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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18715095 - 08/16/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

At the first least, you should find comfort in the fact that the "damage" is not permanent. Oil/hash has been around for a very long time and the knowledge that a higher tolerance=less appetite has been around at least as long. Most chronic chronic-smokers :tongue: are a good percentage (10??) skinnier (and have healthier/higher levels of brown/"good" fat for the matter)


But in my experience, when smoking a steady/consistent amount of oil (which I do to this day, though I only dab at night or on rare occasions i'll have a dab-day), the appetite-suppression plateaued after a certain point. Only when I was spending all day dabbing, for several days, did I really have an issue with realizing I haven't been eating enough.

I could see VERY easily see/believe that many people (who doesn't realize this could/will happen) could get carried away and weeks/months/years could go by before they realize they are severely malnurished.



Kind of related, some of the synthetics (2201 IME) have a very strong appetite suppression that can I can only compare to oil, but to me. its almost like oil is to flower/weed, what 2201 is to oil (IMO of course).

I ran into some eating/weight-loss issues with that (~20 lbs lost in 3 months [bringing me to 130lbs and i'm 6'1"]leaving me EXTREMELY fatigued and nauseous 24/7 by the end), but eventually after "weening" (and i really did taper :lol: :meff:) down, I was gaining weight within a couple weeks (and continuing to cut down on use) and maybe a month after that I was using it (2201) in much smaller doses, and only at night, and I was back to having energy and being able to eat a couple meals each day like the rest of society.



I guess my point to all of this is,

Everthing in moderation, and
Always try to be aware of your habits/behavior on a day-to-day basis.


If I had realized my poor-eating habits earlier, I feel that I would never have gotten to that point.


If cutting out oil/wax is the only way to solve the problem, so-be-it, but, I think it CAN be used, even daily, without severe lethargy & malnourishment/appetite-suppression being an absolute consequence (though it most certainly can happen).


And I gotta say,

It sure is nice getting absolutely LIT from a .1g dab again, every night, compared to feeding a .3-.5g snake into the nail every 45 minutes.

And I gotta say,
it sure saves a lot of $$ on butane :lol:


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@work on my phone and I've been working on this post for hours now during my breaks
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pcplease] * 1
    #18715129 - 08/16/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't read the whole thread but is this some sort of fucking joke? I saw weed being compared to crack and heroin. This sounds something straight from a news article about some kid getting caught with "New and dengerous form of mairjuana" Concentrates have been used for years, dabs and oil rigs are just a new method of smokeing and who cares if it "looks" similar to smoking crack or meth. It's still the same drug its ALWAYS been. In fact there are less active chemicals than if you were to just smoke weed.  And idk if you guys are forgetting your highschool years or something but smoking weed was ALWAYS about getting as fucked up as possible.

This thread is rediculous. Hopefully after I post this and read through the whole thing aomeon is spreading some logic.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pcplease]
    #18715329 - 08/16/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

lol wtf is up with you guys get appetite suppression from oil, isn't it supposed to make you hungry like being cannabis and all?


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sheekle]
    #18715341 - 08/16/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I bought a gram of sour d bho wax today, actually


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sheekle]
    #18715685 - 08/16/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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lol wtf is up with you guys get appetite suppression from oil, isn't it supposed to make you hungry like being cannabis and all?




Hahaha, that's why it took me 6 months to get a diagnosis (which the diagnosis is still kind of up in the air). I was like "No way is pot actually making me sick. Here, I'll just take a few more dabs until my stomach doesn't hurt."

Well, when I finally quit smoking, that's when all of my symptoms went away. I was able to eat again, I wasn't throwing up all day long. The severe pain and nausea left. I'm bored as fuck now, but I had to do it for my health :shrug:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18715853 - 08/16/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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  And idk if you guys are forgetting your highschool years or something but smoking weed was ALWAYS about getting as fucked up as possible.



Yea, but if we ever wanna see full federal legalization, it needs to not be a thing that people are afraid of. To the govt, weed has to be an angel...I dunno what I'm trying to say here. But noone is really comparing it to crack or heroin, I see their points.
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This thread is rediculous. Hopefully after I post this and read through the whole thing aomeon is spreading some logic.



It's not that bad of a thread. I think dabs and concentrates are great, especially for their medical purposes.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Lynnch]
    #18715921 - 08/16/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I see your point but it's still a major stretch, they are two COMPLETELY different categories of drugs.

I would really like to know how dabs alone, shut down someone's digestive track, because that's not really possible IME. How does he know that was the SOLE FACTOR? I call BS on that one. Diet and environment HAD to be a factor as well, possibly other medications.





My argument would be that someone getting trashed on dabs all day everyday isn't taking good care of their body vs the marijuana smoker who comes home from after work and smokes some bowls or a joint. Obviously we can't know that for sure, but I think diet and environment comes from the direct fact that some dab head who sits around getting trashed everyday isn't taking good care of their bodies. I am purely generalizing and clearly not talking about every marijuana smoker and every dab smoker adheres to these principles.

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I'm not sure your premise is true.
I'm positive there were problems with drunkenness even in ancient greece or rome where all they drank was wine.
Are you sure the problems associated with crack are because of the concentration percentage of the drug, and not, say, the socioeconomic factors involved with selling something for as high a price as possible to people in poverty?





I am positive that the push for prohibition came about with liquor. Woman started campaigning and moral angels of the house hold and started organizing. They were the ones to originally start pushing that the saloon with it's whiskey and hard alcohol was a source of great debauchery (and it was). Of course there were alcoholics from beer and hard cider before these times, but the rates of alcoholism and alcohol related social issues came about with the 19th century saloon and the overwhelming presence of hard liquor.

This PBC documentary narated by Ken Burns does an excellent job at explaining how the shift to liquor and the saloon caused great rates of alcoholism and social issues like public intoxication huge rates. Instead of having a beer in the morning, at lunch, in the afternoon, and at night - people were getting trashed in the saloon.

http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/prohibition/


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18715973 - 08/16/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I wish I could have been around in the days where people wouldn't give me disapproving looks for drinking beer with breakfast. :crankey:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18715994 - 08/16/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I wish I could have been around in the days where people wouldn't give me disapproving looks for drinking beer with breakfast. :crankey:




Screw those people, beer is a breakfast drink. But it's also so much more than that.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: muistrue]
    #18715999 - 08/16/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It's an all-the-time drink. :beer:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18716002 - 08/16/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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This PBC documentary narated by Ken Burns does an excellent job at explaining how the shift to liquor and the saloon caused great rates of alcoholism and social issues like public intoxication huge rates. Instead of having a beer in the morning, at lunch, in the afternoon, and at night - people were getting trashed in the saloon.

http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/prohibition/




Hey, sounds cool. Think I'll watch this tonight. :cheers:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18716005 - 08/16/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18716008 - 08/16/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Also consider what sanitary conditions were like back then. Beer was probably much safer and healthier to drink than the drinking water in many situations.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18716016 - 08/16/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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withoutawire said:
This PBC documentary narated by Ken Burns does an excellent job at explaining how the shift to liquor and the saloon caused great rates of alcoholism and social issues like public intoxication huge rates. Instead of having a beer in the morning, at lunch, in the afternoon, and at night - people were getting trashed in the saloon.

http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/prohibition/




Hey, sounds cool. Think I'll watch this tonight. :cheers:




It should be on you tube. It's 3 parts and each part is 90 minutes, but it's really really good. Both times i've watched it and I ended up sitting for the entire 3 part 4.5 hour longer series and sipping on some hard cider and watching the entire things and staying up late into the night.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sheekle]
    #18716045 - 08/16/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I like the idea of this thread, too, and most definitely agree that the novelty of rigs/dabs is hurting the legalization movement as much as the increase in explosions from people trying to make their own oil.

And that anyone who doesn't LOVE weed will most likely HATE the effects of a dab


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lol wtf is up with you guys get appetite suppression from oil, isn't it supposed to make you hungry like being cannabis and all?





I think I might have worded myself badly-

I get MORE munchies the LESS i use oil.

Exactly like weed IMO/IME. The only difference is that oil builds up my "munchie-tolerance" much faster, and to a much greater extent than weed has.

Although I'm sure weed COULD, it would just require a LOT of weed :lol:



@blind



Not EVERYONE's look is one of disapproval..
Mine is just one of jealousy :wink:


But I agree. The beer-fanatic community isn't nearly as judgemental, though :tongue:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pcplease]
    #18716066 - 08/16/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think it's hurting the legalization movement at all. :shrug: Hysterical conformists will do as hysterical conformists is.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18716097 - 08/16/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Hysterical conformists will do as hysterical conformists is.





:lol:

Yeah I can't argue with that whatsoever


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pcplease]
    #18716301 - 08/16/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

wouldn't it be the same thing if you just smoked more bud?

also, most of the people who do dabs and have the nice recyclers have their shit together. it's not cheap at all when people are dabbing $20 of oil in one hit


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: blackglass6219]
    #18716314 - 08/16/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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wouldn't it be the same thing if you just smoked more bud?




The reason it's better is because you get more THC hitting your system all at once. How long would it take you to smoke a gram of weed? With an oil rig you can dab that much THC in one hit.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: blackglass6219]
    #18716319 - 08/16/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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wouldn't it be the same thing if you just smoked more bud?





No not exactly. With concentrates, you are smoking mass amounts in such a small hit.

Think of it like the difference between drinking a lot of beers, or drinking straight hard liquor/moonshine.. you are going to get WAY more fucked up a lot faster, on a lot less with the liquor.


With bud, I find you can only get so high. You eventually reach a ceiling. At least that's what I've found in my 15+ years of basically daily toking. With concentrates, it takes me to a different level. Or at least, you get high from WAY less.

That's why I only do concentrates once in a blue moon. Otherwise my tolerance gets WAY too high and then I can't even get buzzed from buds anymore.. no bueno.


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