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DeadHearts

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The risks of getting vaccinated??
#18714058 - 08/16/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Got into a debate with a friend yesterday and at one point I just couldn't go on because of the lack of knowledge on the subject.
Kind of a hot topic these days but does anyone know where I can get some solid info about this? Many say you must get vaccinated or the entire "heard" is at risk. Many others say getting vaccinated causes health problems down the road IE autism in children and other things.
Are Big phrama and government just sucking money out of people and or keeping them sick to keep the cash rolling in. Or SHOULD everyone be gettings these shots for the better good of us all??
Where do I stand? As said above Im not very well versed but you should deff have the choice. I don't think its the best idea to blind get these shots because some asshats say you should. It is my understanding that many don't want you to even have the choice and are trying to make it a crime to deny vaccines to you and especially your children.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714098 - 08/16/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Idk how I feel about this kind of stuff anymore. All I do know is last year I didn't get a flu shot, and I ended up w the flu for two weeks.
This year imma get it because I felt like death for those two weeks lol
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#18714113 - 08/16/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't personally have much knowledge on the subject, but I have a friend who is a pharmacists and she recommends NOT getting a flu shot. She said that there is all sorts of nasty stuff in the flu vaccine. Weird metals, weird strains of the flu virus.
From what she says, essentially the CDC does a ton of studies to figure out which new evolving strain of the flu will hit us the hardest this season, and then they put those strains into the vaccine to help your body ward it off.
My question is, why the fuck would you want to shoot yourself up with the flu, even if it possibly helps you from catching it. I'd rather get contaminated by grabbing a door handle and my body trying to fight it off naturally.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714119 - 08/16/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dont get shots for pussy shit like the flu, your immune system will be lazier than you are.
But unless you want the measles or TB, I'd get vaccinated.
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DeadHearts

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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714120 - 08/16/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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HeyImShroomy said: I don't personally have much knowledge on the subject, but I have a friend who is a pharmacists and she recommends NOT getting a flu shot. She said that there is all sorts of nasty stuff in the flu vaccine. Weird metals, weird strains of the flu virus.
From what she says, essentially the CDC does a ton of studies to figure out which new evolving strain of the flu will hit us the hardest this season, and then they put those strains into the vaccine to help your body ward it off.
My question is, why the fuck would you want to shoot yourself up with the flu, even if it possibly helps you from catching it. I'd rather get contaminated by grabbing a door handle and my body trying to fight it off naturally.
Indeed, I certainly feel how you do about this.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#18714131 - 08/16/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Dont get shots for pussy shit like the flu, your immune system will be lazier than you are.
But unless you want the measles or TB, I'd get vaccinated.
Or mumps?
It just sounds like a bunch of hyped up fear mongering bullshit to me I have never nor do I know or heard of anyone getting the serious shit they tell us we need and our children need to get these shots for.
Im not saying people do not get the mumps or TB because they obviously do.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714148 - 08/16/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You might want to read books on the subject. Trite forum discussion about complex matters will get you nowhere. One lecturer who was completely against them advised people to read the book, "A Shot in the Dark."
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: s240779]
#18714158 - 08/16/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Da2ra said: You might want to read books on the subject. Trite forum discussion about complex matters will get you nowhere. One lecturer who was completely against them advised people to read the book, "A Shot in the Dark." 
Well thanks for the book recommendation but I will glady post about whatever the fuck I want on here.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714162 - 08/16/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
It just sounds like a bunch of hyped up fear mongering bullshit to me I have never nor do I know or heard of anyone getting the serious shit they tell us we need and our children need to get these shots for.
Im not saying people do not get the mumps or TB because they obviously do.
THIS^^^
With our advances in the medical sciences, we are way beyond giving our children vaccines to ward off those 1 in a million diseases.
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In the United States, a total of 11,182 cases of TB were reported in 2010, of which 670 (6%) cases were among children less than 15 years of age.
That's from the CDC's website. I'd like to see how much the numbers jump up if we stopped giving children vaccines. I have no fear that our medical industry can suffice without the use of vaccines.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714179 - 08/16/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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HeyImShroomy said:
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DeadHearts said:
It just sounds like a bunch of hyped up fear mongering bullshit to me I have never nor do I know or heard of anyone getting the serious shit they tell us we need and our children need to get these shots for.
Im not saying people do not get the mumps or TB because they obviously do.
THIS^^^
With our advances in the medical sciences, we are way beyond giving our children vaccines to ward off those 1 in a million diseases.
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In the United States, a total of 11,182 cases of TB were reported in 2010, of which 670 (6%) cases were among children less than 15 years of age.
That's from the CDC's website. I'd like to see how much the numbers jump up if we stopped giving children vaccines. I have no fear that our medical industry can suffice without the use of vaccines.
Apparently that is the argument. Apparently SO MANY people have stopped vaccinating that some of these diseases are making a comeback. Someone mentioned that in the debate I was having. I judt didn't have the info to tell them to fuck off. Could be true. Or are these diseases just mutating?
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts] 4
#18714195 - 08/16/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts] 1
#18714213 - 08/16/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You want to know why those diseases are one in a million? BECAUSE WE STARTED TO VACCINATE FOR THEM. So much facepalm in this thread.
Its so sad and amazing that it's easier to believe that the medical industry is a giant mind control or whateverthefuck conspiracy, but not that it's been working on this shit for hundreds of years and has found vaccines to work.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714215 - 08/16/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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NWlight said: Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being.
Actually, most people who are against vaccination think that vaccines are based on misguided science or an all out conspiracy and that they could be harming their kids. I'm not making any assertions, I'm just telling you what they think.
Personally, I know nothing, but I think that people should give the "conspiracy" literature a chance. Read the entire book and at least asses their arguments. 
You sound really negative. You sound like the people who say that people who do any illegal drug at all have no regard for their health. Well, there's plenty of literature that justifies the use of an illegal drug. And such is the case with anti-vaccine. Whether that literature is based in fact, like I said, I'm not making any postulations. But whether it's true or not, it's out there, and when something is out there, there are people who believe it. So don't say people are disregarding the health of their children when their's information out there that makes them believe that they're actually protecting their children.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight] 1
#18714218 - 08/16/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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HeyImShroomy said:
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DeadHearts said:
It just sounds like a bunch of hyped up fear mongering bullshit to me I have never nor do I know or heard of anyone getting the serious shit they tell us we need and our children need to get these shots for.
Im not saying people do not get the mumps or TB because they obviously do.
THIS^^^
With our advances in the medical sciences, we are way beyond giving our children vaccines to ward off those 1 in a million diseases.
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In the United States, a total of 11,182 cases of TB were reported in 2010, of which 670 (6%) cases were among children less than 15 years of age.
That's from the CDC's website. I'd like to see how much the numbers jump up if we stopped giving children vaccines. I have no fear that our medical industry can suffice without the use of vaccines.
Apparently that is the argument. Apparently SO MANY people have stopped vaccinating that some of these diseases are making a comeback. Someone mentioned that in the debate I was having. I judt didn't have the info to tell them to fuck off. Could be true. Or are these diseases just mutating?
I could just be talking out of my ass, or my pharmacist friend, but this is what I've "heard"
The CDC is constantly fucking with the known viruses in an attempt to mutate them. They could be mutating them to better understand them, or to create weapons, who the fuck knows.
But in my opinion, it's just evolution. We evolved by making drugs to counteract some viruses and bacterial infections, and in return the viruses have to evolve to continue their existence. Now it doesn't help that our government enjoys tampering with nature, because before we know it we will have an uncontainable disease that could possibly destroy us all.
As for me personally, I don't plan on use vaccines anymore. And if I someday have children, I won't allow them to be vaccinated. Hell, the stuff they put in our food is bad enough as it is, best not add anything else on top of that.Quote:
NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Now can you prove, without a doubt, that there is nothing harmful in these vaccines? For all you know, you are pumping your children with toxins, which disgusts me personally. Check your facts, son!
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714232 - 08/16/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Proof?
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Lynnch]
#18714236 - 08/16/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: You want to know why those diseases are one in a million? BECAUSE WE STARTED TO VACCINATE FOR THEM. So much facepalm in this thread.
Its so sad and amazing that it's easier to believe that the medical industry is a giant mind control or whateverthefuck conspiracy, but not that it's been working on this shit for hundreds of years and has found vaccines to work.
Yeah Big Pharma for example is ALWAYS DOING ITS BEST TO KEEP US HEALTHY right? Constantly pushing drugs on us to the point that pharmaceuticals drugs are more abused than all of the street drugs combined.
Put that in your fuckin pipe.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714241 - 08/16/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714283 - 08/16/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Proof?
The opposition is the one making the ridiculous claim. I have no burden of proof to show that 2+2=4
Take a look at the incidence rates of every major illness that we have invented a vaccine for, look at the date the vaccine was invented, and look at the incidence rates of the illness before and after.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714289 - 08/16/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Constantly pushing drugs on us to the point that pharmaceuticals drugs are more abused than all of the street drugs
yes big pharma is forcing the poor helpless innocent people into abusing medication 
personal choice has nothing to do with it?
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight] 1
#18714310 - 08/16/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Constantly pushing drugs on us to the point that pharmaceuticals drugs are more abused than all of the street drugs
yes big pharma is making people abuse medication 
this belongs in board/99
Don't you know, they put drugs in the drugs to make you more addicted to the drugs. It certainly couldn't be that humans excercise poor self-control and constantly avoid taking responsibility for their actions. Much easier to blame something else, like Evil Corporations.
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