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i.d. white muscaria?
    #18718002 - 08/17/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Habitat:
found these growing in yard, in mixed forest around pine trees, in arkansas. 

Gills:
crowed gills, attached to stem, white


Stem:
3.5 inches long about 1/2 in. thick, tapering to cap. solid
appears to have rings on some, though not nec. cottony. white

Cap:
4.5-5 in. white,darker tan in middle, smooth w. warts small seration on end,
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

Spore print color:
working on spore prints right now

Bruising:
doesn't appear to bruise, but turning tannish

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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: theLoneStranger]
    #18718015 - 08/17/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's not A.muscaria.
Someone will probably chime in soon and get this down to species.


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #18718044 - 08/17/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It looks like A. muscaria var. alba to me. What about it makes you say it's not?


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: Big_Dave]
    #18718057 - 08/17/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i'm pretty sure it's supposed to have a ring on the cap that seperates the gills from the stem...and should have more cottony fibers maybe??


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: Big_Dave]
    #18718112 - 08/17/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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It looks like A. muscaria var. alba to me. What about it makes you say it's not?



You may be on to something but according to Mushroom Expert that species is usually found in the northern part of the country from New York to Washington.


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #18718140 - 08/17/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that's a pretty good point, and the lack of a ring bothers me but the bulb is very muscaria like. It's also supposed to grow in the woods? Maybe its some kind of lepidella but the key starts with spore dimensions so I've got nothing. I'm thinking less and less muscaria the more I look into it.


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: Big_Dave]
    #18718156 - 08/17/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Suchen is pretty good with Amanitas,maybe he will shed some light on this.


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #18718211 - 08/17/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

they are in the woods, my yard is way in the woods on top of crowleys ridge, if it wasn't mowed, it would turn into thick covered woods in one year. 

i'm guessing the reason i have'nt found any muscaria around is the earliness of the season?  Aug is usually drought level dry here, and hot.  This year, with the stationary front that's been in the weather, it rained for weeks and temp.s were in 80's. and the mushrooms were everywhere and amazing.  Yet no muscaria var. anywhere, which surprised me, since everything else seemed to pop.  Maybe they're not here, but i have reports of sightings on web, maybe too early, as cooler weather and rains don't come here usually till end of sept. or sometimes oct./now.


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: theLoneStranger]
    #18718229 - 08/17/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I find the yellow version of muscaria in the fall.
They are pretty common around here.


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #18718242 - 08/17/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Amanita, yes. Muscaria, prolly not, eh?


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: fry day]
    #18718521 - 08/17/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

A. Smithiana (if it was in the PNW...)
Sorry... Missed the Arkansas local

There are other white amanitas though...


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: HarryL]
    #18718533 - 08/17/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HarryL said:
A. Smithiana




In Arkansas?


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: fry day]
    #18718536 - 08/17/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This looks quite like A. muscaria var alba but could be an Amanita in section Lepidella. Check the spore to see if they're amyloid with tincture of iodine and a microscope.

It appears that there is some reddish staining on the stem. In this case that seems to point away from A. muscaria var alba and towards one of the Lepidellas.


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: theLoneStranger]
    #18718544 - 08/17/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would suggest drying it, then posting it on MO and see if ret is interested!


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Re: i.d. white muscaria? [Re: Byrain]
    #18718728 - 08/17/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OK . have samples, need to get a microscope.


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