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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire] 1
#18714827 - 08/16/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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withoutawire said: I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.
I have nothing to add, just wanna say they are nothing new.
We've been butane blasting for the past 10 years, I know some older hippies from bellingham who have been making bho for 25 years.
The only thing that's new is the fad since high times decided to start jumping all over it.
And yes, people can get pretty fiendish with their oil, but theres nothing new about people abusing drugs or thc Fiends gonna be fiendin
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Lynnch]
#18714828 - 08/16/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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The degree of alcoholism caused by distilled liquor was a new thing when it hit the scene in England, I think it was during the Renaissance.
There's a pair of paintings. One is called "Gin Alley" where it shows destitute alcoholics suffering from the new blight, and one called "Beer Lane" where the healthy wealthy beer-drinking alcoholics are feelin' fine and dandy.
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Same shit, right? Yes and no.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Street_and_Gin_Lane
Be sure to read the history.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: ganjfather]
#18714842 - 08/16/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya I agree. Fiends will be fiends. Some people just do it to do it. Oil or concentrates aren't new at all. It's just recently gotten "popular", so all the fiends come out.
I'm a crazy fucking weed smoker but I'm not doing dabs 24/7 because even if I smoke in extreme excess I know moderation.
But comparing it to crack or heroin, no not really. The day someone overdoses and DIES from smoking weed, then you can compare it to crack or heroin.
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Oh, this might be more directly relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Craze 
And that wasn't even caused by greater purity, it was just caused by less flavor.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Shroomism]
#18714852 - 08/16/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Ya I agree. Fiends will be fiends. Some people just do it to do it. Oil or concentrates aren't new at all. It's just recently gotten "popular", so all the fiends come out.
I'm a crazy fucking weed smoker but I'm not doing dabs 24/7 because even if I smoke in extreme excess I know moderation.
But comparing it to crack or heroin, no not really. The day someone overdoses and DIES from smoking weed, then you can compare it to crack or heroin.
I've never heard of people unable to eat from weed, but apparently it can be caused by dabs. Concentration and availability makes a huge difference, and a lot of those fiends would have never heard of dabs if not for the popularity.
I think it's an overreaction to consider it "as bad" as crack or heroin but the trend is the same, purer refinements of drugs lead to unexpected new problems and weed isn't an exception.
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OP has a valid point, to an extent. Although for me, it's not so much the "breed" of stoner that he's assuming dabs are leading way towards (the 'crackhead' of weed smoking), but the negative associations such a inherently crazy-looking process implies to a drug ignorant third party.
Because THAT'S the problem. It's not that dabs will kill anyone, or turn someone into a zombie, or create a class of parent-leeching 40 year olds. It's that marijuana decriminalization/legalization has been touted as something that just seems obvious. We've been saying "look. its just weed. people have been smoking it forever. it's not addictive and it's less harmful to your body than so many other legal things". People have a hard time arguing with that train of thought...
...but now we've taken a one-pace step towards the "full legalization" line, and all of a sudden it's not just "smoking pot" anymore. It's this fucking process whereby some guy uses what seems like a college-grade chemistry set to ingest some substance that looks nothing like the cute flowery plant that the legalization proponents have been pushing.

And it's the negative connotations that ignorant people hold towards hard drugs that make these implications worrying - as we AREN'T federally decriminalized yet. All the opponents of federal legalization would have to do is demonize these concentrates and these processes as the obvious and inherent continuation of the legalization trend. To show that medical marijuana legalization is, in fact a slippery slope towards crazier things, and they could squash our dreams.
So i think that's where OP was coming from. And I think it's a legit train of thought to entertain.
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I see your point but it's still a major stretch, they are two COMPLETELY different categories of drugs.
I would really like to know how dabs alone, shut down someone's digestive track, because that's not really possible IME. How does he know that was the SOLE FACTOR? I call BS on that one. Diet and environment HAD to be a factor as well, possibly other medications.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Shroomism]
#18714883 - 08/16/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I see your point but it's still a major stretch, they are two COMPLETELY different categories of drugs.
I would really like to know how dabs alone, shut down someone's digestive track, because that's not really possible IME. How does he know that was the SOLE FACTOR? I call BS on that one. Diet and environment HAD to be a factor as well, possibly other medications.
Absolutely. There's no way in hell that properly purged oil can do any more damage than the marijuana flower can. In fact, since you are not ingesting plant matter, it is much healthier for you.
Now if the oil you were smoking was not made properly, it's possible that was the cause.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Shroomism]
#18714884 - 08/16/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wish you could've seen this guy I knew in action, he would dry-heave so epically and for so long after taking his hit. It got to the point where I just couldn't smoke with him anymore. I don't chill with a person to listen to them dry-heaving.
It's hard to imagine our gentle weed could cause serious problems for anybody, but it's true. I don't blame the weed, though.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: memes] 1
#18714891 - 08/16/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah as soon as things start looking good for legalization they have to find another way to attack marijuana and now wax is getting the same negative press as good ol weed did during the reefer madness days.
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I didn't say I didn't believe your story. I know people can become straight up fiends over weed, that is not the point.
Smoking so much oil you dry heave and puke is one thing. Claiming it shut down your entire digestive tract is a whole other.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Shroomism]
#18714896 - 08/16/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I didn't say I didn't believe your story. I know people can become straight up fiends over weed, that is not the point.
Smoking so much oil you dry heave and puke is one thing. Claiming it shut down your entire digestive tract is a whole other.
If you just stop eating because you can't get a bite in edgewise with all the dry heaving...
I don't get it either, man.
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But ya, I have seen people exhibiting crackhead-like behavior towards weed before, for sure.
Any drugs can be that way really. I'm just calling BS on the "it seriously harms you" part.
Pot, even when HEAVILY abused at the highest concentrations, it's pretty benign compared to anything else. Unless as mentioned... we are also talking about adulterants that cant always be accounted for
Thousands and thousands of years of recorded history, hash is nothing new. honeycomb and earwax or whatever is just a further refinement, nothing that much crazier.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Shroomism]
#18714956 - 08/16/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: I've never heard of people unable to eat from weed, but apparently it can be caused by dabs. Concentration and availability makes a huge difference, and a lot of those fiends would have never heard of dabs if not for the popularity.
I think it's an overreaction to consider it "as bad" as crack or heroin but the trend is the same, purer refinements of drugs lead to unexpected new problems and weed isn't an exception.
It's not that you "can't" eat, it's that your digestive track essentially stops, so whatever you eat spoils within your stomach, and you must vomit it up. In no way are dabs as bad as crack or something harder, but without using moderation, you can become very ill.
I almost ended up in a coma from it. Who would have guessed?Quote:
Shroomism said: I see your point but it's still a major stretch, they are two COMPLETELY different categories of drugs.
I would really like to know how dabs alone, shut down someone's digestive track, because that's not really possible IME. How does he know that was the SOLE FACTOR? I call BS on that one. Diet and environment HAD to be a factor as well, possibly other medications.
And I know that I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I've had dozens of test run on me in the last 6 months. I've spent days at a time in the hospital. I've had cameras in both ends multiple times. My diet is the same as it ever was. I do not take any medications.
Abusing dabs WAS and IS the sole reason I became so ill. You try smoking a gram of oil a day and tell me it doesn't start fucking with your insides. I had so much THC in my system that my brain could no long produce the chemicals it needed in order to communicate with my digestive system. There have been hundreds of cases of this happening to young adults with medical cards, or who abuse pot in general.
Australia is leading the study on it right now. Dabs do not contain all the cannabinoids that normal flowers do. THC is mostly extracted when using a butane extraction. Now when you go from smoking flower at 20% to dabs at 90%, you are ingesting 4.5 times as much THC in a single sitting. Combine that with multiple sitting throughout the day, and you have a THC overload.
And I know damn well that my wax was purged all the way. I've been making it for quite some time, and if the Dispensary thinks its worth selling at $220 a gram, I must make some pretty good shit.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
#18714963 - 08/16/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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withoutawire said: I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.
alcoholism wasn't really much recorded throughout history when people were drinking beer, cider, and wine It was heard of but didn't really have any impact or influence on society,. Then they started using grains to produce whiskey and other liquors and suddenly alcoholism was something that actually effected people. Bars/saloons came under much public scrutiny because they were places people went to go get trashed.
I think dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana. Eight-ten years ago I heard of people being pot heads but never marijuana addicts. Now I see all these people smoking concentrates through things like dabs and getting absolutely trashed. Now longer is it about taking the edge off, but getting as fucked up as possible. Throw synthetic cannibinoids into the picture and now marijuana products can be on the border of soft and hard drug for some people. There is an entire group who are all about getting wasted off marijuana and honestly they look like crack heads. They use a torch to heat up a metal plate and then drop a little rock on said plate so it vaporizes. It's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction. Dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana for some who go down that path.
I don't know if that's good or bad. I'm not saying it is one or the other, but i'm definitely seeing a transformation how marijuana is being used. We now have the ability change marijuana from mild psychedelic/relaxant to powerful intoxicant that gets people absolutely fucked up.
Just take a smaller dab if you are getting too trashed its just really good hash, you just need to control the dose more carefully...also stick to solventless or really well purged shit
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714976 - 08/16/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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HeyImShroomy said: Abusing dabs WAS and IS the sole reason I became so ill. You try smoking a gram of oil a day and tell me it doesn't start fucking with your insides. I had so much THC in my system that my brain could no long produce the chemicals it needed in order to communicate with my digestive system. There have been hundreds of cases of this happening to young adults with medical cards, or who abuse pot in general.
Australia is leading the study on it right now.
Got links? I didn't know about this but my brother hangs in the gram-dab crowds.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: ChinChiller] 2
#18714986 - 08/16/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol I don't see the big deal. I smoke a cone and I'm "trashed." Everytime. I thought that was the point of drugs
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714990 - 08/16/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm sorry but I just have a really hard time believing you. I have tons of anecdotal stories too. I have friends who smoked more oil than you and are perfectly fine. I wouldn't recommend smoking that much, but there must have been other factors involved. I would really like to see these studies.
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pwnasaurus] 1
#18715023 - 08/16/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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learning sponge said: but I in absolutely no fucking way thing concetrates such as dabs be banned or made illegal fuck that!if people want dabs let em I just prefer flowers myself!
This isn't even English.
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You really couldn't figure out that he meant to say "think" instead of "thing"? Nd that he meant to say "should" instead of dabs and be?
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