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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: MisterSandman]
    #18719612 - 08/17/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Woops sorry, wrong cooler link

For the Corsair H100i - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181032

self contained Water cooling for the masses without having to mess with all the hoses and pumps and stuff :thumbup:


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Boutang]
    #18719971 - 08/17/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Not really. He wants a gaming PC. I said for 1k-1.5k that is about the average MOST people spend. You can go cheaper or more expensive, but that's about the average for a GOOD gaming build.




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I think that as an average for gaming builds, even GOOD gaming builds, I don't see 1000 even for everything as Average, a lot of really killer builds can be done with AMD, which I prefer, and not hit that, but even Intel builds especially for someone just starting to get their feet wet shouldn't go near that price point.

I never have, but my goal is to not really have a set budget, just build the most robust solid build I can for what I feel I can afford.

I also don't really start from scratch very often and can't really put a price point on what I do but I plan to just use mine until something else comes along and blows my mind  :psychsplit:

also it would allow you to get a much better video card which is crucial for gaming.

Maybe start with a lower level one though, and then in a couple of years upgrade to something really awesome and use that as a Physx processor


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #18720066 - 08/17/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

A thousand dollars really isn't an exorbitant sum of money to drop on nearly any hobby, and it is perfectly average for a good gaming PC.
Maybe if you're flipping burgers that might be well out of the ballpark for you, but if that's the case, your priorities should be reconsidered.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #18720117 - 08/17/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think that as an average for gaming builds, even GOOD gaming builds, I don't see 1000 even for everything as Average, a lot of really killer builds can be done with AMD, which I prefer, and not hit that, but even Intel builds especially for someone just starting to get their feet wet shouldn't go near that price point.

I never have, but my goal is to not really have a set budget, just build the most robust solid build I can for what I feel I can afford.

I also don't really start from scratch very often and can't really put a price point on what I do but I plan to just use mine until something else comes along and blows my mind  :psychsplit:





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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: something super extreme]
    #18720124 - 08/17/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There's fun to be had at all price points really. Today's $1000 computer will eventually be worth a small fraction of that, but it will still play the same games it plays now. If you're on a budget then you can play older stuff on older hardware, same with consoles.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #18720130 - 08/17/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Like I said, I do this for a living and help people build gaming rigs all the time. Every day. For the past 4 years.
$1000 is about average. I see people spending $2,500+ on extreme builds. But that's not for the average gamer.

Yes AMD CPUs are cheaper. But Intel CPUs also run circles around them currently.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
Spend the $50 more and get a CPU that will run circles around the equivalent AMD chip

I don't recommend starting out with a low end video card for gaming and then upgrading later, that's just silly. That's why I recommended a 760Ti - Best bang for your buck right now. A good mid level card. It won't break the bank (not a $700+ top level video card)... but it's still REALLY good performance and will handle any modern game. There's really no point buying some low end card that you are going to want to upgrade in a month. If you are spending the money to build a decent gaming rig, you don't skimp on the PSU or the GPU or CPU. That's just my experience, helping people do this for a living, every day. People that skimp on critical components in their gaming build almost always regret it later on.

Now if you want to upgrade the 760Ti to whatever flagship card comes out a year or two from now (880 6GB or whatever the fuck... have at it).

But you don't start with a $50 GT 520 video card that will barely handle any game.

Also you don't really need a dedicated PhysX GPU these days. Only some games even support PhysX, and modern cards are MORE than capable of handling all the PhysX processing themselves. In almost every case, you are better off going with 2 of the same cards for SLI, rather than 1 high end card and low end PhysX GPU.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: something super extreme] * 3
    #18720150 - 08/17/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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A thousand dollars really isn't an exorbitant sum of money to drop on nearly any hobby, and it is perfectly average for a good gaming PC.
Maybe if you're flipping burgers that might be well out of the ballpark for you, but if that's the case, your priorities should be reconsidered.




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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
    #18720151 - 08/17/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Damn, don't get that magnetic shit anywhere near your harddrive.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #18720174 - 08/17/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

People who buy mediocre upgrades for anything invariably regret it down the road.
If you're going to commit to building something high-quality for yourself, spend the money and do the research to do it right the first time.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: something super extreme]
    #18720175 - 08/17/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: something super extreme]
    #18720331 - 08/17/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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People who buy mediocre upgrades for anything invariably regret it down the road.
If you're going to commit to building something high-quality for yourself, spend the money and do the research to do it right the first time.




Computers depreciate so quickly anyway though. Whatever your price point is today, spending the same amount in 5 years will get you something that blows the last one out of the water. Spending more money mostly just means you're getting the newest tech sooner (aside from things like PSUs where cheap always means shit quality.) If there is no pressing need to get that performance now rather than later, it makes economic sense to spend less. If I buy a playstation 2 today for $40 at the pawnshop, am I going to regret not buying it at launch when it was $300? It's the same machine now that it was then, and the games play the same as when they were pricy new technology.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
    #18720345 - 08/17/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Comparing Playstation to a PC is disingenuous due to the nature of the two, but I understand where you're coming from.
It's simply a better long-term investment to purchase higher-quality, better-performing components for both longevity and median performance. Either way, you'll unavoidably be spending money on upgrades down the road. That's not exclusive to computers by any means.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: something super extreme]
    #18720371 - 08/17/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's the thing, it's not really an investment at all if your main use for the machine is entertainment (as opposed to say buying a computer for pro video work or something where time saved is money earned.) It does make economic sense not to skimp too much where it affects quality (e.g. the PSU), but paying more for better performance now is a different story. The same exact components will be cheaper in a year or two, and build quality and performance will be identical then. Waiting it out makes no difference in performance but a big difference in price.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: something super extreme]
    #18720380 - 08/17/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly with the ram and cpu the way it's set up the only things that will be getting cheaper that even matter are graphics cards and that's still like 5 years down the line, PCI 3.0 works with 2.0 and they aren't even doing anything that PCI 2.0 can't emulate, no one is going to utilize anymore resources then what's currently available this gen. unless you're the one producing the software and media, otherwise we're just talking power consumption and heat.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Konyap]
    #18720390 - 08/17/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's what like 2013 and the last game to utilize a full card was tomb raider on the ps3? LOL

Unless you're spectating higher resolutions don't mean shit.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
    #18720420 - 08/17/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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People who buy mediocre upgrades for anything invariably regret it down the road.
If you're going to commit to building something high-quality for yourself, spend the money and do the research to do it right the first time.




Computers depreciate so quickly anyway though. Whatever your price point is today, spending the same amount in 5 years will get you something that blows the last one out of the water. Spending more money mostly just means you're getting the newest tech sooner (aside from things like PSUs where cheap always means shit quality.) If there is no pressing need to get that performance now rather than later, it makes economic sense to spend less. If I buy a playstation 2 today for $40 at the pawnshop, am I going to regret not buying it at launch when it was $300? It's the same machine now that it was then, and the games play the same as when they were pricy new technology.





This is THE catch-22 of computer technology.

1. You can pay top dollar for the latest technology, when it is brand new. You WILL pay out the ass for it. That's just the nature of being an early adopter.
2. Or you can wait, and buy "last generation" technology, a year or three later at a fraction of the cost.
3. OR You can buy "upper mid-range" current stuff now, and still save money, but have the "latest and greatest tech", but just not the "highest end, bleeding edge" stuff.

Of course 5 year old technology is going to be way cheaper. But in PC terms, 5 years is a freaking lifetime.
The performance of GPUs / CPUs and motherboards now compared to 5 years ago, is LIGHT YEARS ahead.
Technology progresses that fast. What is the best of the best today, will be "Meh" a year from now.

But for modern games, he DOES need the performance now. I would definitely NOT recommend getting a 5year old mobo/GPU to play the most current games and the games coming out in the near future.

Which is why MY chosen path is usually going with the upper-mid range of current tech. OR getting the high end stuff from the "last generation", when the new stuff comes out and that stuff gets way cheaper. You can still get REALLY good performance of modern tech, without spending metric shittons of money.

I don't buy the highest end hardware right when it first comes out. Only people that wipe their ass with money do that generally.

To use your analogy. Yes you could buy a PS3 at the pawnshop for $40 now. But how is that going to help you when your goal is to play the latest PS4 games?


With PCs... components will ALWAYS get cheaper over time. So you can sit there and watch every single generation pass you by.. as you wait to get the cheapest thing. But then if you buy that, something better will come around and might be even cheaper. So you can wait FOREVER, or just buy something now.

I talk to people like this all the time. They can never make up their mind. Oh I'll just wait until the 600 series comes out, then pick up a 500 series for half price. Then the 600 series comes out, and they want that.. but I'll wait till the 700 series comes out, and get a 600 series for half price.... and on and on..
I also see the exact opposite of the spectrum, when someone buys the latest and greatest video card in the world, and then gets upset when something else comes out a month later with better performance, and their video card drops in price. That's just the nature of it.

Be happy with what you have, buy what you need and can afford now.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
    #18720471 - 08/17/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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To use your analogy. Yes you could buy a PS3 at the pawnshop for $40 now. But how is that going to help you when your goal is to play the latest PS4 games?




It's not, assuming that is your goal. Personally I don't care much about how much time has passed since a game came out when I play it, but that's just me. I suppose it's more of an issue with online gaming since fewer people play the older stuff. On the PC I tend to play pirated games so online is a non-issue.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
    #18720479 - 08/17/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, if we are talking about playing games from 2005.. then whatever.

But most people I talk to these days wanting to build gaming PCs, are thinking about playing the latest games like BF3 and Crysis4 at maxed out settings on 1440p monitors and shit. The 8800GTX from 2008 is not going to cut the mustard.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: Shroomism]
    #18720500 - 08/17/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No, but the new computer that can do that today will be dirt cheap a little ways down the road.


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Re: Switching to a Gaming PC [Re: psi]
    #18720521 - 08/17/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Right... but by then... Crysis9 or whatever will be out, and then that computer will barely be able to run it without upgrading the GPU or whatever :P

And then that means waiting, when you want to play those games right now.

Which is what I was trying to explain in my earlier post. You can ALWAYS wait and get today's technology at a fraction of the price a year or two down the line. So you have to find a middle ground somewhere, or you will ALWAYS be waiting because "oh.. well I can just get this cheaper 6 months from now". I seriously talk to people that do this for YEARS... it's hilarious.

So if OP wants to play the latest games, he's going to want at least some modern tech. He doesn't necessarily HAVE to get a 700 series GPU, but then again... there's no point to get anything else. the last generation.. a 660Ti is LESS performance at about the same price. A mid range 500 series card would be a bit cheaper, but then it might not offer the performance he's looking for. So I'd go with the 'upper-mid range' of current tech, at the best bang for the buck.

If all he wants to play is MYST and Starcraft Brood wars, then get whatever, but I doubt that's the case


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