|
withoutawire
hi


Registered: 08/16/09
Posts: 11,384
Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii
Last seen: 8 months, 9 days
|
Re: I'm Addicted... [Re: mpd] 1
#18714488 - 08/16/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
mpd said: I am addicted to drugs because I have no compunction whatsoever about catching a buzz before, during or after work.
What proves you are an addict?
YAY I love this thread. I identify as an alcoholic/addict and I think my definition is really applicable and rounds off the rigidness and resistance I see people express with this topic because it's a shade of grey not black/white.
Often the physical need to have a bowl of weed to get a good nights sleep or 1.5 glasses of wine for mental relief and without that little bit a person can get kind of crazy. Just because they are dependent at some level it does not make them an addict. Someone who needs to smoke weed every day or else they will get anxiety/panic doesn't make them an addict. It makes them dependent at some level but that is totally different than drug addiction.
What makes me an addict is that when I control my drug use I am not enjoying myself. And, in order for me to enjoy my drug use I don't try controlling how much I consume.
So yes, I can smoke A bowl or have 2 drinks but the noise in my brain is really loud and the craving to have more unpleasant enough that it is stronger than the effects of the drugs/alcohol. Then for me to have a good time with drugs and alcohol I consume amounts to black out, nod, stay up for days, etc and lose the ability to make good decisions because I'm so intoxicated. Then the consequences from being in that constant state of wasted and fucked up- not going to class, skipping out on certain things to get drugs or because I'm hung over, driving drunk, being miserable unless I am in a state of highly intoxicated euphoria, losing a GF, or simply being confused about my status as someone when consumes drugs/alcohol etc. ARE the consequences and feelings that make me an addict/alcoholic.
--------------------
|
Magicman69
All About the Benjamins



Registered: 05/29/13
Posts: 6,876
|
|
An addict is someone who repeteadly uses drugs despite the negative effects they're causing. Compulsive thinking about your next high, stealing to support drugs,partaking in risky behaviors all are addict behaviors.
|
withoutawire
hi


Registered: 08/16/09
Posts: 11,384
Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii
Last seen: 8 months, 9 days
|
|
Quote:
morrowasted said: youre addicted if you can stop or cut back even tho you want to
I completely disagree. My father has had 1-2 drinks every night for 35 years. I have seen him have more than that about four times in my life and I've never seen him have more than five or six. He could not function or sleep right and his body would have withdrawal effects if he didn't have his large glass of white wine or two smaller ones. Does that make him an alcoholic? I would say absolutely not. He would like to stop drinking but can't because he's a doctor and would literally have to stop going to work for ten days to recover.
Quote:
Magicman69 said: An addict is someone who repeteadly uses drugs despite the negative effects they're causing. Compulsive thinking about your next high, stealing to support drugs,partaking in risky behaviors all are addict behaviors.
^^^^ is sort of what i said in my post above but I explained it in depth a little, because I do have the ability to control my using but when I do I am absolutely miserable and obsessive.
--------------------
|
Dr.Dankhead
Uhh...doctor gonzo?



Registered: 03/29/13
Posts: 5,187
Loc: Breathing down your neck
|
|
Quote:
Magicman69 said: An addict is someone who repeteadly uses drugs despite the negative effects they're causing. Compulsive thinking about your next high, stealing to support drugs,partaking in risky behaviors all are addict behaviors.
Thanks dr. phil, for the description of what i am, in case i ever forgot i was addicted to something
Honestly, a drug addict, is someone who can't stop... And the negative effects from it span from the individual using, to his friends and family.....
Doesn't always mean they'll steal, (although extremely likely).. Some do, I'm not about that..
I know for a fact i can't quit right now, but I've never EVER taken a dime from anyone, especially to use it for substances..
Maybe i do use for some underlying mental issues, but the thinking about my next high... That's the key there.
Even after a line, i still wonder when I'm gunna do more and if i should do all i have now, or conserve and have some for tomorrow... But I always end up doin it all.good thread but seriously for those of who who arnt addicted, don't even try to give advice.. Unless you've been in that persons shoes, you can't real give advice..
Other friends say, "we'll why don't you just quit, man?"
On that's great advice thanks...
My brothers addicted to meth hardcore, me, opiates...
His addiction far exceeds mine, becaus he steals, he commits crimes, and he searches the floor for rocks after his dealer comes and goes..
It's sad seeing my brother deteriorate over drugs..
It all comes down to mental will... Forcing yourself to do something you don't want to.. Fortunately enough i was born with the will, and morels to never steal, always respect women, and respect and listen to elders.
My brother wasn't... He steals. Cheats, lies compulsively, and doesn't care about anything but himself and his drug. Although I've been experimenting with various drugs much longer than him, when he got hooked on meth, his addiction took over his life and mental will..
Somehow me after nonstop pill use everyday for 3/4 years.. My addiction is tamed..
No drug will make me steal, and burgluarize, or search the carpet for chunks of shit..
I'm glad you made this threads it feels good to get that off my mind, and explain it to someone..
Whats left of My whole family, is addicted to something, so i don't talk to them about issues like this.
--------------------
**need a check up?** **im a Doctor**
         i sometimes wish I was a wormy, wiggling all in the cold dirt...tickle tackle pickle dickle think a mackshift thought of broken words broken gears and words of conundrums..I'm not a weiner doctor so take that shit to dr. Gonz free boob inplant consultations.. Photo required
|
kr0nik0
Ole' Salty



Registered: 02/13/12
Posts: 17,756
Loc: Western Slope, CO
|
|
Withdrawals.
Stealing or doing other unkind things to get money for more drugs.
Waking up every morning and your first thought is about your drug of choice. (how much you have left, how you're going to get more)
That pretty much sums up addiction to me. Having been there a few times with opiates, it's truly a shitty life. I'll be an addict for the rest of my life, there's no way around that. I've been clean for 8 years now, but not a week goes by where I still don't think about the drugs I was addicted to.
--------------------
“[...]the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”
|
withoutawire
hi


Registered: 08/16/09
Posts: 11,384
Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii
Last seen: 8 months, 9 days
|
|
Once again I don't think the definition of an addict is someone who can't stop. As I explained my dad needs his 1-2 glasses of alcohol or he will be miserable but in my 22 years of being alive he's never skipped a night and i've seen him drink more than 2 drinks a handful of times.
I know A LOT of shroomerites who wouldn't be able to sleep right and would be extremely irritable and discontent if they stopped smoking weed so when they do try to stop it lasts a couple weeks or they choose not to stop at all. Does this dependence make them an alcoholic/addict? No.
Alcoholics and addicts are people who continue to use drugs and alcohol despite to consequences. I don't think a daily weed smoker who can't stop smoking for for than 7-14 days is a marijuana addict. I think a marijuana addict is someone who continues to smoke weed while on probation after getting a dui for being stoned and driving. A marijuana addict would also be someone who got arrested for selling weed yet they continue to smoke while on bail and drive around with weed. So the inability to stop is definitely an influencing factor, but really there is more to it than a bio-chemical dependence on the drug.
--------------------
|
Dr.Dankhead
Uhh...doctor gonzo?



Registered: 03/29/13
Posts: 5,187
Loc: Breathing down your neck
|
|
Quote:
withoutawire said: Once again I don't think the definition of an addict is someone who can't stop. As I explained my dad needs his 1-2 glasses of alcohol or he will be miserable but in my 22 years of being alive he's never skipped a night and i've seen him drink more than 2 drinks a handful of times.
I know A LOT of shroomerites who wouldn't be able to sleep right and would be extremely irritable and discontent if they stopped smoking weed so when they do try to stop it lasts a couple weeks or they choose not to stop at all. Does this dependence make them an alcoholic/addict? No.
Alcoholics and addicts are people who continue to use drugs and alcohol despite to consequences. I don't think a daily weed smoker who can't stop smoking for for than 7-14 days is a marijuana addict. I think a marijuana addict is someone who continues to smoke weed while on probation after getting a dui for being stoned and driving. A marijuana addict would also be someone who got arrested for selling weed yet they continue to smoke while on bail and drive around with weed. So the inability to stop is definitely an influencing factor, but really there is more to it than a bio-chemical dependence on the drug.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, right?..
That's yours.
--------------------
**need a check up?** **im a Doctor**
         i sometimes wish I was a wormy, wiggling all in the cold dirt...tickle tackle pickle dickle think a mackshift thought of broken words broken gears and words of conundrums..I'm not a weiner doctor so take that shit to dr. Gonz free boob inplant consultations.. Photo required
|
withoutawire
hi


Registered: 08/16/09
Posts: 11,384
Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii
Last seen: 8 months, 9 days
|
|
No I am talking about the widely accepted medical view of what an alcoholic or addict is. Dependence on a substance doesn't make someone an addict/alcoholic. By that idea a chronic pain patient is an addict, yet they aren't stealing-robbing-selling drugs- or getting high of their supply. They are dependent though. Alcoholics and addicts use drugs to cope with feelings of fear, shame, guilt, etc. Someone dependent is simply chemically dependent. That does not make them alcoholic or an addict. There are a lot of people in this country who are hard drinkers who have a six pack every night yet they go to work, they have healthy relationships, they are happy people etc. Those people are not alcoholics.
--------------------
|
fapjack
Title



Registered: 07/26/07
Posts: 16,574
Loc: Central New Jersey
Last seen: 3 years, 11 months
|
Re: I'm Addicted... [Re: mpd]
#18715987 - 08/16/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
When drugs make your life overall harder to live and a less pleasant experience all around, but you can't stop using them. Then, you generally have a drug problem. It doesn't have to destroy your life either, i know plenty of drunks that function fine and love getting drunk, but would probably be a lot better off if they stopped (me included.) Fuck it though, its what I want to do with myself.
--------------------
|
Sophistic Radiance
Free sVs!



Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
|
|
Quote:
withoutawire said: No I am talking about the widely accepted medical view of what an alcoholic or addict is. Dependence on a substance doesn't make someone an addict/alcoholic. By that idea a chronic pain patient is an addict, yet they aren't stealing-robbing-selling drugs- or getting high of their supply. They are dependent though. Alcoholics and addicts use drugs to cope with feelings of fear, shame, guilt, etc. Someone dependent is simply chemically dependent. That does not make them alcoholic or an addict. There are a lot of people in this country who are hard drinkers who have a six pack every night yet they go to work, they have healthy relationships, they are happy people etc. Those people are not alcoholics.
When you put it that way, that six pack sounds real good.
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
|
goldcaphunter
EMS Medic



Registered: 07/29/12
Posts: 7,432
Loc: Massachusetts
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
|
Re: I'm Addicted... [Re: mpd]
#18716163 - 08/16/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I guess I qualify as an addict in the way that I'll take anything that knocks me on my ass until I'm numb
--------------------
  The picture to the far left is a reminder to our users to stay safe and healthy, that's my third open heart surgery due to over use of amps. Stay safe kiddos
|
blackglass6219
Stranger

Registered: 07/20/13
Posts: 239
Last seen: 9 years, 3 days
|
|
i think i may be slightly mentally addicted to marijuana. i use it 6-7 nights a week, and on days i have off. i guess it's a habitual thing by now. great for sleep, though
--------------------
|
morrowasted
Worldwide Stepper



Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,378
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 17 days, 14 hours
|
|
Quote:
Dr.Dankhead said:
Quote:
withoutawire said: Once again I don't think the definition of an addict is someone who can't stop. As I explained my dad needs his 1-2 glasses of alcohol or he will be miserable but in my 22 years of being alive he's never skipped a night and i've seen him drink more than 2 drinks a handful of times.
I know A LOT of shroomerites who wouldn't be able to sleep right and would be extremely irritable and discontent if they stopped smoking weed so when they do try to stop it lasts a couple weeks or they choose not to stop at all. Does this dependence make them an alcoholic/addict? No.
Alcoholics and addicts are people who continue to use drugs and alcohol despite to consequences. I don't think a daily weed smoker who can't stop smoking for for than 7-14 days is a marijuana addict. I think a marijuana addict is someone who continues to smoke weed while on probation after getting a dui for being stoned and driving. A marijuana addict would also be someone who got arrested for selling weed yet they continue to smoke while on bail and drive around with weed. So the inability to stop is definitely an influencing factor, but really there is more to it than a bio-chemical dependence on the drug.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, right?..
That's yours.
|
Dr.Dankhead
Uhh...doctor gonzo?



Registered: 03/29/13
Posts: 5,187
Loc: Breathing down your neck
|
|
Quote:
morrowasted said:
Quote:
Dr.Dankhead said:
Quote:
withoutawire said: Once again I don't think the definition of an addict is someone who can't stop. As I explained my dad needs his 1-2 glasses of alcohol or he will be miserable but in my 22 years of being alive he's never skipped a night and i've seen him drink more than 2 drinks a handful of times.
I know A LOT of shroomerites who wouldn't be able to sleep right and would be extremely irritable and discontent if they stopped smoking weed so when they do try to stop it lasts a couple weeks or they choose not to stop at all. Does this dependence make them an alcoholic/addict? No.
Alcoholics and addicts are people who continue to use drugs and alcohol despite to consequences. I don't think a daily weed smoker who can't stop smoking for for than 7-14 days is a marijuana addict. I think a marijuana addict is someone who continues to smoke weed while on probation after getting a dui for being stoned and driving. A marijuana addict would also be someone who got arrested for selling weed yet they continue to smoke while on bail and drive around with weed. So the inability to stop is definitely an influencing factor, but really there is more to it than a bio-chemical dependence on the drug.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, right?..
That's yours.

--------------------
**need a check up?** **im a Doctor**
         i sometimes wish I was a wormy, wiggling all in the cold dirt...tickle tackle pickle dickle think a mackshift thought of broken words broken gears and words of conundrums..I'm not a weiner doctor so take that shit to dr. Gonz free boob inplant consultations.. Photo required
|
GEncore
Authentic



Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 2,654
Loc: Buenos Aires
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
|
|
I am addicted to weed and cigarettes because when I go one day without them the day feels weird, when I go three or four days everything sucks
Simple. I am addicted to nothing else
--------------------
|
drkkenny
Explorer

Registered: 10/13/11
Posts: 1,440
Loc: Down a well
Last seen: 5 years, 9 months
|
Re: I'm Addicted... [Re: mpd]
#18719052 - 08/17/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
You shouldn't smoke at work, but instead smoke before you get to work that way you can be assured none of the managers will find out you smoke. I remember I use to smoke on the side of my old job til the customers would request me in the front. Thankfully I would finish my cig before they ordered something and wanted to have my job taken away. To me that is clear proof its not dominating my entire life, if I needed to take a bowl of weed to work I would feel it was, but thus, I am without the conviction that it is interrupting my life in anyway. If you need to constantly be taking drugs in order to instill some kind of high that could change your sober form then perhaps you could be considered an addict. Addicts come in many different forms but you can sometimes spot them if you are looking out for them. I personally can spot a junkie a mile away, and once I identify them as a junkie I will usually stay away. I'm thinking of a much different addiction then what some of you may be thinking, and because of that we may assume that there is a fine distinction from a junkie and a person that smokes weed. I don't know maybe you can answer this question because I can't decide on what should be official termed an "addict".
--------------------
No More Stories Are Told Today, I'm Sorry They Washed Away // No More Stories, The World Is Grey, I'm Tired, Let's Wash Away. God 2 read 10932148 Unread messages
|
GEncore
Authentic



Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 2,654
Loc: Buenos Aires
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
|
Re: I'm Addicted... [Re: drkkenny]
#18719072 - 08/17/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
withoutawire has a point though. I dont know if me or people in my situation are addicts. It's hard for me to stop smoking because of the drug, sure but also because I dont have enough reasons to stop. I like to take breaks to get some mind clarity back and save dough but thats it. If I was on probation I'm 99% sure I wouldn't smoke so I dunno if I'm an addict
--------------------
|
abltsandwich
JFK = Jelly Donut




Registered: 06/16/09
Posts: 11,537
Loc: Dildoville
|
|
Quote:
withoutawire said: No I am talking about the widely accepted medical view of what an alcoholic or addict is. Dependence on a substance doesn't make someone an addict/alcoholic. By that idea a chronic pain patient is an addict, yet they aren't stealing-robbing-selling drugs- or getting high of their supply. They are dependent though. Alcoholics and addicts use drugs to cope with feelings of fear, shame, guilt, etc. Someone dependent is simply chemically dependent. That does not make them alcoholic or an addict. There are a lot of people in this country who are hard drinkers who have a six pack every night yet they go to work, they have healthy relationships, they are happy people etc. Those people are not alcoholics.
That picture entirely leaves out the biological/physical attribute of the biopsychosocial model of addiction, which is the "widely accepted medical view of what an addict is." You've got the psychosocial part down though and 2 outta 3 ain't bad amirite?
|
Legend
RIP Sasha



Registered: 03/29/10
Posts: 28,336
Loc: TX
|
|
Quote:
withoutawire said: No I am talking about the widely accepted medical view of what an alcoholic or addict is. Dependence on a substance doesn't make someone an addict/alcoholic. By that idea a chronic pain patient is an addict, yet they aren't stealing-robbing-selling drugs- or getting high of their supply. They are dependent though. Alcoholics and addicts use drugs to cope with feelings of fear, shame, guilt, etc. Someone dependent is simply chemically dependent. That does not make them alcoholic or an addict. There are a lot of people in this country who are hard drinkers who have a six pack every night yet they go to work, they have healthy relationships, they are happy people etc. Those people are not alcoholics.
+5
--------------------
No sympathy for the devil, keep that in mind. [url=]Buy the ticket, take the ride. [/url]Are you lost?
|
|