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Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any?
    #18718395 - 08/17/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

In nature carbon is one of the best things you can add to a garden because it holds in nutrients for the plants to utilize. Now with mushrooms, at least indoor mushrooms, everything is already being held in by the container we're fruiting in or of course the mycilium itself so that probably wouldn't help much. Still I wonder if it would have any effects, perhaps even helping reduce rates of contamination? I don't know, being carbon it basically will bind with anything so I could definitely see it attracting contaminant spores preventing them from germinating. Likewise I could see it stunting the mycilial growth, but then it's already so massive and after it covers the carbon it's just going to keep going anyway you know? Just thinking here, anyone else have any input? The only way I can really think to test this out would be to intentionally contaminate a bin, but.. well.. I don't exactly feel like doing that atm : P.


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18718537 - 08/17/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have suggested in the past that activated carbon and/or carbon could be used as an analogue to vermiculite.  It holds fluids, and when it is soaked with anything at all that is reactive (i.e. bulk substrates), it would hold and release as it was drawn out.  I continue to use verm and if I ever move to isolates I may test against it. 



As for using carbon for reasons of contamination prevention, I don't think it would work like that.


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #18718748 - 08/17/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I think I might test this myself in the future. It should clean the air in the bin and essentially act as a nutrient regulator. You can even add extra nutrients, at least in liquid form, by soaking the carbon in it first. The mushrooms would then only pull it out when it needs it. I've even noticed when taking activated carbon and putting it in water after a week or so it will turn blue and start to emit bubbles. What these bubbles are and what the bluing is I'm unsure, but I doubt it's bad and it would likely help with GE/FAE as well. It definitely holds more water than vermiculite I would imagine too. Likewise you could simply burn some stuff, collect the ash and use that. It wouldn't be as pure as activated carbon/charcoal, but I don't really think that's a big deal, it might even help things by being more varied as it is. Likewise say you just left some activated carbon in a gross part of the house, say the bathroom, under the sink, even in the garbage can. This is definitely just a theory, but since it sucks in all the gross things around, including bacteria and fungal spores, it would then be trapped in the carbon. Once introducing the mushrooms to this carbon it could strengthen them by introducing them to contaminants in a safe manner, I'd theorize similar to introducing dead bacteria causes our own immune systems to recognize them and then produce antibodies to protect against it. I can see a lot of potential benefits with this cheap and/or free additive.


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18718802 - 08/17/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

To the best I can find out "blue carbon" is carbon saturated with CO2. So basically it will absorb CO2 and release either oxygen or hydrogen? I'm not sure what the bubbles are still, one of those two is my guess. I could see this having a good or bad effect, but it seems to me it would more than likely be good. Since all the nutrients are still within the carbon there's no reason the mushrooms should not be able to extract it and it would basically not only allow more nutrients in the growth medium but even a higher concentration of gases.


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18719034 - 08/17/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Experiment. Or look for others experiments. A quick search turned up this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19435659


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: Kizzle]
    #18719086 - 08/17/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well...Stamets can clean up OIL with oyster mushroom mycorrhizae....


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: Nakor420]
    #18719388 - 08/17/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd imagine it could affect bacteria and competing fungus's ability to change its micro-environment.


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: volatilebunny]
    #18719699 - 08/17/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just not thinking this is going to work the way you think it is...  Activated carbon doesn't "suck" in contams, they get stuck in the micropores of it as they pass by/through.  Either way once you have hydrated it (I think that's what your saying) inside of your substrate, those micropores inside of it will be filled with water and won't do a bit of good at trapping anything else.

It *may* prove beneficial as a source of hydration, but IMO that is all it would be good for in the setting you described above.


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: BloodKil]
    #18722350 - 08/18/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I can see your point in that it would not necessarily attract spores, and logically I'd tend to agree if I had not observed simple activated carbon sitting in a jar of water for a few weeks. After about a week, once my carbon had turned blue anyway, it would actually start to collect and climb up on one side of the jar. I should have taken a picture, but it literally looked very unnatural, almost magnetized or something as if it was trying to go towards something outside of the jar. After seeing that I could definitely see the carbon actually making its way through the substrate itself, especially when you consider that the substrate itself is alive and moving as it is. I don't know, you could be right, but it's definitely got some interesting properties. The carbon I was using was aquarium carbon too, by no means a powdered version, so powdering it even should give it even further mobility and surface area.


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18722565 - 08/18/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ive been thinking about adding some carbon from spent aquarium filters to some coir/verm/gypsum and pasteurizing it all together. Probably wont help or hurt, but nothing wrong with a little experimentation. :thumbup:


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Re: Any thoughts on what charcoal/carbon would have on a substrate, if any? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18722784 - 08/18/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I'm going to experiment, but I need to get an isolate first or there won't be a way to tell how it's doing.


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