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    #18717664 - 08/17/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I just got out of a cab driven by quite the Egyptian man. I have a bit of a relationship with him, I've tasted his lamb. When I went out drinking tonight, after listening to a bunch of NPR, I was thinking about asking him about this goings on. As soon as I sat down, he brought me the "Egypt it is crazy, my cousin, (for lack of a better word to describe shooting noises) was killed.

Shit is certainly going down but the thing that threw me off most was that Habiby seemed like it was expected. He gave me a "90 million people in Egypt half are crazy." sort of thing, apparently he had massive foresight. I'm drunk.

I just think of a thought, that back in the day those Occupy pricks were greeted with force. I don't even understand the implications but god damn, a grip of people are dead.

Hearing Habiby give a sort of brushing aside with the "I'm American now" made it seem like it's way worse than the news will tell you. He absolutely gave a 3500 dead when what I was listening to was in the hundreds.

I suppose this is why you don't mix booze and current events.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk]
    #18717686 - 08/17/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah it's out of control over there. Death everywhere. I was checking out CNN earlier and what's going on over there at the moment is pretty staggering.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk]
    #18717689 - 08/17/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Some reporters interviewed a man out there in the middle of all this, they asked him if he was afraid for his life when he went out to the protests and he rambled on about "no, I am afraid for my religioin" and what not.


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Re: Egypt [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18717701 - 08/17/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

While still wildly drunk, I will say that a passion for something, whether or not you think religion is worth being passionate about, and got dang, willing to risk your life for, should be considered. you come across saying that it's fine that all these people died because they have faith when I'm pretty sure that what they're fighting for is democracy.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk]
    #18717707 - 08/17/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just saying what I saw on TV lol I didn't put my opinion or anything so settle yo drunk ass down.

And I said ONE man, was never plural.


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Re: Egypt [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18717717 - 08/17/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You know, good sir? My drunk ass needs a good settling. I don't know why I didn't find comfort in my old man expatriate friend. Talking to him tonight, language barrier aside, was that he saw this shit coming. I do know why I gave you a sassy reply, it's those drunks. I should have never started listening to talk radio. shit just seems crazy


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk] * 1
    #18717719 - 08/17/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You know, good sir?




She's a woman, bro. Recognize.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #18717730 - 08/17/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I'm really shocked at how little coverage this is getting in America. This is worse than Syria. This is a bloodbath of unprecedented scale against peaceful citizens.

Obama says, we gotta support our ally in the region.

Jesus Christ. Somebody stop the globe, I'm ready to get off.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18717733 - 08/17/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I want off, too.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18717734 - 08/17/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It looks like the global community's tolerance of the Syrian government's "crackdown" on its citizens during the Arab Spring emboldened Egypt to simply depose and massacre disagreeable elements of their own population.

We're seeing something really ugly in process here.


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    #18717737 - 08/17/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

that pink thing is so tiny and give some consideration that I'm clearly new here. I feel like I'm following some sort of rule that there are no women on the internet and that on the internet no one know that you are a dog at the same time. those feelings should be ignored and I will be embarrassed by my behavior here tonight, this morning, wherever you are. I shouldn't ever have entered any sort of trying to talk about a current event. I don't really know shit.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk] * 1
    #18717746 - 08/17/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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that pink thing is so tiny and give some consideration that I'm clearly new here. I feel like I'm following some sort of rule that there are no women on the internet and that on the internet no one know that you are a dog at the same time. those feelings should be ignored and I will be embarrassed by my behavior here tonight, this morning, wherever you are. I shouldn't ever have entered any sort of trying to talk about a current event. I don't really know shit.




wait what

lol dude i'm just fucking wit ya, reeeeeelax


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk] * 1
    #18717752 - 08/17/13 04:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Eh, I was actually about to make a thread about it minutes earlier. I can't believe how little coverage this getting, how little discussion it's getting on the social networks. Nobody cares, but this shit is insane. People need to be paying attention to this.

The randomly executed Iraq war turned us all anti-war. When Syria committed unbelievable atrocities against its people, the global community was still riding the anti-war high and they looked the other side as its entire civilian population was chiseled down to a resistance, then justified their inaction by calling the resistance "Islamists". This apathy has emboldened Egypt's much more powerful military to cannibalize its own population in a similar way.

Why can't we go to war when we need to? Why do we go to war when we have clinical retards in control? Why do people stop paying attention immediately before the bloodbaths occur?

I was under the impression the death toll is in the hundreds, too, and I'd already felt this way. But I wouldn't doubt it at all that the Egyptian military could be capable of covering up the real death toll. 3500. Jesus.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Niffla]
    #18717763 - 08/17/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty chill, you may or may not know how drunk goes. I'm pretty. I would say 5/5. Frank Zappa is the only thing guiding me through the rest of this post. shit tons of sax, man. don't worry, I double checked. I did see lots of lost "s"es, I don't really know how to describe how poor the ytping was but I'll say it was close to yping. fuck man. I don't know if it's sad that the only real outcome of this thread is some rabble rabble about "don't kill people" or what. I'm just new to keeping up with current events and this one seemed like, holy fuck.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18717769 - 08/17/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I can't read the Habiby, he seemed to not care after that number but either way, you're placing words onto this shit that I'm unable too, have been thinking about in my limited way, whatever. it's throwing me off this whole thing, it's fucked up, thank god for talk radio. gettin' me all worked up over something I'll be talked over about football stats for


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk]
    #18717770 - 08/17/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Sick Dusk said:you may or may not know how drunk goes.




Actually no, I don't. How does it go? What happens when you drink? Do you just take one sip and feel it or do you need to drink more? Will I become addicted? One day I hope to try it, I've seen bars near my place before.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk]
    #18717780 - 08/17/13 04:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I can't read the Habiby, he seemed to not care after that number but either way, you're placing words onto this shit that I'm unable too, have been thinking about in my limited way, whatever. it's throwing me off this whole thing, it's fucked up, thank god for talk radio. gettin' me all worked up over something I'll be talked over about football stats for




I'm drunk right now. Shit is still fucked. I wish I knew how accurate this figure was, I seriously wouldn't doubt it.

Much of the near east has been transformed into a multinational no-holds-barred gladiatorial arena for the military industrial complex.

It's going on in Israel too. http://warincontext.org/2013/07/25/how-gaza-and-the-west-bank-became-israels-weapons-testing-lab/

America's in support of Egypt and Israel, Russia's in support of Syria.

Jesus Christ, move me to a tiny island in the middle of the ocean.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18717786 - 08/17/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Eh, I was actually about to make a thread about it minutes earlier. I can't believe how little coverage this getting, how little discussion it's getting on the social networks. Nobody cares, but this shit is insane. People need to be paying attention to this.




You can't believe how little coverage this is getting?


-Egypt overthrows long-term dictator
-Elects islamist president
-Country doesn't like islamist president
-Army desides to oust him
-People protest against the army's action
-People protest against the protestors protesting the army's action


like... why would random people pay attention to this?  We've collectively been tapped out on our random middle-eastern violence.  We stopped caring about Iraq and Afghanistan, and those are our boys over there.  So, no surprise here.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18717796 - 08/17/13 04:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I only hope that I didn't interrupt your pull here and now that I'm typing this I think that you should make a thread about this topic. while you're turning me onto some shit right now, this could probably reach more ears under your influence.


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Re: Egypt [Re: memes]
    #18717801 - 08/17/13 04:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

fuck, that blunt shit made me feel like I should shut up. I'm probably only feeling an effect because I developed a wonderful relationship with an egyptian man and I don't think he even give a shit now that he's american. fuck you wild turkey


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Re: Egypt [Re: memes]
    #18717803 - 08/17/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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-Egypt overthrows long-term dictator
-Elects islamist president
-Country Army doesn't like islamist president
-Army makes every attempt to thwart democratically elected Islamist president's accession and initiatives
-Army desides to oust him
-People protest against the army's action
-People protest against the protestors protesting the army's action
-Army slaughters hundreds, if not thousands of protestors in half a week
-Obama announces support for Egyptian military




These Arab militaries are like machines without operators. They've gone off and nobody can stop them. The middle east is imploding in slow motion, and every global, major and regional power has its stakes. Between Syria and Egypt, the instability is sure to spread across the middle east like infections from gaping twin gashes upon its living shoulders, and it could spread to the West and East both of Eurasia, drawing Iran, Russia, China, Europe, and ultimately America into World War III. Israel and Palestine appears to be the eye of the storm here.

Pay attention, people.

I don't fucking get it, I'm the one with ADHD, why has everybody else "tapped out" of this?


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18717806 - 08/17/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk]
    #18717808 - 08/17/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fuck




Go to bed.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk] * 1
    #18717810 - 08/17/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I have a bit of a relationship with him, I've tasted his lamb.




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Re: Egypt [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18717820 - 08/17/13 05:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It is probably time and my wish washy shit should be an offense worthy of banning. I'll pay heed to your advices, slay some pillows and shit. I certainly wasn't capable of concern for this topic.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk]
    #18717821 - 08/17/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sick Duck, thanks for making the thread and reporting the death toll. Have sweet dreams of armageddon. :goodnight:


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18717842 - 08/17/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The randomly executed Iraq war turned us all anti-war. When Syria committed unbelievable atrocities against its people, the global community was still riding the anti-war high and they looked the other side as its entire civilian population was chiseled down to a resistance, then justified their inaction by calling the resistance "Islamists". This apathy has emboldened Egypt's much more powerful military to cannibalize its own population in a similar way.





You keep making it like the Egyptian Military is the bad guys, when I think it's clear the bad guys are the muslim brotherhood who started the protests when Morsi was ousted.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Everlong]
    #18717845 - 08/17/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm:


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    #18717866 - 08/17/13 06:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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:facepalm:




Do you actually have a real response?

The Egyptian Military has been on the people's side this entire time. The people causing violence are the extremists.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sick Dusk]
    #18717870 - 08/17/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I've tasted his lamb.



Is that a euphamism or do you mean the meat like from a sheep?


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    #18717877 - 08/17/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

BlindSophist said:
:facepalm:




Do you actually have a real response?

The Egyptian Military has been on the people's side this entire time. The people causing violence are the extremists.




Morsi was democratically elected and the Egyptian military trampled upon his mandate from the people. That some people in Egypt support the military's decision to do this (undoubtedly people who voted against Morsi in the elections) does not legitimize the coup. That's not how democracy works and the Egyptian military is a menace to its people.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18717892 - 08/17/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

He was elected, big deal. He also gave himself unlimited powers outside of what his position could normally do.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Everlong]
    #18717895 - 08/17/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's bullshit. The military stymied his accession and his administration every step of the way. Morsi had no force to back up his authority other than the will of the people, and the military betrayed it.


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    #18717942 - 08/17/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's bullshit. The military stymied his accession and his administration every step of the way. Morsi had no force to back up his authority other than the will of the people, and the military betrayed it.




What the hell? The military took action because MILLIONS of Egyptians took to the street in massive protests the likes of which have never been seen on this Earth.

Morsi was elected because: A. The Muslim Brotherhood was the only real viable organization at the time of the rushed elections. B. The Muslim Brotherhood misrepresented themselves as "moderate" when they were anything but.

The people protesting now are those extreme Islamist. Do some reading.


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    #18717958 - 08/17/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Islam is not compatible with democracy,


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    #18717970 - 08/17/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Religion is not compatible with democracy.


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    #18717971 - 08/17/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/egypt-post-revolution-timeline_n_3528293.html

CAIRO — Egypt's military has given Islamist President Mohammed Morsi and opposition protesters until Wednesday afternoon to work out their differences, or the military will put forward its own road map. The ultimatum followed Sunday's huge demonstrations against Morsi around the country. Hundreds of thousands gathered in city squares again Monday, demanding that Morsi resign. Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood were resisting, noting that he is a democratically elected president who has served only one year of his four-year term.

Here are some key events from more than two years of turmoil and transition.

Jan. 25-Feb. 11, 2011 – Egyptians stage nationwide demonstrations against the rule of autocrat Hosni Mubarak, who led the country for nearly three decades. The 18-day "revolution," launched by secular and leftist youth, draws in a wide spectrum, including the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists. Hundreds of protesters are killed as Mubarak and his allies try to crush the uprising.

Feb. 11 – Mubarak steps down and turns power over to the military. Two days later, the body of top generals, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, dissolves parliament and suspends the constitution, meeting two key demands of protesters.

March 19 – In the first post-Mubarak vote, Egyptians cast ballots on constitutional amendments sponsored by the military setting the framework for the transition to democracy, including scheduling the first parliamentary and presidential elections. Islamists back the amendments, eager to hold elections they are poised to dominate. Many revolutionaries push for a "no" vote, arguing a constitution should be written first. The measures are overwhelmingly approved.

Oct. 9 – Troops crush a protest by Christians in Cairo over a church attack, killing more than 25 protesters. The rally is one of many during the military's nearly 17-month rule, with protesters often calling for the removal of the generals and clashes frequently erupting that killed dozens.

Nov. 28, 2011-Feb 15, 2012 – Egypt holds multistage, weekslong parliamentary elections, with Islamists winning big. In the lawmaking lower house, the Muslim Brotherhood wins nearly half the seats, and ultraconservative Salafis take another quarter. The remainder goes to liberal, leftist, independent and secular politicians. In the largely powerless upper house, few voters bother to cast ballots, and Islamists take nearly 90 percent of the seats.

May 23-24, 2012 – The first round of voting in presidential elections, with a field of 13 candidates. Morsi and Ahmed Shafiq, the last prime minister under Mubarak, emerge as the top two finishers, to face each other in a runoff.

June 14 – The Supreme Constitutional Court orders the dissolving of the Islamist-dominated lower house of parliament on grounds that a third of its members were elected illegally. The military swiftly closes down parliament.

June 16-17 – Egyptians vote in the presidential runoff between Morsi and Shafiq. The generals issue a "constitutional declaration" giving themselves sweeping authorities and limiting the powers of the next president. Morsi emerges as the victor, with 51.7 percent of the vote.

June 30 – Morsi takes his oath of office before the Supreme Constitutional Court, a day after reading a symbolic oath in Cairo's Tahrir Square, birthplace of the revolution.

Aug. 12 – In a bold step, Morsi orders the retirement of the top Mubarak-era leadership of the military and cancels the military's last constitutional decree, taking back the powers that the generals gave themselves. The move was seen as way to curb the military's role in political affairs, but it also gave Morsi the power to legislate in the absence of parliament.

Nov. 19 – Members of liberal parties and representatives of Egypt's churches withdraw from the 100-member assembly writing the constitution, created by parliament before it was dissolved. They say they are protesting attempts by Islamists who dominate the panel to impose their will on the draft.

Nov. 22 – Morsi unilaterally decrees greater powers for himself, giving his decisions immunity from judicial review and barring the courts from dissolving the constituent assembly and the upper house of parliament. The move came just ahead of court decisions that could have dissolved the bodies. The move sparks days of protests, with clashes between Morsi's supporters and opponents. At one point, some 200,000 people rally in Tahrir Square, with some of the first chants for Morsi to "leave."

Nov. 30 – In a marathon all-night session, Islamists in the constituent assembly rush to complete the draft of the constitution, with almost all non-Islamists boycotting the gathering. Morsi sets a Dec. 15 date for a referendum, fueling further protests.

Dec. 2 – Islamists protest outside the Supreme Constitutional Court, blocking judges from entering to rule on the legality of the constituent assembly.

Dec. 4 – More than 100,000 protesters march on the presidential palace, demanding the cancellation of the referendum and the writing of a new constitution. The next day, Islamists attack a peaceful anti-Morsi sit-in outside the palace, sparking street battles that leave at least 10 dead. Days later, Morsi rescinds his initial decrees, but maintains the date of the referendum.

Dec. 15, Dec. 22 – In the two-round referendum, Egyptians approve the constitution, with 63.8 percent voting in favor. Turnout is low, with only 32.9 percent of voters participating.

Dec. 29 – The Egyptian Central Bank announces that foreign reserves – drained to $15 billion from $36 billion in 2010 – have fallen to a "critical minimum" and starts new measures to stop a sharp slide in the value of the Egyptian pound. The pound's decline slows but doesn't stop, and now stands at just over 7 to the dollar, compared to as strong as 5.5 to the dollar in 2010.

Jan. 25, 2013 – Hundreds of thousands hold protests in Tahrir Square and nationwide against Morsi on the 2-year anniversary of the start of the revolt against Mubarak, and clashes erupt in many places. The following day, residents of the city of Port Said stage protests, angered by a court ruling convicting and sentencing to death a group of local soccer fans for a 2012 stadium riot. Police crack down hard in Port Said, killing more than 40 protesters, and the city and others nearby go into near revolt. Much of the anger is focused at Morsi, who praised the police for their crackdown.

Feb. 22 – Morsi schedules elections for a new lower house of parliament to begin in April. But the election is postponed after a court rules that the upper house – which is carrying out legislative duties until a lower house is created – improperly approved the law governing the election. It remains unknown when elections will be held.

Feb.-March 2013 – Protests rage in Port Said and other cities for weeks, with dozens more dying in clashes, and some police units around the country go on strike. Brotherhood youth and their opponents fight in the streets outside the group's main Cairo headquarters.

April 7 – A Muslim mob attacks the main cathedral of the Coptic Orthodox Church when Christians hold a funeral and protest there over four Christians killed in sectarian violence outside of Cairo the day before. One person is killed in clashes at the cathedral, and Pope Tawadros II publicly blames Morsi for failing to protect the building, thought the president condemns the attack.

May 7 – Morsi reshuffles the Cabinet, bringing in more ministers from the Muslim Brotherhood to total 11 members of the 36-member government. Officials say the changes aim to finalize long-stalled negotiations with the International Monetary Fund for crucial $4.8 billion loan, which requires sensitive reductions to fuel and food subsidies that take up a large chunk of the budget. A deal on the loan has still not been reached.

June 23 – A mob beats to death four Egyptian Shiites in their home in a village on the edge of Cairo. Morsi condemns the attack, but critics blame virulent anti-Shiite rhetoric by his hard-line Islamist allies, fueled by Syria's civil war. A week earlier, Morsi shared a stage with hard-line clerics at a rally, sitting silently as they denounced Shiites as "filthy."

June 30 – Millions of Egyptians take to the streets in Cairo and other cities calling for Morsi to step down in a massive display of anger and frustration. The demonstrations are largely peaceful, although 16 people, half of them in clashes outside the Muslim Brotherhood's Cairo headquarters, are killed in protest-related violence nationwide. Organizers vow to keep up the protests until Morsi resigns.

July 1 – Large-scale demonstrations continue, and Egypt's powerful military gives the two sides 48 hours to resolve their disputes, or it will impose its own solution. The military's statement appears to back the protesters, telling the government to respond to their demands.


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    #18717975 - 08/17/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Religous extremism is not compatible with democracy,



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    #18717976 - 08/17/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

All that info, yet you managed to not include the coup?


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    #18717977 - 08/17/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Religion is not compatible with democracy.




Israel is a largely Jewish state and it's fairly free and democratic. Most predominantly Christian states seem to be fairly free. Don't be so PC :wink:.


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Religous extremism is not compatible with democracy,



Fixed.




Islam is waaaay more extreme than the other shit out there.


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    #18717983 - 08/17/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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All that info, yet you managed to not include the coup?




That was from an article dated July 1st. I wanted to show BS a timeline of events and the reasons behind military action. The elections were rushed and the Brotherhood were the only real organization. This attempt at democracy was doomed from the start. They should have waited longer to hold the elections.


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Re: Egypt [Re: setb]
    #18717984 - 08/17/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Fairly democratic, right.





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Re: Egypt [Re: Constantine]
    #18717991 - 08/17/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Muslim crazies launching rockets from civilian buildings and blowing themselves up in markets, clubs, city buses, etc.

There seems to be a common factor here.

Islam cannot, cannot coexist at all. Even rival sects of Islam are at war.


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    #18717998 - 08/17/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Religion is not compatible with democracy.




Israel is a largely Jewish state and it's fairly free and democratic. Most predominantly Christian states seem to be fairly free. Don't be so PC :wink:.




For the most part, Israel has a secular government, Israel is a Jewish state so Jews have a place to go. There are nutty Jews in Israel though.

The problem with majority Islam countries is that everything is centered around the religion - even the governments defer to Islam. Turkey is really the only country that was able to put Islam in its place and that took a strong dictator to impose his will and set up institutions separate from the religion.. I dunno, how is Indonesia doing.


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    #18718003 - 08/17/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, you do have a point there. There are even Islamic groups that want to replace our law and the law of western European nations with Islamic law.


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    #18718681 - 08/17/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I've tasted his lamb.



Is that a euphamism or do you mean the meat like from a sheep?




I'm talking about meat from a sheep, he occasionally hooks me up with leftovers.


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    #18718836 - 08/17/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I would try to persuade the Egyptian to listen to you talk about how much you want his friendship, and how you'll sacrifice everything in order to attain it. You would wish for this attainment of their friendship to be an eternal reward you can relish in. You can either keep the friendship as an eternal present awaiting the other persons opening, or you may lcose the present and never allow it to be shown again. It is your choice, and remember that the decision nyou make will alter your future forever. It will never be the same after you decide to cast that choice into the boxes that interlink the choices that you have been granted to use or disuse.


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    #18718928 - 08/17/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If Islam is incompatible with democracy, then it's obvious that Egypt can't have a democracy. :shrug:

It would be nice if Egypt could work out an arrangement like Turkey, but their military just seems too hasty. And I think Morsi's missteps have been trumped-up, and his administration actually sabotaged by loyalists to the Mubarak regime. The power outages that precipitated mass protests against him were orchestrated by his enemies.


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    #18719075 - 08/17/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think I'd like to cast my friendship into the Egyptian's opening and trust that I know that it will alter my future forever.


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    #18719084 - 08/17/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/world/middleeast/improvements-in-egypt-suggest-a-campaign-that-undermined-morsi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

It stinks. :shrug: The military shouldn't have to stoop to political sabotage to justify its actions. If they were the friend of the people then they wouldn't punish the people for making the "wrong" choice at the ballot box.

You don't have to like Morsi's religious or political positions, it's not your fucking business. You do not live in Egypt.


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    #18719124 - 08/17/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Remember kids the USA has given the egyptian army thousands of to of the line tanks and hundreds if top of the line jets.  After Israel egypt is #2 on the list for highest amount of military "aid" given by the USA. 

Aid to Israel is for Israels security

Aid to Egypt is also for Israels security

Egypt is right next to Israel and you'd better believe that the Zionists would not allow an anti-zionist democraticly elected government like morsi's to rule over all of that army.

They keep control of the army through the billions in "aid" (the USA pretty much built the Egyptian army) to keep Israel safe from a hostile Egypt.


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    #18719186 - 08/17/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I just got out of a cab driven by quite the Egyptian man. I have a bit of a relationship with him, I've tasted his lamb.





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    #18719189 - 08/17/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

will there be rice involved?


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    #18719201 - 08/17/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Naw just lamb and meat balls.


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    #18719204 - 08/17/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Shucks, though I am a sucker for a tasty meatball


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    #18719294 - 08/17/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's bullshit. The military stymied his accession and his administration every step of the way. Morsi had no force to back up his authority other than the will of the people, and the military betrayed it.




It's actually quite the opposite of bullshit, more like the facts of the situation.

I find it funny you seemingly supported that fascist in sheep skin Morsi, and his organization of extremists.


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    #18719341 - 08/17/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah it's out of control over there. Death everywhere. I was checking out CNN earlier and what's going on over there at the moment is pretty staggering.






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That's bullshit. The military stymied his accession and his administration every step of the way. Morsi had no force to back up his authority other than the will of the people, and the military betrayed it.




It's actually quite the opposite of bullshit, more like the facts of the situation.

I find it funny you seemingly supported that fascist in sheep skin Morsi, and his organization of extremists.




The extremists are the military who are slaughtering protesters wholesale.

I'm starting to seriously wonder where you get your news.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18719435 - 08/17/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's bullshit. The military stymied his accession and his administration every step of the way. Morsi had no force to back up his authority other than the will of the people, and the military betrayed it.




It's actually quite the opposite of bullshit, more like the facts of the situation.

I find it funny you seemingly supported that fascist in sheep skin Morsi, and his organization of extremists.




The extremists are the military who are slaughtering protesters wholesale.

I'm starting to seriously wonder where you get your news.



Same here man. :lol:

I've watched videos of the military hovering over crowds with their countries flags to massive cheers. The only problems they've had has been with the Muslim Brotherhood, who has made it clear from day one of the presidential oust that they have no problem resorting to violence.

Morsi was quickly becoming the same figure Egypt just removed. You remember their was protests while he was in office, correct? Protesting against Morsi's disregard of human rights, taking on the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Everlong]
    #18719446 - 08/17/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Egyptians like to protest.

I've been following the story in AlJazeera and social networks. I wouldn't look to any major American news outlook for coverage on this. I have heard of protesters on the streets being shot by guns from helicopters.

I wouldn't know but I'm guessing most of the US-based coverage of this story is slanted to make the military look like the people's saviors, since Morsi is anti-Israel and the military is pro-Israel.


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    #18719607 - 08/17/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, I'm really shocked at how little coverage this is getting in America. This is worse than Syria. This is a bloodbath of unprecedented scale against peaceful citizens.

Obama says, we gotta support our ally in the region.





our 'ally' that obama has been supporting is the muslim brotherhood, the
very people responsible for all these deaths


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That's bullshit. The military stymied his accession and his administration every step of the way. Morsi had no force to back up his authority other than the will of the people, and the military betrayed it.




morsi is supported by he islamic brotherhood, to claim that morsi didnt
have the force to back it up shows how little you know about the situation


this is what's really happening in egypt, the pretty pictures of bombs and such going off that you see on CNN and in the papers dont do it justice

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    #18719647 - 08/17/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What are you on about, Pris? Obama aligned with the Egyptian military. Gotta protect our ally in the region.

Are you seriously trying to tell me the Egyptian military is being terrorized by the Muslim Brotherhood? :facepalm: They're the eleventh most powerful military in the world and they are massacring their citizens as we speak.


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    #18719764 - 08/17/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I just checked out Fox's coverage of this story. They focus on the rebuilding of Christian churches and the designation of the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization by the military.

They also have one photojournalist's account of a harrowing run-in with a member of this terrorist organization, in which he took this picture:



My God, they're armed with spraypaint. The Egyptian military, and the West with it is doomed. :omgz:

Of course, there is nothing like the pictures you just posted Pris, or any acknowledgment of the massacre of spraypaint-wielding terrorists and their worried-looking friends by the military.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18719827 - 08/17/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Here are some pictures from inside one of the mosques before it was stormed and cleared out by the Egyptian military earlier today.




Do these people look dangerous to you? This is not a war or a crackdown, this is a massacre of peaceful civilians by US-backed, US-funded military forces.

Thanks for the photo source, Pris.


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    #18719906 - 08/17/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

read about that mosque raid today.  you failed to mention that the islamists holed up in the mosque were firing on the soldiers from a 2nd story window.

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    #18719917 - 08/17/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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read about that mosque raid today.  you failed to mention that the islamists holed up in the mosque were firing on the soldiers from a 2nd story window.

...just sayin.




Just saying they don't have the right to self defense?

Do you see that picture above of the man carrying the tiny body bag? The military has been murdering women and children.


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    #18720255 - 08/17/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

In many of those photos, people are saying this photographer is dead. I sure hope this isn't the case.

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    #18721711 - 08/18/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Egyptians like to protest.

I've been following the story in AlJazeera and social networks. I wouldn't look to any major American news outlook for coverage on this. I have heard of protesters on the streets being shot by guns from helicopters.

I wouldn't know but I'm guessing most of the US-based coverage of this story is slanted to make the military look like the people's saviors, since Morsi is anti-Israel and the military is pro-Israel.




Too tired to argue right now, but I'm sticking to my guns. Morsi was a farcry from real democracy, and literally changed next to nothing in the way he ran Egypt compared to who was previously in charge. He took away media rights, women rights, and more. Egyptians were super butt hurt when he kept the role of Information Minister, which was a position from the administration before him.

Nice photos, but I have a hard time trusting visual evidence when I've watched a video of Morsi supporters staging a photo shoot of injured people. No joke, in this video there is a group of "wounded" people striking poses for cameras. I know I mentioned a video I watched of military helicopters in support of protesters, so I'm shooting myself in the foot but all well. :lol:

The military wasn't committing any violence until the pro-Morsi protesters started to shed blood. If I'm wrong you can correct me.


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    #18721716 - 08/18/13 04:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Its good that their army is opening fire on these fucking radicals. They're spreading like a plague across the middle east.


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    #18721740 - 08/18/13 05:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I've been following the story in AlJazeera and social networks. I wouldn't look to any major American news outlook for coverage on this. I have heard of protesters on the streets being shot by guns from helicopters.







:ilold:

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    #18721762 - 08/18/13 05:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's bullshit. The military stymied his accession and his administration every step of the way. Morsi had no force to back up his authority other than the will of the people, and the military betrayed it.




What the hell? The military took action because MILLIONS of Egyptians took to the street in massive protests the likes of which have never been seen on this Earth.

Morsi was elected because: A. The Muslim Brotherhood was the only real viable organization at the time of the rushed elections. B. The Muslim Brotherhood misrepresented themselves as "moderate" when they were anything but.

The people protesting now are those extreme Islamist. Do some reading.


so in otherwords, Millions of Egyptians are fucked in the head. oh, that's a better scenario.


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    #18721765 - 08/18/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They're all fucking crazy, let them cleanse themselves of these ethnic groups and drive their own country into the ground. Who the fuck cares.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18721774 - 08/18/13 05:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

personally, i don't care. i don't like seeing death and destruction, but no one can stop crazy; and people are cerazy.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18722353 - 08/18/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's bullshit. The military stymied his accession and his administration every step of the way. Morsi had no force to back up his authority other than the will of the people, and the military betrayed it.




What the hell? The military took action because MILLIONS of Egyptians took to the street in massive protests the likes of which have never been seen on this Earth.

Morsi was elected because: A. The Muslim Brotherhood was the only real viable organization at the time of the rushed elections. B. The Muslim Brotherhood misrepresented themselves as "moderate" when they were anything but.

The people protesting now are those extreme Islamist. Do some reading.


so in otherwords, Millions of Egyptians are fucked in the head. oh, that's a better scenario.



I don't know, I'd be pissed off too if the person I elected started turning into a fascist nightmare.


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Re: Egypt [Re: Everlong]
    #18722367 - 08/18/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I've been following the story in AlJazeera and social networks. I wouldn't look to any major American news outlook for coverage on this. I have heard of protesters on the streets being shot by guns from helicopters.







:ilold:

EDIT: I noticed the youtube embed doesn't load right, here's a link to the liveleak version I originally saw:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ec_1376774646




Not surprised, the "palestinians" use the same tactics to manipulate those that are easily manipulated. Pull their heart strings.


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