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Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? (**PINNING!! 8/20/2013**)
    #18715008 - 08/16/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys!!

I've been trying to figure it out... but i just dont know..

i havent perfectly identified my species of mushroom but i started a clone from a good looking cluster i got from my health food market. here is a picture of exactly what they looked like when i got them.

You can follow the thread in my sig (not updated) to read more about it.

But... i'm at the point of fruiting and they've been in their 'fruiting chamber' for a few days now and zero pins. i am a patient person, but as i've read oyster mushrooms grow fast and i should have at LEAST some pins by now. nada!!

here are some photos i just took (its night so forgive the lighting!!) of my setup and what my straw looks like.


I have a thin sheet and a thick (soaked) towel over a rack. the towel doesnt go as far down on the backside as it does the front



this is how i have my trays arranged (i have two more green trays almost read to be put in)



This is the first container i put out. It's not as colonized as the other two. that 'stripe' of straw is from one of the other baskets sitting on it in the big tub. I put this container out at least 4 days ago.




A closeup of the green tub on the top right. I've been spraying all over the inside of the rack and water droplets form and some stay as bubbles on top of the mycelium. Is this okay? Also, some of the mycelium appears to 'flatten' (not as fluffy as when i pulled from the tub), from misting. too much?




Another closeup, this one is on the bottom rack. The mycelium was much fluffier but from my misting it is more soapy/foamy. You can see water droplets -- again, is this bad? I feel it could be a natural occurrence in a forest so i havent been too conservative.




A not-so-closeup of the same tub. It looks 'good' to me, but still no pins. this container and the other green one have been out for about 2-3 days. showing zero signs of pinning.




Since i started taking these pics the temp has increased a little bit. it usually doesnt get any further above this during the day. humidity can go as low as 80% if i dont tend to it.




Additional points:
-I keep the perlite we (the perlite is in an inch or so of water, on top of a soaked towel)
-I open the sheets for light and FAE and mist a bit. Before i close the sheets up i mist the interior/exterior fabric very well so that any air flow pushes in cool/wet air.
-When i pasteurized i used no additives.
-The balcony gets zero direct sunlight.

If you have any advice please be as descriptive as possible so i can get the most knowledge possible.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18715833 - 08/16/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like you're doing fine, those look healthy to me, they'll fruit when they're ready :thumbup: 

Shouldn't be too long now.

Don't worry about over-misting with oysters, especially when they do pin.  Mist away!


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Forrester]
    #18715854 - 08/16/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, this^

This species loves being wet down. Mist well my friend.
It'll happen man. Likely when you're not looking
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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18716023 - 08/16/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

haha SUPER! you guys are great. i got one more green basket to put in there and in a couple days i'll have another one.

Should i be waiting for it to colonize and fuzz on the surface before putting it onto the rack? or just when i see about 40%-50% poking through? On RR video his basket doesnt look nearly as covered as mine do. same with any other oyster grow i've looked up on here! my assumption is that its never too late; is that a bad assumption?


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18716115 - 08/16/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Once they do pin you'll be picking in no time :smile: As said they look great.  maybe leave your cloth cracked a bit for light and some fae to get in there.  When using homemade outdoor chambers I've never been to specific with anything and they always turn out great.  Indoors is wehre they get picky.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18716130 - 08/16/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Once they do pin you'll be picking in no time :smile: As said they look great.  maybe leave your cloth cracked a bit for light and some fae to get in there.




:whathesaid:

Yeah definitely, as soon as you get pins I might even just leave the front door open and just blast with water whenever you can.  Unless you're in a really dry climate or something.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Forrester]
    #18716169 - 08/16/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

when you say blast do you mean like get a gallon of water and pour it onto the baskets? is it essentially dunking? i'm sort of confused when people say that.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18716175 - 08/16/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No just mist heavily.  They need moisture and a lot of air.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18716284 - 08/16/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psilocybebonsai said:
when you say blast do you mean like get a gallon of water and pour it onto the baskets? is it essentially dunking? i'm sort of confused when people say that.




Haha sorry - no just what jeff said :thumbup:

No firehoses necessary :lol:


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Forrester]
    #18716539 - 08/16/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

okay good. when i open my 'curtain' for air the humidity drops, as expected. i mist so that it stays up while FAE occurs, and then i mist again on the interior, but it seems that my humidity has a hard time getting back to ~100% from ~75%-80%.

i'll update more if i see potential issues, or success!

thanks so far for your help, guys. i really hope these guys pull through!!! i cant wait there should be a decent amount!


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18716639 - 08/16/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As long as theyre getting sprayed, the surface humidity is probably relatively higher than where your hygrometer is reading.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18716673 - 08/16/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that's what i figured. can anyone ID the exact species? I know there are a few P. but i cant distinguish between them.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18716858 - 08/16/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Speaking of blasting...

To those with greenhouse setups, I can't say enough good things about those big pump sprayers.
Yknow the ones they sell as pesticide sprayers?  they rock for mycology. save the wrist and pump the mist...
  Damn I should be a salseman.   
The good ones have a superfine setting too. One fill lasts over a week. I'm lucky too that I don't need a drip pan. My garage is on a slightly unleveled hill so any runoff just goes out the ol drafty door

  The small cheap ones are like 10bucks


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18716946 - 08/16/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

can you tell me what its called?! i'm interested in that! the water bottle sucks!!


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18716993 - 08/16/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They're all over man. walmart, home depot, lows, big lots, ace ect
Its just a big pumpable sprayer that you strap on your back to apply pesticides to your lawn. I'm surprised that more people don't use em to water their gardens.
I got introduced to them and many free samples because my drummer is an engineer and designs them for a living...cha ching.  hahaha


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18717016 - 08/16/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000E2EZBO/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?qid=1376717295&sr=8-7&pi=SL75

They come in such wide array of quality, getting one from the store firsthand is a better bet but here's what they look like.  just google pump sprayer or ask


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18717028 - 08/16/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

ohhhh yeah i know what you're talking about. one of THESE suckers!!

good idea i really never thought of that, also i dont have a greenhouse.. but maybe in the future. now i'm interested in looking up greenhouses on here!

There was that one thread................ some guy built one recently and its unbelievable!!


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18717075 - 08/16/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah you can get a cheap gh for about 20 bucks too.
  Have you tried wrapped straw with holes punched?

The thing about oysters is the mycelium really hates to be dried out.
I've found consistently with baskets that's its a nice first flush followed by a weak second or no second. They seem to be more reluctant to fruit moreso than wrapped substrates as well.

I'm not knocking baskets or other expose vessels but I much prefer wrapped for these reasons


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18717183 - 08/17/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah actually i thought about the drying out after i made this thread. I had a little bag that i emptied the tupper-basket out into and poked holes into it. I feel it should hold more moisture better. now when i mist it, its harder to get the substrate directly, but should require it less now that its mostly contained within the bag.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18717328 - 08/17/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yup. what I do for those is cut a drainage hole in the bottom and dump water in directly. Just once before each flush generally. It fact, that what you do to get it to fruit again after a brief rest after harvesting


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18719399 - 08/17/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've never dunked any oyster subs after fruiting.  Anyone else do that?  I typically always give them a good spraying.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18730614 - 08/20/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hellooo

I'm still not getting pins. i'm starting to worry a little bit.

I've been soaking the towel and the sheet a couple times a day with a few fanning sessions and multiple misting sessions as well. The mycelium isnt fluffy anymore (the water has started to flatten it). I'm wondering if i need to fan more than 3-4 times a day.

Basically, i've been 'opening' the sheets up, fanning, misting and let it sit like that for maybe 10-15 mintues and then spray some more to bring the RH back up a little bit before i close the sheets. The RH gets as low as 75%-80% and the temps are pretty constant between about 58°F (At night) and about 65°F (During day).


So there is This guide to measuring light using a DSLR (which i can do) to determine if the lighting is sufficient according to stamets. I'm wondering if that is worthwhile. I also read about a plastic bag as a humidity tent and direct sunlight (RR said that on a post from november some years ago), which i'm afraid to do because direct sunlight in a bag might be too warm right now (its about 75-80°F during the day). If i did use a plastic bag does it need to be clear? or would a 'white' (translucent) bag suffice -- like a grocery bag.

I'm only getting worried/impatient because i fear mold will start growing, or something else might happen that prevents fruiting (if not, i'm willing to just keep this routine until september months, but i have a STRONG feeling these oysters shouldnt be this stubborn...)

I'll also refer to this post where he states the RH and the temp (which is really similar to mine, if not more undesirable).... so.... it must be light????

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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18730738 - 08/20/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Did i speak too soon?

so they're only pinning on the top where the mycelium has been 'flattened' from my misting. would it be wise to mist the sides more 'directly' to help get them the same about as the top pins?


First small cluster i saw.



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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18731283 - 08/20/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

See, no need to overthink the oysters :smile:


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Forrester]
    #18744022 - 08/22/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So, things have been going great over the pasttwo and a half days!

Below i've attached a couple images of where i'm at and i'm very happy. I have 4 of these baskets total and 1 is also coming along, another is pinning and the last one i put in is still pending.

So, looking at the images below, how do i know when to harvest? I see some people with huge oysters but because these are all cloned from a cluster that wasnt particularly massive, i am wondering what i should look for when deciding harvest, aside from comparing these clusters to the cluster i cloned from.

My guess on deciding maturity is when the cap changes from a dark grey to a lighter brownish color and possibly slightly larger. Aside from that i have no idea what the keys to look for are.

Thanks guys. i'm really happy and cant wait to snack on these luscious suckers. Its been painful trying not to touch them and love them like the babies that they are, but i have refrained!!

two shots from the same day. Different angles.




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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18744040 - 08/22/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Don't let the caps flatten out.  From the looks of your pics they are not going to get huge.  They are probably going to be ready really soon, like less than a day or so.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Jeff]
    #18744109 - 08/22/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

very interesting. I'll probably print one so i can possibly get a more robust strain from it.

its crazy, only about 3 days after pin and they're good to go! :laugh:


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18744201 - 08/22/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18744298 - 08/22/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

so, question. when i harvest these guys do i just harvest the mature ones and let the other ones grow? I feel like that might not be true. once a 'good enough' amount of them are mature i should clear the whole basket and wait a week then dunk; is that right? there are holes on the bottom side of the basket and some are growing down there and i'm thinking they still have a bit to grow. so maybe harvest the 'ready' ones tonight, then wait another day or two for the others and clear the basket?

also, i was searching around on the forum about how to tell when to harvest and saw some stuff from RR explaining why some people's flushes suck. I feel mine are 'pretty' healthy, but comparing to RR's, mine seem to have more stem than what could be. Is that the genes, perhaps? Is that conditions? if so what kind? A combination of the two? I know that CO2 makes wonky shapes and the FAE will make coral-esque caps... so i guess the only thing left for my stems would be the genes?

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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18744325 - 08/22/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Long stems are an indication of high CO2.  You probably looked at extremes though.  Coral grows are what I would call worst case. 

Harvest as they mature.  No need to do the whole block at once.  Let the smaller ones grow out.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Jeff]
    #18744469 - 08/22/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

oh wow i fanned them frequently (or so i thought). i'll make sure to fan more often.

is there such thing as TOO much misting? I assume not, my mushroom baskets look like they're in the middle of a rainstorm 24/7. i try to mist heavily so that the water gets deep into the basket, and i try to at least lightly mist the fruits as i see them lacking glossiness.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18744554 - 08/22/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You won't want them overly wet near harvest time for preservation's sake.  Standing water and too much wetness seems to encourage bacterial development too.
  Just find balance.

With oysters, during fruiting, it doesn't seem to be about fanning as much as constant airflow, even if slight. They reach out in any stuffiness. I use a GH with unzipped doors but the best thing for it in my case is the drafty garage its in, with outdoor air wafting.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18744567 - 08/22/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

hmm okay. in the day it still reaches pretty warm temps for these guys and i fear the mycelium drying out, which i read is oyster pet-peeves so i dont wanna do that. decisions, decisions. i guess for the next fruits i'll figure something out. maybe i'll cut little circles throughout the sheet so that the air can flow better.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18744605 - 08/22/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sometimes people use those cool mist style humdifiers too, for piping fresh air in.
  I had fun playing McGiver with mine last fall, using a bleach bottle, a vacuum hose, and silicone
to pipe it .


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18749662 - 08/23/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Your environment is outdoors correct?  Jeff is correct about long stems but i'm pretty sure with your fruiting chamber being outdoors that it is likely getting enough fae.  I'm guessing the strain you cloned is of P. pulmonarius with the legnth of the stems.  They do still seem long but not too far off for some P. pulms. i've grown lately and seen others do.  I wonder if it could have something to do with them seeking out more light?  Do you ever crack that sheet?  If not it could be a mix of co2 levels and sunlight.  Best thing to do is keep those things coming and mess with your setup til they're coming out good. Thats the fun part :smile:


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    #18749765 - 08/24/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah i considered what jeff said which might be true.

Since its my first P. grow i had no idea what the parameters were looking like, except temp and humidity. Since i read Jeff's post about the long stems i decided to leave the sheet lifted almost completely during the cooler hours. I may mist more, but the FAE will definitely increase. Keep in mind, i have FOUR of these green things and probably around 8-10lbs of colonized mycelium, so i'm guessing that CO2 could have been better (regardless of the stemmy species).

Here is a photo from what i harvested. i ate one fresh and i have to say, you can taste the quality difference from the day or so old market mushrooms.. the texture was surprisingly better. I then cooked them with some garlic powder, butter and pepper and the taste is a lot different, and very, very yummy.

Here is a photo of what i harvested, i'll try to get a shot of what i have now (new mushrooms to be harvested soon). But, i cant upload too many more new pics because i'm working on an ID thread (nudge nudge, check it out!! :laugh:)






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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18750820 - 08/24/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Congratulations!  Looks like they grew to a fair size :smile:


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    #18784059 - 09/01/13 03:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So i dont have pics of all the mushrooms i got but i'd say for a first yield, combined, i probably got around 2lbs fresh mushrooms from all four baskets.

they're drying out right now and i will dunk and start over, soon. I have another basket (larger) that should be ready in the next day or two and i'll be putting that out as well. There isnt much room for it so i'm probably going to stack those green baskets (take the straw out of one and put it on another) and then have my bigger blue basket somehow sitting in there (its kinda too large).

Here are the last photos i have (none of all my mushrooms, sorry!) and a time lapse at the end! I need to work on my time lapse.... wompwomp





Enjoy. i may update this later when my blue basket fruits. hopefully it will have larger fruits. (more substrate = more/bigger fruits, right? aside from genetics of course)....

Also, on my new basket, since its bigger (ill upload pics in a few days) is there a better way to 'water' it other than misting? I dont think misting will penetrate it well enough. Its about 1/3 the size of the basket used by RR in his video.


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Re: Oysters aren't pinning -- what to do? [Re: psilocybebonsai]
    #18784303 - 09/01/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's awesome I love the timelapse.  I've been wanting to do one of those since I started growing but still haven't.

Yeah in my experience larger substrates are more likely to give larger fruits.  That's why I love 5 gallon buckets for oysters.  (when I can fruit them outside)


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