like $1000 but cash isn't too much of an issue for me. I'm willing to pay the extra cash to get a good machine that'll last a while.
I'd just be really worried about fucking something up when putting it together. I mean shit I almost fucked up my laptop when I was trying to upgrade the RAM a while back, that's how handicap I am tech wise.
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These days Intel is generally regarded as making better processors than AMD. I have an AMD processor in my computer that I'm reasonably happy with though. An SSD for a boot/application drive is a pretty good idea for gaming, makes a difference mostly in load and boot times but it's a big difference. Assembling a computer is pretty straightforward.
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And thanks for the links
The game that I really want this PC for is this bad boy

Star Citizen This game seriously gives me a hard on
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I'm pretty computer savvy. I can link myself up to a domain and find out all the info pertaining to that site in the speed of a second. I can plug in a code into my comp to penetrate the webpage and access the hidden files on each page. Every code leads me to a new one which discards of the older one and replaces it with the one I purposely imposed for that reason. I can hijack an entire domain and change the entire thing to my liking with an edit button. I can edit the page so that the people viewing it will thing it hasn't been edited yet, but only edited by the proportion of how that edit subtracted the version of editing executed in dimension of that domain. Then there is talk about the servers which must be kept running throughout the day. I have a wireless broadcaster in my room that monitors the activity of every movement I make online, so I can go back over what I did that day & see where I spent most of my time.
The monitor will remove the sites which haven't been used in awhile and they will be placed in the recycle bin. The files cannot be accessed without me putting in my password to allow them to be viewed, the security behind the system is top notch and most people won't be able to crac kthe code to get into the system unless they had some hackers manual to go by. You can update the server with the click of a button and then have it linked bakc into the main one where it can feed the other servers into its drive. Sometimes the server will go completely down and you won't be able to access any of the websites online til they are brought back up by the admins.
The servers all run on different speeds and you can sometimes put yourself into a speedtrack and test how fast one server processes compared to a different one. Once you have processed the data of that servers speed you will be able to distinguish between one server and another. These servers will remind us that the internet does compose a technical world which imposes molecular transitions which direct the nuclear atom to a version of the high gnome, and we might say that by declaring the atom an essential part of the whole system we can see that it builds o nthe same flesh.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
#18718549 - 08/17/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/400554336667
i would buy this with a 3year warranty for 120 extra
the wattage is good, the graphics are midrange, the CPU will handle big game multiplyer and physics
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
#18718554 - 08/17/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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and they install everything if you get that package of windows 7
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
#18718561 - 08/17/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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all you need is a tv,speakers and keyboard too hook it up to
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: drkkenny] 2
#18718562 - 08/17/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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drkkenny said: I'm pretty computer savvy. I can link myself up to a domain and find out all the info pertaining to that site in the speed of a second. I can plug in a code into my comp to penetrate the webpage and access the hidden files on each page. Every code leads me to a new one which discards of the older one and replaces it with the one I purposely imposed for that reason. I can hijack an entire domain and change the entire thing to my liking with an edit button. I can edit the page so that the people viewing it will thing it hasn't been edited yet, but only edited by the proportion of how that edit subtracted the version of editing executed in dimension of that domain. Then there is talk about the servers which must be kept running throughout the day. I have a wireless broadcaster in my room that monitors the activity of every movement I make online, so I can go back over what I did that day & see where I spent most of my time.
The monitor will remove the sites which haven't been used in awhile and they will be placed in the recycle bin. The files cannot be accessed without me putting in my password to allow them to be viewed, the security behind the system is top notch and most people won't be able to crac kthe code to get into the system unless they had some hackers manual to go by. You can update the server with the click of a button and then have it linked bakc into the main one where it can feed the other servers into its drive. Sometimes the server will go completely down and you won't be able to access any of the websites online til they are brought back up by the admins.
The servers all run on different speeds and you can sometimes put yourself into a speedtrack and test how fast one server processes compared to a different one. Once you have processed the data of that servers speed you will be able to distinguish between one server and another. These servers will remind us that the internet does compose a technical world which imposes molecular transitions which direct the nuclear atom to a version of the high gnome, and we might say that by declaring the atom an essential part of the whole system we can see that it builds o nthe same flesh.
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kenny are you high right now or something?
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
#18718569 - 08/17/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: http://www.ebay.com/itm/400554336667
i would buy this with a 3year warranty for 120 extra
the wattage is good, the graphics are midrange, the CPU will handle big game multiplyer and physics
Nice! Thanks, I'm definitely going to consider that. Sounds like what I'm looking for.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
#18718571 - 08/17/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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you might want a hardrive because theyre better for saving constantly and never run out
i dont know how having both works but id assume theyed put th OS on the SSD for you
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newegg, if you are going to spend 1g, you can build a REAL nice rig.
It's not very time consuming, you just gotta buy the parts, wait for them to come in the mail, then fit everything together like legos.
Use anti-static pads and a grounding bracelet, too. You don't want to fry a 300$ graphics card because you were all statically charged from your carpet.
Once, you have the parts, it will take a few hours to put it together, manage your cables and stuff.
I usually order stuff off newegg, and if there is a part they don't have, I'll buy it off amazon or do a google search to see if I can find it cheaper. I choose newegg because they have really good customer service, which is pretty important when you are dealing with equipment that expensive and something shits out or shows up defective.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
#18718584 - 08/17/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah intel CPU's are definantly good, even if game makers start concentrating on AMD, the intel is already way ahead of the curb and has enough extra room for a heavy operating system like windows.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
#18718585 - 08/17/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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psi said:

kenny are you high right now or something?
Look at his post history.. That's just what he does. I guess he thinks it's funny?
As for the topic, I use Newegg for my PC related stuff and they've never let me down. Shouldn't be intimidated by building a PC.. A tower is quite a bit easier to work on than a laptop. It's really just plugging tab a into slot a, tab b into slot b. The hardest thing you'd really have to do is apply thermal compound to the processor, and even that's relatively idiot proof if you just watch a Youtube video or two.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
#18718589 - 08/17/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah I just returned from London. My brother is a merchant there that transports elegant antiques for the rich here. I wa skind of upset that I went to London on such a short notice because I forgot I had guests coming over to my house today. I suppose I will have to apologize for the inconvenience once I get back home. Though I'm not high there is a joke going around that I purposely planted a water pistol on a chair a guest was going to sit on later, which could correlate to someone thinking I'm high.
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i have been trying to do this a while now as you can get xbox playstation and pc only games all on pc they dont charge bullshit xbox live charges and you can use it for so much more the new gaming systems suck compared to building a pc i hope they both fail horribly and people wake up to pc's. also you already have been able to use pad's and stuff way better than stupid wii's do fuck all the game companies off with their heads!!!!!
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomslip]
#18718602 - 08/17/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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One noob mistake I made when putting my computer together was not realizing that the thermal compound was already on the heat sink (or CPU, I forget which) and setting it down on something so that some of it came off. As a result I have had some overheating problems but I haven't got around to fixing them.
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MisterSandman said: And thanks for the links
The game that I really want this PC for is this bad boy

Star Citizen This game seriously gives me a hard on
Quote:
MisterSandman said: And thanks for the links
The game that I really want this PC for is this bad boy

Star Citizen This game seriously gives me a hard on
That game does look awesome, but i thought it was still a few years away?
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: ganjfather]
#18718608 - 08/17/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ganjfather said: newegg, if you are going to spend 1g, you can build a REAL nice rig.
It's not very time consuming, you just gotta buy the parts, wait for them to come in the mail, then fit everything together like legos.
Use anti-static pads and a grounding bracelet, too. You don't want to fry a 300$ graphics card because you were all statically charged from your carpet.
Once, you have the parts, it will take a few hours to put it together, manage your cables and stuff.
I usually order stuff off newegg, and if there is a part they don't have, I'll buy it off amazon or do a google search to see if I can find it cheaper. I choose newegg because they have really good customer service, which is pretty important when you are dealing with equipment that expensive and something shits out or shows up defective.
Welcome to the REAL world of gaming 
Awesome, I'll definitely check out this newegg site. Thanks dude!
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
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You don't even need to install thermal past though, that powerful i5 cpu I posted uses 64watts and has more then enough speed, if something isn't fast already that's because it's using dated programming code to run
I mean they do have the turbo setting, if you want to do that but I don't see the point in all that extra work for over clocking now adays, plus look at this review
All system components are brand new. All drivers and manuals are included. Every system is assembled, tested, and professionally packaged before leaving our warehouse. If you ordered operating system (Windows) it will be installed and configured with all drivers.
Components Compatibility
All system components will be compatible to each other. In the unlikely event that the item you selected is not compatible to other system components we contact you before system is assembled to offer a compatible substitution.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Oldgregg]
#18718616 - 08/17/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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MisterSandman said: And thanks for the links
The game that I really want this PC for is this bad boy

Star Citizen This game seriously gives me a hard on
That game does look awesome, but i thought it was still a few years away?
Well the alpha is actually coming out pretty soon, and then the beta will be out like mid 2014. The beta will basically be more or less the full game from what I've read.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
#18718622 - 08/17/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The guy who mentioned the PC with the warranty and slightly higher price tag, that is your best bet.
If you know "jack shit" but have an interest, and have at least used a computer to a degree, you can probably figure it out and enjoy working with computers.
However I don't urge people to NOT do it all yourself but I suggest someone like you will have a bit more fun with something to start with, maybe you can start with video card upgrades, understand more about it as a whole, and work from there.
In the meantime though you can have some fun, but some people should just buy a reasonable computer all assembled and maybe change things from there when comfortable.
Congrats on stepping up to PC gaming tho
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It's nice to know, but I would find a way to fuck it up, that's why I would pay someone to do it.
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if you dont want to build your own, research what you would like, and then purchase something close to it on craigslist, or ebay. craigslist is usually better. There are always people who are selling a good rig for under cost, and if you have just a little patience, you will probably find something as good or better than what you originally wanted, for less than you intended to pay.
I purchased my comp off a craigslist ad for $650 or something? it was a good deal and nearly a year later I am really happy with the purchase. I know I could sell the thing for exactly what I paid.
games to buy when you get your comp: chivalry medieval warfare. best fps ever made, maybe only eclipsed by counter strike.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
#18718741 - 08/17/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once a computers thermal compounds increase due to keeping it on too often. If you don't bother to shut it off before you go to sleep it will probably overheat. Once I left it on for 72 hours without anything strange happening, it was just running along its system while I lied on the bed. My mother then told me I had someone standing outside my door. I unfortunately told her I couldn't speak at the time because I was going over something in my head. This something later turned out to be what I was planning to do for my computer. I later just unplugged it completely and it was dead again.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: drkkenny]
#18718843 - 08/17/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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how do you guys feel about those build your own computer companies?
where you pick the parts, they put it together and send it to you
http://www.ibuypower.com/IbpPages/IntelLobby.aspx?gclid=CL-Yj_KXhbkCFa9fQgoddlkA1w
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/landingpages/intel/i7/?gclid=CIbR8_OXhbkCFTFgQgodPhcAhA
im guessing its not as cheap as building it yourself
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Yeah companies that allow you to build your own compute rare great. I know my uncle used to work in the company, they gave him a job a year ago. He took over the place of this old guy who just got out of Vietnam a year earlier. You are considering that they are more expensive than they really are, most computers online usually are a little more expensive compared to the ones in stores, but its much more convenient to order it online to get it without having to get yourself up to go to the store. I usually will ask my mother to run the errand for me if I have to go to the store, mainly because Id rather lay back and not bother with going places.
I bought a new computer 3 years ago from a website. It was a decision I knew I had to make, for I was inclined to think that my older one needed a new model to take its place. The website is relatively easy and thus is accessible to each and every person on the planet Earth. You can go onto the site to check out the options they have outlined for you on the front page, the front page is decorated with computer models which are ready to be sold. The prices range from 1000-9900 dollars so please be sure to have your credit card prepared to use it to order it. Once you go to the site they will lead you to a page where you may customize your computer to whatever adjustments most suit you, after you are there you will find you have many different hardwares you may choose from. The time it takes to get onto the page and place your order doesn't take very long, so don't worry about the possibility of it taking longer than you originally expected.
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Places like Ibuypower and Digital Storm are good options for people that want a "High end gaming computer", but don't necessarily want to spend the time piecing everything together themselves from scratch, making sure parts are compatible etc.. but you DO pay a higher premium than you would if you just built it yourself.
ALSO be VERY careful you know exactly what warranties you are getting. A lot of times, those prebuild companies will use inferior warranty cards (1 year warranty instead of 3 year or lifetime). SO make sure you are thoroughly reading the details and fine print. (Source: I work tech support/CS for a major GPU company.) It hurts me when I see someone with like a GTX 580 or 680 with a 1-year warranty. ONLY those prebuild companies can even sell the 1-year warranty cards, they get them for a discount, and they can offer you their own extended warranties through them. But that is not a warranty through the manufacturer of the product.
It's almost always better and more satisfying to build a PC yourself, from scratch. I could train a monkey to do it. I walk retarded 14 year old kids and 80 year old geezers through it over the phone.
For 1k -1500 right now you can build a bitching ass Intel-based gaming system from scratch. Let me know if you need some help picking stuff out OP. And newegg is the place to go fo sho.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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It's almost always better and more satisfying to build a PC yourself, from scratch. I could train a monkey to do it. I walk retarded 14 year old kids and 80 year old geezers through it over the phone.
For 1k -1500 right now you can build a bitching ass Intel-based gaming system from scratch. Let me know if you need some help picking stuff out OP. And newegg is the place to go fo sho.
That is way more than most people need.
It's really depending how much the op cares, but it isn't always as easy as people like me think it is, have him pick stuff out, if he is confident enough to build it after a few youtube videos, have at it, otherwise, find an alternate route if he feels he will destroy something.
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Well hopefully OP isn't going to download stupid shit on it and he'll actually get a decade out of his system.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
#18719303 - 08/17/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can build a computer for way cheaper than ones put together for you. I wish I had done that when I got my current computer.. An HP Pavilion with 6GB DD3 and 2.1 GHZ, it was 700 at the time.. 1 Year warranty, 1 day after the warranty ended the soundboard died, and it's built into the motherboard. Fucking bullshit.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
#18719309 - 08/17/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: Well hopefully OP isn't going to download stupid shit on it and he'll actually get a decade out of his system.
Why would downloading stupid shit prevent him from using the computer for a long time?
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
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aiyobro said: Well hopefully OP isn't going to download stupid shit on it and he'll actually get a decade out of his system.
No this will be pretty much exclusively for gaming. I download all the stupid crap on this nice little netbook here
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18719359 - 08/17/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: It's almost always better and more satisfying to build a PC yourself, from scratch. I could train a monkey to do it. I walk retarded 14 year old kids and 80 year old geezers through it over the phone.
For 1k -1500 right now you can build a bitching ass Intel-based gaming system from scratch. Let me know if you need some help picking stuff out OP. And newegg is the place to go fo sho.
I dunno man I'm pretty retarded. In all seriousness though, I'm sure I could figure it out if I put my mind to it. I have to think about it, I'll definitely shoot you a PM if I need some help.
Thanks to everyone for all the great input by the way!
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It's almost always better and more satisfying to build a PC yourself, from scratch. I could train a monkey to do it. I walk retarded 14 year old kids and 80 year old geezers through it over the phone.
For 1k -1500 right now you can build a bitching ass Intel-based gaming system from scratch. Let me know if you need some help picking stuff out OP. And newegg is the place to go fo sho.
That is way more than most people need.
Not really. He wants a gaming PC. I said for 1k-1.5k you can build a BITCHING ASS INTEL-BASED Gaming PC. (That will last for years and years and be upgradeable when needed) Yes you can do it for cheaper. But I help people build these things ALL THE TIME and that is about the average MOST people spend. You can go cheaper or more expensive, but that's about the average for a GOOD gaming build.
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I dunno man I'm pretty retarded. In all seriousness though, I'm sure I could figure it out if I put my mind to it. I have to think about it, I'll definitely shoot you a PM if I need some help.
Thanks to everyone for all the great input by the way!
Here. I'll throw together a quick build as an example (using the latest tech, that's a good bang for your buck)
Z87 mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128591 - $135 (could get a different one, I just grabbed the first decent / cheapish one I saw) i5-4670K - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899 - $240 H100i cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181032 - $110 PC Power and Cooling 750W - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703038 - $140 Corsair Vengeance 8GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233524 - $86 Corsair 500R case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139009 - $115 Samsung 120GB SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 - $110 WD 1TB HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 - $90 GTX 760 4gb - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130949 - $315
Total - 1341.
So actually went a bit over 1k.
Grab a monitor, keyboard/mouse, crack Windows and you are pretty much golden 
You can of course substitute some of those parts, but I picked all the top quality stuff that is relatively cheap (except the motherboard, I'm not too sure about)
But, I just threw that together in 5 minutes, it's all the latest technology and the highest quality components without breaking the bank too bad.
If I were building a gaming system for myself right now, these are pretty much the components I would use. I might get a different mobo, or look into another PSU (Seasonic), but that's pretty much what I would use for my build. Something like that will last for years and give you plenty of options for upgrading in the future. And will destroy any modern or near future games.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18719499 - 08/17/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not really. He wants a gaming PC. I said for 1k-1.5k that is about the average MOST people spend. You can go cheaper or more expensive, but that's about the average for a GOOD gaming build.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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I dunno man I'm pretty retarded. In all seriousness though, I'm sure I could figure it out if I put my mind to it. I have to think about it, I'll definitely shoot you a PM if I need some help.
Thanks to everyone for all the great input by the way!
Here. I'll throw together a quick build as an example (using the latest tech, that's a good bang for your buck)
Z87 mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128591 (could get a different one, I just grabbed the first decent / cheapish one I saw) i5-4670K - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899 H100i cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 PC Power and Cooling 750W - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703038 Corsair Vengeance 8GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233524 Corsair 500R case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139009 Samsung 120GB SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 WD 1TB HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 GTX 760 4gb - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130949
Grab a monitor, keyboard/mouse, crack Windows and you are pretty much golden 
You can of course substitute some of those parts, but I picked all the top quality stuff that is relatively cheap (except the motherboard, I'm not too sure about)
But, I just threw that together in 5 minutes, it's all the latest technology and the highest quality components without breaking the bank too bad.
If I were building a gaming system for myself right now, these are pretty much the components I would use. I might get a different mobo, or look into another PSU (Seasonic), but that's pretty much what I would use for my build. Something like that will last for years and give you plenty of options for upgrading in the future. And will destroy any modern or near future games.
You the man
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Woops sorry, wrong cooler link
For the Corsair H100i - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181032
self contained Water cooling for the masses without having to mess with all the hoses and pumps and stuff
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Boutang]
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Not really. He wants a gaming PC. I said for 1k-1.5k that is about the average MOST people spend. You can go cheaper or more expensive, but that's about the average for a GOOD gaming build.

I think that as an average for gaming builds, even GOOD gaming builds, I don't see 1000 even for everything as Average, a lot of really killer builds can be done with AMD, which I prefer, and not hit that, but even Intel builds especially for someone just starting to get their feet wet shouldn't go near that price point.
I never have, but my goal is to not really have a set budget, just build the most robust solid build I can for what I feel I can afford.
I also don't really start from scratch very often and can't really put a price point on what I do but I plan to just use mine until something else comes along and blows my mind
also it would allow you to get a much better video card which is crucial for gaming.
Maybe start with a lower level one though, and then in a couple of years upgrade to something really awesome and use that as a Physx processor
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A thousand dollars really isn't an exorbitant sum of money to drop on nearly any hobby, and it is perfectly average for a good gaming PC. Maybe if you're flipping burgers that might be well out of the ballpark for you, but if that's the case, your priorities should be reconsidered.
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I think that as an average for gaming builds, even GOOD gaming builds, I don't see 1000 even for everything as Average, a lot of really killer builds can be done with AMD, which I prefer, and not hit that, but even Intel builds especially for someone just starting to get their feet wet shouldn't go near that price point.
I never have, but my goal is to not really have a set budget, just build the most robust solid build I can for what I feel I can afford.
I also don't really start from scratch very often and can't really put a price point on what I do but I plan to just use mine until something else comes along and blows my mind
Can I interest you in this?
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There's fun to be had at all price points really. Today's $1000 computer will eventually be worth a small fraction of that, but it will still play the same games it plays now. If you're on a budget then you can play older stuff on older hardware, same with consoles.
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Like I said, I do this for a living and help people build gaming rigs all the time. Every day. For the past 4 years. $1000 is about average. I see people spending $2,500+ on extreme builds. But that's not for the average gamer.
Yes AMD CPUs are cheaper. But Intel CPUs also run circles around them currently. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Spend the $50 more and get a CPU that will run circles around the equivalent AMD chip
I don't recommend starting out with a low end video card for gaming and then upgrading later, that's just silly. That's why I recommended a 760Ti - Best bang for your buck right now. A good mid level card. It won't break the bank (not a $700+ top level video card)... but it's still REALLY good performance and will handle any modern game. There's really no point buying some low end card that you are going to want to upgrade in a month. If you are spending the money to build a decent gaming rig, you don't skimp on the PSU or the GPU or CPU. That's just my experience, helping people do this for a living, every day. People that skimp on critical components in their gaming build almost always regret it later on.
Now if you want to upgrade the 760Ti to whatever flagship card comes out a year or two from now (880 6GB or whatever the fuck... have at it).
But you don't start with a $50 GT 520 video card that will barely handle any game.
Also you don't really need a dedicated PhysX GPU these days. Only some games even support PhysX, and modern cards are MORE than capable of handling all the PhysX processing themselves. In almost every case, you are better off going with 2 of the same cards for SLI, rather than 1 high end card and low end PhysX GPU.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
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Damn, don't get that magnetic shit anywhere near your harddrive.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism] 1
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People who buy mediocre upgrades for anything invariably regret it down the road. If you're going to commit to building something high-quality for yourself, spend the money and do the research to do it right the first time.
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sVs said: People who buy mediocre upgrades for anything invariably regret it down the road. If you're going to commit to building something high-quality for yourself, spend the money and do the research to do it right the first time.
Computers depreciate so quickly anyway though. Whatever your price point is today, spending the same amount in 5 years will get you something that blows the last one out of the water. Spending more money mostly just means you're getting the newest tech sooner (aside from things like PSUs where cheap always means shit quality.) If there is no pressing need to get that performance now rather than later, it makes economic sense to spend less. If I buy a playstation 2 today for $40 at the pawnshop, am I going to regret not buying it at launch when it was $300? It's the same machine now that it was then, and the games play the same as when they were pricy new technology.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
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Comparing Playstation to a PC is disingenuous due to the nature of the two, but I understand where you're coming from. It's simply a better long-term investment to purchase higher-quality, better-performing components for both longevity and median performance. Either way, you'll unavoidably be spending money on upgrades down the road. That's not exclusive to computers by any means.
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That's the thing, it's not really an investment at all if your main use for the machine is entertainment (as opposed to say buying a computer for pro video work or something where time saved is money earned.) It does make economic sense not to skimp too much where it affects quality (e.g. the PSU), but paying more for better performance now is a different story. The same exact components will be cheaper in a year or two, and build quality and performance will be identical then. Waiting it out makes no difference in performance but a big difference in price.
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Honestly with the ram and cpu the way it's set up the only things that will be getting cheaper that even matter are graphics cards and that's still like 5 years down the line, PCI 3.0 works with 2.0 and they aren't even doing anything that PCI 2.0 can't emulate, no one is going to utilize anymore resources then what's currently available this gen. unless you're the one producing the software and media, otherwise we're just talking power consumption and heat.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
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It's what like 2013 and the last game to utilize a full card was tomb raider on the ps3? LOL
Unless you're spectating higher resolutions don't mean shit.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
#18720420 - 08/17/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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sVs said: People who buy mediocre upgrades for anything invariably regret it down the road. If you're going to commit to building something high-quality for yourself, spend the money and do the research to do it right the first time.
Computers depreciate so quickly anyway though. Whatever your price point is today, spending the same amount in 5 years will get you something that blows the last one out of the water. Spending more money mostly just means you're getting the newest tech sooner (aside from things like PSUs where cheap always means shit quality.) If there is no pressing need to get that performance now rather than later, it makes economic sense to spend less. If I buy a playstation 2 today for $40 at the pawnshop, am I going to regret not buying it at launch when it was $300? It's the same machine now that it was then, and the games play the same as when they were pricy new technology.
This is THE catch-22 of computer technology.
1. You can pay top dollar for the latest technology, when it is brand new. You WILL pay out the ass for it. That's just the nature of being an early adopter. 2. Or you can wait, and buy "last generation" technology, a year or three later at a fraction of the cost. 3. OR You can buy "upper mid-range" current stuff now, and still save money, but have the "latest and greatest tech", but just not the "highest end, bleeding edge" stuff.
Of course 5 year old technology is going to be way cheaper. But in PC terms, 5 years is a freaking lifetime. The performance of GPUs / CPUs and motherboards now compared to 5 years ago, is LIGHT YEARS ahead. Technology progresses that fast. What is the best of the best today, will be "Meh" a year from now.
But for modern games, he DOES need the performance now. I would definitely NOT recommend getting a 5year old mobo/GPU to play the most current games and the games coming out in the near future.
Which is why MY chosen path is usually going with the upper-mid range of current tech. OR getting the high end stuff from the "last generation", when the new stuff comes out and that stuff gets way cheaper. You can still get REALLY good performance of modern tech, without spending metric shittons of money.
I don't buy the highest end hardware right when it first comes out. Only people that wipe their ass with money do that generally.
To use your analogy. Yes you could buy a PS3 at the pawnshop for $40 now. But how is that going to help you when your goal is to play the latest PS4 games?
With PCs... components will ALWAYS get cheaper over time. So you can sit there and watch every single generation pass you by.. as you wait to get the cheapest thing. But then if you buy that, something better will come around and might be even cheaper. So you can wait FOREVER, or just buy something now.
I talk to people like this all the time. They can never make up their mind. Oh I'll just wait until the 600 series comes out, then pick up a 500 series for half price. Then the 600 series comes out, and they want that.. but I'll wait till the 700 series comes out, and get a 600 series for half price.... and on and on.. I also see the exact opposite of the spectrum, when someone buys the latest and greatest video card in the world, and then gets upset when something else comes out a month later with better performance, and their video card drops in price. That's just the nature of it.
Be happy with what you have, buy what you need and can afford now.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18720471 - 08/17/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: To use your analogy. Yes you could buy a PS3 at the pawnshop for $40 now. But how is that going to help you when your goal is to play the latest PS4 games?
It's not, assuming that is your goal. Personally I don't care much about how much time has passed since a game came out when I play it, but that's just me. I suppose it's more of an issue with online gaming since fewer people play the older stuff. On the PC I tend to play pirated games so online is a non-issue.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
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Yeah, if we are talking about playing games from 2005.. then whatever.
But most people I talk to these days wanting to build gaming PCs, are thinking about playing the latest games like BF3 and Crysis4 at maxed out settings on 1440p monitors and shit. The 8800GTX from 2008 is not going to cut the mustard.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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No, but the new computer that can do that today will be dirt cheap a little ways down the road.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
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Right... but by then... Crysis9 or whatever will be out, and then that computer will barely be able to run it without upgrading the GPU or whatever :P
And then that means waiting, when you want to play those games right now.
Which is what I was trying to explain in my earlier post. You can ALWAYS wait and get today's technology at a fraction of the price a year or two down the line. So you have to find a middle ground somewhere, or you will ALWAYS be waiting because "oh.. well I can just get this cheaper 6 months from now". I seriously talk to people that do this for YEARS... it's hilarious.
So if OP wants to play the latest games, he's going to want at least some modern tech. He doesn't necessarily HAVE to get a 700 series GPU, but then again... there's no point to get anything else. the last generation.. a 660Ti is LESS performance at about the same price. A mid range 500 series card would be a bit cheaper, but then it might not offer the performance he's looking for. So I'd go with the 'upper-mid range' of current tech, at the best bang for the buck.
If all he wants to play is MYST and Starcraft Brood wars, then get whatever, but I doubt that's the case
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Get a grip, that is in no way average, you clearly don't know much about PCs let alone gaming on the PC
Even if you are flipping burgers you are likely prioritizing the wrong things if an average build is at that range for you.
You also need to set up an SSD a normal sized 128 to do caching, not just the operating system.
600 to 800 is probably average, for building it yourself at least. Look at what is selling out there, you will notice what is average is below 1.000, maybe a bit more depending on certain factors.
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You are talking about prebuilt PCs. Which use shit components and take shortcuts. We are talking about Custom builds, with high quality components.
Dude I do this for a living. 1000 is average. And actually on the lower end. I help hundreds of people per month.
Yeah you can put some POS $20 Dynex PSU in your system and save a few bucks, but don't bitch at me when it catches on fire and fries the rest of your components. Everything I recommended to OP is HIGH QUALITY stuff. I recommended a PC P&C or Seasonic PSU as they are the best and most reliable in the industry. You pay a little bit more. But I would MUCH rather pay a little bit more, for the highest quality. (NOTE: There is a different between HIGH QUALITY and 'Top of the Line" in performance") I am talking about overall QUALITY of the product.
Also SSD as an OS/game drive is pretty much defacto standard for any decent gaming build nowadays. Generally OS and a few games on the SSD, and everything else on a larger 1TB or whatever mechanical HDD. Until SSDs become DIRT cheap, then that's usually how most people will do it. It's actually kind of dumb to build a high-end gaming/production/whatever system, and NOT have an SSD, as that mechanical will then be your bottleneck.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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i have 1300-1500$ to spend. what kind of specs can that buy me?
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Look at the specs I linked to OP in an earlier post. That's a good foundation to start with. I didn't even calculate the total for that actually. Too lazy atm (and at work :P )
But with a few hundreds extra to spend, it depends what you want. Generally, if all other things are equal... I'd use the extra money for a bit higher end graphics card... maybe 16GB or 32GB of RAM, maybe a bigger SSD or a real nice monitor. It really depends what you are after
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: Right... but by then... Crysis9 or whatever will be out, and then that computer will barely be able to run it without upgrading the GPU or whatever :P
And then that means waiting, when you want to play those games right now.
Some people just don't really give a shit about that latest and greatest aspect though. There are tons of computer games from all eras that I haven't played yet, and I'm sure a lot of them are good. The same goes for console games. My computer can play some pretty new games but that's not the primary reason I upgraded.
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Which is what I was trying to explain in my earlier post. You can ALWAYS wait and get today's technology at a fraction of the price a year or two down the line. So you have to find a middle ground somewhere, or you will ALWAYS be waiting because "oh.. well I can just get this cheaper 6 months from now". I seriously talk to people that do this for YEARS... it's hilarious.
Yes, that does sound silly. I usually just budget a certain amount that I'm willing to pay for a certain type of component, and pull the trigger whenever that amount will buy a big performance increase (or sometimes when the last one fails.) For CPU and motherboard that's usually something like $300 every 5 years.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
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That sounds about right for most people CPU/mobo upgrades are generally every 5 years or so and GPU upgrades are somewhere around 3 years it seems
My general rule of thumb is, I don't upgrade unless I am jumping up at least 2-3 "Tiers" or generations in performance. Like I'm running a 560Ti right now, I'll probably upgrade when the 800 series comes out.
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Shroomism said: You are talking about prebuilt PCs. Which use shit components and take shortcuts. We are talking about Custom builds, with high quality components.
Dude I do this for a living. 1000 is average. And actually on the lower end. I help hundreds of people per month.
Yeah you can put some POS $20 Dynex PSU in your system and save a few bucks, but don't bitch at me when it catches on fire and fries the rest of your components. Everything I recommended to OP is HIGH QUALITY stuff. I recommended a PC P&C or Seasonic PSU as they are the best and most reliable in the industry. You pay a little bit more. But I would MUCH rather pay a little bit more, for the highest quality. (NOTE: There is a different between HIGH QUALITY and 'Top of the Line" in performance") I am talking about overall QUALITY of the product.
Also SSD as an OS/game drive is pretty much defacto standard for any decent gaming build nowadays. Generally OS and a few games on the SSD, and everything else on a larger 1TB or whatever mechanical HDD. Until SSDs become DIRT cheap, then that's usually how most people will do it. It's actually kind of dumb to build a high-end gaming/production/whatever system, and NOT have an SSD, as that mechanical will then be your bottleneck.
You really assume too much, and no one is even saying don't have an SSD, but that is still not going to set you up to 1,000 and I have never gone with a cheap PSU for a build, it's easily a stupid mistake, but good ones don't have to cost an arm and a leg, and that price point you could still do better than what you have.
If you aren't doing SSD caching you are completely wasting space on one of those things. This essentially speeds up everything and makes your regular hard drive stuff run faster.
putting games on the SSD isn't going to do much, not compared to just setting the operating system and caching the rest
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you can buy a computer capable of playing any game out there today on max settings with that kind of startup.
put it all into the rig. buy a 22-24" flatscreen monitor off craigslist for $75, semi-decent mouse +keyboard+speakers for $25.
that leaves 12-1400$ on your rig. i could create a beast of a machine with that kind of money.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: ManianFH]
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you can buy a computer capable of playing any game out there today on max settings with that kind of startup.
put it all into the rig. buy a 22-24" flatscreen monitor off craigslist for $75, semi-decent mouse +keyboard+speakers for $25.
that leaves 12-1400$ on your rig. i could create a beast of a machine with that kind of money.
i already have a mouse/keyboard/moniter. The money is just for the computer itself of course
i was kind of thinking about upgrading though. just was wondering if 1300-1500 would buy me top of the line stuff. Right now i am using a laptop with AMD Athlon Dual-Core QL-62, 2.8 GB ram, GeForce 8200M G (shit card i know)(actually, pretty shit laptop in general)
back 5 or 10 years ago, i know this amount of money would buy all top of the line stuff. just wondering if it still will today.
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MilkdudTitties said: i already have a mouse/keyboard/moniter. The money is just for the computer itself of course
i was kind of thinking about upgrading though. just was wondering if 1300-1500 would buy me top of the line stuff. Right now i am using a laptop with AMD Athlon Dual-Core QL-62, 2.8 GB ram, GeForce 8200M G (shit card i know)(actually, pretty shit laptop in general)
back 5 or 10 years ago, i know this amount of money would buy all top of the line stuff. just wondering if it still will today.
Not TOP TOP of the line. But yeah if you have 1300-1500 to spend on the computer alone, you can build a pretty fucking bitching system that will DOMINATE any modern game. I can help you pick out some specs a bit later when I get home. But yeah do you have a 1080p monitor at least?
I mean if you want TOP of the line... you can spend $1900 on a CPU alone. $1000 on a single GPU. But that's for crazy/rich people.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Niffla]
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And then I'm gonna go home and get my 5 AM drank on.

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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Niffla]
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Shroomism said: You are talking about prebuilt PCs. Which use shit components and take shortcuts. We are talking about Custom builds, with high quality components.
Dude I do this for a living. 1000 is average. And actually on the lower end. I help hundreds of people per month.
Yeah you can put some POS $20 Dynex PSU in your system and save a few bucks, but don't bitch at me when it catches on fire and fries the rest of your components. Everything I recommended to OP is HIGH QUALITY stuff. I recommended a PC P&C or Seasonic PSU as they are the best and most reliable in the industry. You pay a little bit more. But I would MUCH rather pay a little bit more, for the highest quality. (NOTE: There is a different between HIGH QUALITY and 'Top of the Line" in performance") I am talking about overall QUALITY of the product.
Also SSD as an OS/game drive is pretty much defacto standard for any decent gaming build nowadays. Generally OS and a few games on the SSD, and everything else on a larger 1TB or whatever mechanical HDD. Until SSDs become DIRT cheap, then that's usually how most people will do it. It's actually kind of dumb to build a high-end gaming/production/whatever system, and NOT have an SSD, as that mechanical will then be your bottleneck.
You really assume too much, and no one is even saying don't have an SSD, but that is still not going to set you up to 1,000 and I have never gone with a cheap PSU for a build, it's easily a stupid mistake, but good ones don't have to cost an arm and a leg, and that price point you could still do better than what you have.
If you aren't doing SSD caching you are completely wasting space on one of those things. This essentially speeds up everything and makes your regular hard drive stuff run faster.
putting games on the SSD isn't going to do much, not compared to just setting the operating system and caching the rest
Ok then I'm completely wrong and have no idea what I'm talking about after 15+ years building custom PCs and 4+ years in tech support in the GPU/mobo hardware and gaming industry. Please build me a system that has the highest quality components and better specs then what I posted earlier that is cheaper. Thanks in advance.
No but really. If you aren't doing SSD caching you are wasting your SSD? That's ridiculous. I don't assume. I go based off years of experience and what 95% of gamers and overclockers are doing. Like I've said multiple times. You can spend less. You can cut corners. You can buy cheaper components if you want.
But on the average, most GOOD gaming builds from scratch with good modern components, costs about 1k+.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Niffla]
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And then I'm gonna go home and get my 5 AM drank on.

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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: ganjfather]
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
#18721077 - 08/17/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's a couple custom gaming builds I've done for people in the last year or two:





Custom watercooling adds a bit of cost. I'm not even factoring watercooling into the 1k price, because most people go air. But the cheapest one there (green tubes) was around 900 before the watercooling. Course they could have gone cheaper instead of buying a $500 GPU. But like I said... averages. The big one at top cost around 5-6k.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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Fuck yeah Star Citizen! That game actually made me start a PC build. I bought the case, MOBO, and PSU off a member here for a good deal but I haven't had the money to finish the build. Some day I probably will though. That game is so fucking cool! Good luck with whatever path you choose. I can link you to my thread where people were walking me through my PC build if that would help.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism no doubt you know your stuff, hell, you even helped me a bit once, but I gotta say, $800 is fine for a gaming pc, for OP...
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Synthe]
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Yeah, I've said it multiple times. You can build something for 800 no doubt. Probably with an AMD CPU and GPU too. But I'm an Intel/Nvidia guy.
I'm just quoting numbers I see every freaking day. 1k is actually lowballing it. 1200-1300 is actually more like what most people will put into a mid-high end gaming build.
You could take the specs I posted earlier, get some cheap PSU, downgrade the card or get an Radeon card, downgrade the CPU or get an AMD CPU, get a cheaper case, cheaper RAM, and shave a few hundred off the price. But I like to recommend quality components that I know are top quality And OP said he wanted something quality to last.
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MilkdudTitties said: i have 1300-1500$ to spend. what kind of specs can that buy me?
I actually just priced out the specs I listed earlier, and it came out a bit over 1k.. right at your budget:
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Z87 mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128591 - $135 (could get a different one, I just grabbed the first decent / cheapish one I saw) i5-4670K - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899 - $240 H100i cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181032 - $110 PC Power and Cooling 750W - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703038 - $140 Corsair Vengeance 8GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233524 - $86 Corsair 500R case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139009 - $115 Samsung 120GB SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 - $110 WD 1TB HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 - $90 GTX 760 4gb - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130949 - $315
Total - 1341.
Actually if this were my build I'd go with 16GB of RAM to start with, just because I like to disable the paging file and that 16GB definitely comes in handy for multitasking or vid editing.
Too bad it's not 6-8 months ago when RAM was dirt fucking cheap. I picked up 16GB of G.Skill 1866MHz for like $60. It's practically tripled in price now.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: Too bad it's not 6-8 months ago when RAM was dirt fucking cheap. I picked up 16GB of G.Skill 1866MHz for like $60. It's practically tripled in price now.
Damn, what's up with that?
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Synthe]
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Synthe said: Shroomism no doubt you know your stuff, hell, you even helped me a bit once, but I gotta say, $800 is fine for a gaming pc, for OP...
Yes, with AMD AND Nvidia cards, anyone who just decides they need Intel with Nvidia isn't really paying attention.
I can't say for sure but most of the times I see 800 at least for starters, but at the very least get better components like a graphics card, and what not because you could very well just the fastest AMD CPU on the market and it will indeed run circles around Intel at whatever price point that is. Plus, you can get a super nice AMD board as well.
I haven't seen Memory go up AT ALL, just down. 100 bucks where spent on my 4 gigs, for the time it was built, I will always buy better memory kits so the fact is 8 is enough for most video editing and what not, 16 is just not ever going to be necessary until well after DDR4 comes out.
Like I said, higher end memory has lower latency with all the speeds, etc. You have to know how RAM actually works.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
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Damn, what's up with that?
RAM is very volatile, the yields vary significantly between production runs.
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Yes, with AMD AND Nvidia cards, anyone who just decides they need Intel with Nvidia isn't really paying attention.
I can't say for sure but most of the times I see 800 at least for starters, but at the very least get better components like a graphics card, and what not because you could very well just the fastest AMD CPU on the market and it will indeed run circles around Intel at whatever price point that is. Plus, you can get a super nice AMD board as well.
I haven't seen Memory go up AT ALL, just down. 100 bucks where spent on my 4 gigs, for the time it was built, I will always buy better memory kits so the fact is 8 is enough for most video editing and what not, 16 is just not ever going to be necessary until well after DDR4 comes out.
Like I said, higher end memory has lower latency with all the speeds, etc. You have to know how RAM actually works.
Memory price has ABSOLUTELY gone up in the last few months. You clearly do not know what you're talking about.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: pwnasaurus]
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Must be all the xbox ones and ps4's they're making
I guess though OP could buy some AMD shit and match it to the console gaming specs to save some money, something like a bulldozer is an ok investment because future games will be tailored to them.
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Memory price has ABSOLUTELY gone up in the last few months. You clearly do not know what you're talking about.
If it absolutely has, (and I don't doubt it actually) show me proof. Or at least list what you mean.
Company X charged $99 for X ram set. Same exact RAM is now $120 Company Y charged " " Company Z charged " "
Like that. Plenty of factors go into things, and who is to say it wont go down again?
Hard drives still haven't gone back to where they where when I got a 1.5tb for 55 bucks.
Then again I don't even window shop all the time, I certainly couldn't see much difference in RAM prices but I haven't exactly cataloged everything.
As far as the OP goes, he may consider just getting some older equipment, and seeing how he likes it. It will be light years ahead of the last console, and he will have money for games.
If he gets bored of that, and plays the metric ton of inexpensive games on STEAM or whatever, and wants to move up, well, he can, it's a PC.
NO matter what he does it will still be way better than the last console, but other than the fact that he is just getting into PC gaming, it isn't the best time to build yet.
Lastly, I think if you know how to configure a PhysX processor, er, "stack" this is merely a good use of your old card. I don't recommend anything without GDDR5 but if he got a 550ti, He could easily use that as a PhysX processor with some really fast cards, and get a frame rate boost. This would definitely make for a killer gaming computer, and still be able to use the 550ti or 650 for a reasonable amount of gaming, even for a few years until something great comes out, or prices drop, etc.
Plenty of games already out that use PhysX and I for one notice offloading ALWAYS gets you a higher framerate so long as you do it properly, and allows you to do something with your older graphics card.
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What do you expect me to do, go back in time to check prices that from months ago? Unfortunately, that's not possible. Shroomism knows it's the truth and psi indicated the he does as well. The price of memory fluctuates today as it has since I have been building computers - about a 15 year time period.
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It was news to me as I don't follow RAM prices too closely, but I trust that Shroomism knows what he's talking about and I have heard others say that this happens sometimes. Personally I'm hoping that 16 GB sticks of DDR3 will eventually become dirt cheap so I can max out the ram in my computer, but this news makes me wonder if they will or not. HDD prices are something that I follow more closely and that price jump a couple years back was pretty shitty. I believe one of the major players had their production capacity knocked out as a result of the tsunami and the unaffected players chose to capitalize on it. I think 3 TB drives are now cheaper than they were before that happened, but smaller capacity drives don't seem to be.
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Memory price has ABSOLUTELY gone up in the last few months. You clearly do not know what you're talking about.
If it absolutely has, (and I don't doubt it actually) show me proof. Or at least list what you mean.
What, do you think I just pull this stuff out of my ass? I work in the PC industry and deal with this shit EVERY SINGLE DAY. RAM has definitely gone up in price in the last year.
This EXACT kit of memory - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 Was $30 last year
Every other kit has also doubled or more in price. This is because RAM dropped significantly in price for a short period.. it was DIRT CHEAP. This has NOTHING to do with XBOX and PS4s, as they are completely different memory And everything to do with the manufacturing plants overseas.
For the a similar reason HDD prices SPIKED significantly after the flooding in Thailand. This was a sort of opposite effect of over-yields.
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Yeah that's great and all. But I USE 16GB. I have a friend that has 32GB and he is able to max it out doing what he does. So you don't really know what you are talking about. For most people, 8GB is more than enough yes. But to say 16 is not EVER necessary, that's just wrong. For shit like multitasking and heavy video editing and crunching and things like that - more RAM NEVER hurts.
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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
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if you can afford it, get a 4670 (no need to get an unlocked chip unless you plan on overclocking)as well as a gtx 770.
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