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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
#18710130 - 08/15/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
#18710147 - 08/15/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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PS: it's not death that causes evolution, either, in my opinion. in my opinion, it's the rock that fell on the apes head as the sky cracked with lightning. death was just a happenstance.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
#18710386 - 08/15/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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What I meant by that was if organisms didn't die of natural causes then evolution as we know it would either be incredibly stunted or not possible. however it's been a while since I studied recombination and mutation.
thus, death enabled the development of consciousness. Not necessarily causing it though.
There I go again projecting that I "know everything" 
cool video though ^
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
#18710402 - 08/15/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL, you freak know it all wannabe who's knowledge holds no bounds, i fucking hate peoplez liek you!!!

and yes, i understood what you meant. i was just saying, before there was an understanding of Death, there was an understanding of equating coincidence with faith. 
the sun the moon the stars... that's ...
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
#18710434 - 08/15/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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It sucks to know this and watch other people take it completely for granted.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Shins]
#18710445 - 08/15/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, but you know, we're nihilists.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
#18710704 - 08/15/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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NWlight said: What I meant by that was if organisms didn't die of natural causes then evolution as we know it would either be incredibly stunted or not possible. however it's been a while since I studied recombination and mutation.
thus, death enabled the development of consciousness. Not necessarily causing it though.
There I go again projecting that I "know everything" 
cool video though ^ 
Even if there wasn't death evolution would continue as normal with each iteration/generation. It's just that the weaker links that would have otherwise died off won't, and will simply become physically or mentally obsolete, in a few million years. Imo the hugeness of the universe would imply that we are not all that special. I bet there is a planet out there that is almost indistinguishable from Earth, with life that looks very much like our own.
As unlikely as it all seems, there are billions of planets out there without complex lifeforms.
Edited by Thisfire (08/15/13 06:39 PM)
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18710719 - 08/15/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is the kinda shit I have always pondered ever since I was a child. I must have really bewildered the adults around me.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Thisfire]
#18710744 - 08/15/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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and the obsolete wouldn't evolve leaving "evolution" to persist; but then it wouldn't really be evolution, would it?
this is why nothingness is pretty insistent.. because without it, there would be no space for anything.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: nicechrisman]
#18710748 - 08/15/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe you only live once, but our souls are eternal. I try to make the most out of everyday and enjoy myself while helping others when I can. Life can be a rollercoaster at times but things will level out eventually.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: nicechrisman]
#18710761 - 08/15/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Even if there wasn't death evolution would continue as normal with each iteration/generation. It's just that the weaker links that would have otherwise died off won'
I suppose that sounds possible.
Wouldn't it happen astronomically more slowly though because of the previous generations competing for resources?
Once an ecosystem reached its carrying capacity I don't see how there would be much more development and/or room for new offspring.
edit: or perhaps the new offspring would NECESSARILY randomly starve out the parent generation, causing even more rapid evolution????
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
#18710782 - 08/15/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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and then death, but in this hypothetical situation, there is no "death". so what would happen after resources are gone? (space, mainly, because food obviously wouldn't be "problem")
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
#18710794 - 08/15/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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dude I literally edited my post and then saw that.
do you think it is truly possible???
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
#18710819 - 08/15/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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that successive generations would cremate and annihilate the previous generations existence, to allow for more room in the universe of no death? yes. that sounds plausible. eventually, maybe from this source of existence, intelligent life is striving to find a way to die? maybe they find some psychological means to death, but technically, unless you're "gone" completely, you're not "dead" still. but if you were replaced, that might be something like "dying but not dying."
fuck, watch Kaiba, this conversation is starting to sound like that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiba
but yeah to summarize. death needs to happen. there is nothing beyond death. there might be things outside of "life" as we know it, but not death. death means "was once one, and is now all". being able to exterminate a things existence, without it "dying" and would mean it was inanimate. a person? no, it could technically be "dead" but it's not gone... it's going to rot into many things until it's just consumed as worm food. if it was really Gone, then it would have never had room to exist anyways. cause Death has to exist, and there can be nothing beyond it.
if religious people can use this argument for proving the existence of God, then... why not make the argument for death? after all, it's what influenced people to believe in any "God" in the first place.
Edited by akira_akuma (08/15/13 07:15 PM)
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18710820 - 08/15/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Envix said: my girlfriend's parents met at a mcdonalds. my parents met at a grateful dead show.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
#18713407 - 08/16/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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you say there is nothing beyond death, but what was your existence before you were born?
were you...
nothing?
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18714389 - 08/16/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Envix said: you say there is nothing beyond death, but what was your existence before you were born?
were you...
nothing?
yeah, nothingness. then i went from cells to a fetus, to a babe to the person i am today. all from a sperm and some egg in my mother. i guess that's not nothing, right? but before, that happened, i was nothing. i wasn't anything.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#18716305 - 08/16/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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this is because what defines us is our experience with the play of consciousness in a cognitive realm of existence. with no reference point, a baby is basically a default-mode person with no programming aside from what it came with - basic functions, eating, shitting, peeing, vomiting, crying, grasping, kicking, etc
once we become programmed (learn language), then we begin to use language to define who we are, because we find this fascinating.
we don't remember this, because we are not used to the reference point of the default programming anymore (unless you take some sort of system-reboot drug like dmt or mushrooms)
however, we can even go back to before we were babies, before we were fetuses, to when we were a congregation of cells and goo. cells and goo which seem to run on some sort of programming of their own, but as a collective, as a group, will then come together to form higher orders of programming in higher order systems of processing through the instructions of the genetic code.
to tissue structures, to organ systems and bone systems and all the other systems, to a fully formed human structure. with the nervous system, the foundation of cognitive functions, developing over time through experiential cognitive processes (aka "life experiences")
our brains form patterns of archetypes and symbols, all built as a mental metropolis which defines our existence as an individual cognitive construct (person). this metropolis is full of memories, and fantasies, and dreams, and expectations, and fears, and language, and art, and beliefs, and habits, and friends, and teachers, and family, and enemies, objects, and sensations, and lights, and colors, and feelings, and associations, and systems upon systems upon systems upon systems
cybernetics
anyway, i think we were never really nothingness at all, just existing in different forms which we can't any longer remember, in other realms of existence (such as sperm realm, or chemical realm, or molecular realm, or atomic realm, or even a realm of pure energy, idk.
all i know is the realm i'm in now is changing constantly. and so i assume that everything changes constantly, and nothing can stay the same for ever. there are too many realms for that. too many infinities.
i was gonna write more about genetics and dna in there too, and epigenetics. but i'm not sure where to throw it in, and i cant think now cuz im too high. but i think genetics and experiential conditioning both play a role in how the course of your life may unfold, and what kind of person you may become
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18716385 - 08/16/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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you also gotta factor in time and space into the equation. everyone we know experiences time and space differently from us. in that sense we are completely separated by time and space. unless someone can imbue their consciousness into your body, no one will ever see anything from your perspective, truly. and even then, it will still be from their perspective. their perspective experiencing your perspective.
what really defines us is our built-up neural connections, which are expressed as that mental metropolis i talked about earlier. everything of the subconscious, basically.
on different temporal and spatial localities, we all experience from our own perspectives, and our own built-up personalities. from our vantage points, we write the story of existence from our own perspective. and together we create the collective metropolis, building it together with more and more systems, structures, and "memes". everything has its part in the system. even the squirrels play a role in all this.
cybernetics
seemingly existing outside of time, our world seemingly shapes itself, despite its inhabitants living in completely separated and isolated dimensions of temporal and spatial locality.
this makes me believe that time and space are properties of consciousness itself.
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