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    #18714094 - 08/16/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.

alcoholism wasn't really much recorded throughout history when people were drinking beer, cider, and wine It was heard of but didn't really have any impact or influence on society,. Then they started using grains to produce whiskey and other liquors and suddenly alcoholism was something that actually effected people. Bars/saloons came under much public scrutiny because they were places people went to go get trashed.

I think dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana. Eight-ten years ago I heard of people being pot heads but never marijuana addicts. Now I see all these people smoking concentrates through things like dabs and getting absolutely trashed. Now longer is it about taking the edge off, but getting as fucked up as possible. Throw synthetic cannibinoids into the picture and now marijuana products can be on the border of soft and hard drug for some people. There is an entire group who are all about getting wasted off marijuana and honestly they look like crack heads. They use a torch to heat up a metal plate and then drop a little rock on said plate so it vaporizes. It's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction. Dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana for some who go down that path.

I don't know if that's good or bad. I'm not saying it is one or the other, but i'm definitely seeing a transformation how marijuana is being used. We now have the ability change marijuana from mild psychedelic/relaxant to powerful intoxicant that gets people absolutely fucked up.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714103 - 08/16/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.

alcoholism wasn't really much recorded throughout history when people were drinking beer, cider, and wine It was heard of but didn't really have any impact or influence on society,. Then they started using grains to produce whiskey and other liquors and suddenly alcoholism was something that actually effected people. Bars/saloons came under much public scrutiny because they were places people went to go get trashed.

I think dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana. Eight-ten years ago I heard of people being pot heads but never marijuana addicts. Now I see all these people smoking concentrates through things like dabs and getting absolutely trashed. Now longer is it about taking the edge off, but getting as fucked up as possible. Throw synthetic cannibinoids into the picture and now marijuana products can be on the border of soft and hard drug for some people. There is an entire group who are all about getting wasted off marijuana and honestly they look like crack heads. They use a torch to heat up a metal plate and then drop a little rock on said plate so it vaporizes. It's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction. Dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana for some who go down that path.

I don't know if that's good or bad. I'm not saying it is one or the other, but i'm definitely seeing a transformation how marijuana is being used. We now have the ability change marijuana from mild psychedelic/relaxant to powerful intoxicant that gets people absolutely fucked up.




Dude this is a really good and important point to bring up. Any time I've seen anything about dabs in relation to a person, now that you mention it, it was always like "Yeah, but he was doing dabs man"


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: st1llnox] * 2
    #18714166 - 08/16/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's what they were saying about 'skunk weed' in the uk. "It's a whole new drug, way stronger, can make you insane!!1!"
I see your concern. The shift from getting happy giggly chill with friends to blown out of your mind fucked up isn't something I necessarily condone. But if the safety and addiction profile of the chemical haven't changed, I really don't see the big deal.  People have been smoking hash for a looong time. It might appear to be a harder drug, that doesn't mean it is.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire] * 3
    #18714194 - 08/16/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.

alcoholism wasn't really much recorded throughout history when people were drinking beer, cider, and wine It was heard of but didn't really have any impact or influence on society,. Then they started using grains to produce whiskey and other liquors and suddenly alcoholism was something that actually effected people. Bars/saloons came under much public scrutiny because they were places people went to go get trashed.

I think dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana. Eight-ten years ago I heard of people being pot heads but never marijuana addicts. Now I see all these people smoking concentrates through things like dabs and getting absolutely trashed. Now longer is it about taking the edge off, but getting as fucked up as possible. Throw synthetic cannibinoids into the picture and now marijuana products can be on the border of soft and hard drug for some people. There is an entire group who are all about getting wasted off marijuana and honestly they look like crack heads. They use a torch to heat up a metal plate and then drop a little rock on said plate so it vaporizes. It's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction. Dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana for some who go down that path.

I don't know if that's good or bad. I'm not saying it is one or the other, but i'm definitely seeing a transformation how marijuana is being used. We now have the ability change marijuana from mild psychedelic/relaxant to powerful intoxicant that gets people absolutely fucked up.




Good job demonizing hash, comparing it to crack was a nice touch.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Murph]
    #18714230 - 08/16/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714234 - 08/16/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Taking dabs is like weed for junkies. Seriously, you could see somebody smoking heroin that way and have no idea which it was. I bet even the effects are similar.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #18714243 - 08/16/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense




Why would anyone be offended over an insult directed at a gas?
The trace amounts of butane aren't going to hurt you, either. You should stop being afraid of things for no clear reason.

And like the above guy said, the hysterical comparison to crack was pretty funny. :thumbup:


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Taking dabs is like weed for junkies. Seriously, you could see somebody smoking heroin that way and have no idea which it was. I bet even the effects are similar.




Hardly similar, unless you mean both make me kind of sleepy. In which case, tons of things are pretty similar to heroin.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714246 - 08/16/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Aren't there cases of dabbers getting withdrawals or some other negative effect after they stop for a while? A member brought this up on the growery not too long ago. :whatever:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #18714247 - 08/16/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense



but I in absolutely no fucking way thing concetrates such as dabs be banned or made illegal fuck that!if people want dabs let em I just prefer flowers myself!


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Doctor Sponge] * 1
    #18714254 - 08/16/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

several kids i know brag about how they "don't smoke plant matter" anymore... i want to throat punch them  every time i hear them say that & turn down a bowl of flowers... i don't really enjoy dabs, but i do dig a nice bowl of bubble hash anytime... i just don't like the culture that's rising up around it... OP may have been a little harsh comparing it to crack, but he's correct to an extent... people are getting falling-down trashed on thc these days much more than i've ever noticed, & i've been toking quite some time...


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: something super extreme]
    #18714265 - 08/16/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's pretty obvious I am not calling crack cocaine. I am simply giving you a 2nd example to alcohol that the social and addiction issues with substances have always become much more prevalent when the drug come becomes refined (coca-cocaine-crack). I think we are going to see more people complaining about now being able to sleep at night when they take tolerance breaks, or not being able to eat in the morning until the smoke, and more people stating how weed makes them unmotivated becomes of this new way of consuming weed. This isn't a slow transition of 10%-15% weed, this is taking concentrates at 2x-4x that potency and then smoking them to get as intoxicated as possible.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: nannybooboo]
    #18714266 - 08/16/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I really enjoyed your post. It was very thought provoking.

But hash has been around for a very long time.

I've heard (not sure if it's true) that in Europe, it's about as common as bud.

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Aren't there cases of dabbers getting withdrawals or some other negative effect after they stop for a while? A member brought this up on the growery not too long ago. :whatever:




I experience negative effects when I quit smoking pot :shrug:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714273 - 08/16/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I used to smoke a lot of oil, but it's not really worth it. It's an entirely different game. I haven't experimented with opiates, but I imagine it's probably comparing light poppy tea with a fentanyl patch.

Sometimes I'll smoke oil if the offer is out there, but I don't buy it for myself anymore. I've learned that I like to be "high", somewhere between buzzed and stoned, so I can come down and move on with my day; and oil simply doesn't offer that choice.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714277 - 08/16/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You literally word-for-word compared it to crack.
Can you not read your own post?



You're simply making issues where there are little to none.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: OZA] * 1
    #18714292 - 08/16/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, I used to smoke a lot of oil, but it's not really worth it. It's an entirely different game. I haven't experimented with opiates, but I imagine it's probably comparing light poppy tea with a fentanyl patch.





Having used opiates, bud and wax many times I can assure you this is a ridiculous comparison.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: leon trout]
    #18714296 - 08/16/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

and considering the amount of bud it takes just to extract a small amount of oil...

definitely comes off as an excessive habit.

that being said, well purged oil can still be medicinal IMO, then you have concentrates extracted using other means that don't involve butane...

still prefer flower though, in the end.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #18714309 - 08/16/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The quality of some  bulk bubble hash found in europe compared to high quality medical marijuana gold dust hash is a crazy difference. I don't think european hash is being sold at 40%-50% THC. I'm also talking about concentrates within the dab culture. I see lots of people roll hash up with some tobacco in europe and smoke it, or even out of a pipe. I'm speaking directly to the dab culture and the super refined concentrates that aren't floating around your street dealers.

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You literally word-for-word compared it to crack.
Can you not read your own post?



You're simply making issues where there are little to none.





Right. I explained how alcohol refined from beer to liquor caused social implications. So did coca-cocaine-crack. I think weed smoking changing to dab culture is going to cause new social issues and problems with cannibinoids due to the culture and availability of extremely high quality concentrates. That is what i did so if you don't think there is an issue, cool, but don't tell me that I am saying dabs and crack are the same thing because I'm telling you clearly they fucking aren't. I am just trying to make the argument that the shift in marijuana culture within dabs and how the drug is being used are the influencing factors in more frequent and common side effects we are going to see from heavy marijuana smokers.


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Yeah, I used to smoke a lot of oil, but it's not really worth it. It's an entirely different game. I haven't experimented with opiates, but I imagine it's probably comparing light poppy tea with a fentanyl patch





No, opiates are completely different substances than cannibinoids.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: something super extreme]
    #18714317 - 08/16/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would anyone be offended over an insult directed at a gas?




You'd be surprised, oilheads get very emotionally invested in their extraction solvent of choice. :lol:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #18714328 - 08/16/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense



Could you elaborate?  It sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.

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learning sponge said:
i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense



but I in absolutely no fucking way thing concetrates such as dabs be banned or made illegal fuck that!if people want dabs let em I just prefer flowers myself!



This isn't even English.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pwnasaurus] * 1
    #18714330 - 08/16/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That could be said for many people posting in here.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: something super extreme] * 1
    #18714334 - 08/16/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That could be said for many people posting in here.



Truth.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18714339 - 08/16/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would anyone be offended over an insult directed at a gas?




You'd be surprised, oilheads get very emotionally invested in their extraction solvent of choice. :lol:





I was starting to kind of agree with OP with it being crazy strong.  But then someone said hash and yeah, thats been around for as long as the flowers so i dont think its really a big deal


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: greenspectral]
    #18714340 - 08/16/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I live in Michigan, and we are a Medical state, and they just recently outlawed Wax and Concentrates. Too many people were blowing themselves up trying to extract it. They even created a new police code for it, similar to when someone blows their house up cooking meth.

Here is where I stand on concentrates.

I am a Medical Patient, and began using wax about a year ago. I went fully to that, and stopped smoking flowers. My tolerance went through the roof, and I had to continue to smoke more and more wax, until I was smoking about a gram a day.

I ended up saturating my body with too much THC, and it shut down my digestive track. I'm all for concentrates being used medicinally, by the cancer patients that actually need it. But people my age (early to mid 20's) really don't need to be smoking wax.

Also, in no way can you compare it to opiates. It is a totally different high, and they both last different amounts of time. Once again, it all comes down to your personal tolerance to it. But if you tolerance is so high that your smoking tons of wax to get high, as I was, you might want to reconsider your usage. Shit can get dangerous real quick.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18714344 - 08/16/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense



Could you elaborate?  It sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.



i don't like spraying high pressured butane through like a quarter of perfectly good top shelf to get oil and then have to buy a rig,my nail is better than thou,expensive torch,ect..im a discreet toker i pefrer my js and sneak a tokes of top shelf flavor


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Herbologist]
    #18714346 - 08/16/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's not so much about the oil itself, you could use water hash that way but it's just easier to use butane. It's about the rig and the flame. :syringe:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18714374 - 08/16/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My only complaints about wax are the price and need for extra smoking devices.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #18714409 - 08/16/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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learning sponge said:
i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense



Could you elaborate?  It sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.



i don't like spraying high pressured butane through like a quarter of perfectly good top shelf to get oil and then have to buy a rig,my nail is better than thou,expensive torch,ect..im a discreet toker i pefrer my js and sneak a tokes of top shelf flavor



So really it has nothing to do with butane at all and you simply don't like smoking oil.

Try using proper English next time, it's much easier to get your point across.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18714631 - 08/16/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yea that dab shit is a little too intense sometimes,
we were dabbing it in my friends garage one time and my buddy took
a hit and straight fell asleep leaning against a car within a few seconds.

then i was following him home and he fell asleep at the light -__-

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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714676 - 08/16/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714694 - 08/16/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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it's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction.



Uh... I believe crack is actually less addictive than alcohol... something like 10% addiction rate? And it's not as if people never got addicted to powder.

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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Synthe]
    #18714702 - 08/16/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm guessing it has to do with availability.

Also, crack fucking sucks. :argh:


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    #18714707 - 08/16/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I ended up saturating my body with too much THC, and it shut down my digestive track.



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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18714711 - 08/16/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm guessing it has to do with availability.

Also, crack fucking sucks. :argh:



All I mean is, it's kinda unfair to say "oh, okay, yeah I'd totally do some blow, but crack? Ew but it's CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK! It's so CRACK-ey! No!"


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Synthe]
    #18714715 - 08/16/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Have you ever tried crack? They're completely different drugs in how they hit and feel. Crack lasts about two minutes, coke more like half an hour. Honestly, I tried crack a few weeks ago and I couldn't even tell if I could feel it at all but I still wanted to hit it again.


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    #18714754 - 08/16/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I ended up saturating my body with too much THC, and it shut down my digestive track.



No shit? :shockandawe:




No shit! In the last 6 months, I've been to the ER over a dozen times for severe malnutrition and dehydration, from not being able to keep anything down. I've dropped 30 pounds, to an unhealthy 120 pounds (I'm 5'9"). Let's just say I learned my lesson from abusing pot. Now I stick to the flower power, and in moderation.


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    #18714755 - 08/16/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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it's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction.



Uh... I believe crack is actually less addictive than alcohol... something like 10% addiction rate? And it's not as if people never got addicted to powder.

Seriously.





You are missing my point. I am merely giving you examples in history where addiction rates went up and their were social implications and consequences from a drug becoming much more potent as well as the cultural changes that came with that increase in potency.

Beer/wine/cider to liquor where pubs and public drunkenness + higher rates alcoholism

Coca leaves used like coffee-cocaine with partying and shady behavior- crack and all the social issues and violence that occurred with the emergence of a new delivery system for cocaine usage. The appearance of crack houses popping up everywhere and crime associated with crack heads and sharp increase in violence among cocaine using populations from powder cocaine partying to crack house crack smoking.



My prediction is with dabs we are going to see a group of people who live in their parent's house (basement included) their adult lives as pot heads who socially isolate. The extreme version of pot heads now who spend their lives dedicated to toking. That small group of unmotivated stoners is going to grow and dabs are going to be the delivery system+high quality medical marijuana concentrates that are 40%-50%+


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714805 - 08/16/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I actually wouldn't be surprised if you were right, waw.

When I first tried a dab the first thing I noticed is that it's not your grandpa's hash. :ancientaliens: If you go too big, a single hit can completely incapacitate somebody without a mean tolerance. It's fun, but not an everyday thing. I actually have known somebody who fits your description of a dab addict. He would have withdrawals and shit when he didn't dab (couldn't get out of bed) and when he dabbed, he would intentionally inhale so much that he'd cough to the point of puking. Man, that was gross. :argh: I told him he might want to reassess his habits but it's like telling an alcy to stop drinking, according to him it's already too late.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18714813 - 08/16/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I actually wouldn't be surprised if you were right, waw.

When I first tried a dab the first thing I noticed is that it's not your grandpa's hash. :ancientaliens: If you go too big, a single hit can completely incapacitate somebody without a mean tolerance. It's fun, but not an everyday thing. I actually have known somebody who fits your description of a dab addict. He would have withdrawals and shit when he didn't smoke (couldn't get out of bed) and when he dabbed, he would intentionally inhale so much that he'd cough to the point of puking. Man, that was gross. :argh: I told him he might want to reassess his habits but it's like telling an alcy to stop drinking, according to him it's already too late.





That's really unfortunate. That's essentially the boat I was in before it nearly killed me. I hope your friend gets their habits under control before it effects their health like it did mine.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714820 - 08/16/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure your premise is true.
I'm positive there were problems with drunkenness even in ancient greece or rome where all they drank was wine.
Are you sure the problems associated with crack are because of the concentration percentage of the drug, and not, say, the socioeconomic factors involved with selling something for as high a price as possible to people in poverty?


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    #18714827 - 08/16/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.







I have nothing to add, just wanna say they are nothing new.


We've been butane blasting for the past 10 years, I know some older hippies from bellingham who have been making bho for 25 years.


The only thing that's new is the fad since high times decided to start jumping all over it.


And yes, people can get pretty fiendish with their oil, but theres nothing new about people abusing drugs or thc :shrug: Fiends gonna be fiendin


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Lynnch]
    #18714828 - 08/16/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The degree of alcoholism caused by distilled liquor was a new thing when it hit the scene in England, I think it was during the Renaissance.

There's a pair of paintings. One is called "Gin Alley" where it shows destitute alcoholics suffering from the new blight, and one called "Beer Lane" where the healthy wealthy beer-drinking alcoholics are feelin' fine and dandy.


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    #18714836 - 08/16/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



Same shit, right? Yes and no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Street_and_Gin_Lane

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    #18714842 - 08/16/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ya I agree. Fiends will be fiends. Some people just do it to do it.
Oil or concentrates aren't new at all. It's just recently gotten "popular", so all the fiends come out.

I'm a crazy fucking weed smoker but I'm not doing dabs 24/7 because even if I smoke in extreme excess I know moderation.

But comparing it to crack or heroin, no not really. The day someone overdoses and DIES from smoking weed, then you can compare it to crack or heroin.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18714845 - 08/16/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, this might be more directly relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Craze :cookiemonster:

And that wasn't even caused by greater purity, it was just caused by less flavor. :lol:


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    #18714852 - 08/16/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ya I agree. Fiends will be fiends. Some people just do it to do it.
Oil or concentrates aren't new at all. It's just recently gotten "popular", so all the fiends come out.

I'm a crazy fucking weed smoker but I'm not doing dabs 24/7 because even if I smoke in extreme excess I know moderation.

But comparing it to crack or heroin, no not really. The day someone overdoses and DIES from smoking weed, then you can compare it to crack or heroin.





I've never heard of people unable to eat from weed, but apparently it can be caused by dabs. :shrug: Concentration and availability makes a huge difference, and a lot of those fiends would have never heard of dabs if not for the popularity.

I think it's an overreaction to consider it "as bad" as crack or heroin but the trend is the same, purer refinements of drugs lead to unexpected new problems and weed isn't an exception.


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    #18714871 - 08/16/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP has a valid point, to an extent.  Although for me, it's not so much the "breed" of stoner that he's assuming dabs are leading way towards (the 'crackhead' of weed smoking), but the negative associations such a inherently crazy-looking process implies to a drug ignorant third party.

Because THAT'S the problem.  It's not that dabs will kill anyone, or turn someone into a zombie, or create a class of parent-leeching 40 year olds.  It's that marijuana decriminalization/legalization has been touted as something that just seems obvious. We've been saying "look.  its just weed.  people have been smoking it forever. it's not addictive and it's less harmful to your body than so many other legal things".  People have a hard time arguing with that train of thought...

...but now we've taken a one-pace step towards the "full legalization" line, and all of a sudden it's not just "smoking pot" anymore.  It's this fucking process whereby some guy uses what seems like a college-grade chemistry set to ingest some substance that looks nothing like the cute flowery plant that the legalization proponents have been pushing.



And it's the negative connotations that ignorant people hold towards hard drugs that make these implications worrying - as we AREN'T federally decriminalized yet.  All the opponents of federal legalization would have to do is demonize these concentrates and these processes as the obvious and inherent continuation of the legalization trend.  To show that medical marijuana legalization is, in fact a slippery slope towards crazier things, and they could squash our dreams.












So i think that's where OP was coming from.  And I think it's a legit train of thought to entertain.

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    #18714878 - 08/16/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I see your point but it's still a major stretch, they are two COMPLETELY different categories of drugs.

I would really like to know how dabs alone, shut down someone's digestive track, because that's not really possible IME. How does he know that was the SOLE FACTOR? I call BS on that one. Diet and environment HAD to be a factor as well, possibly other medications.


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    #18714883 - 08/16/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I see your point but it's still a major stretch, they are two COMPLETELY different categories of drugs.

I would really like to know how dabs alone, shut down someone's digestive track, because that's not really possible IME. How does he know that was the SOLE FACTOR? I call BS on that one. Diet and environment HAD to be a factor as well, possibly other medications.



Absolutely.  There's no way in hell that properly purged oil can do any more damage than the marijuana flower can.  In fact, since you are not ingesting plant matter, it is much healthier for you.

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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Shroomism]
    #18714884 - 08/16/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I wish you could've seen this guy I knew in action, he would dry-heave so epically and for so long after taking his hit. It got to the point where I just couldn't smoke with him anymore. I don't chill with a person to listen to them dry-heaving.

It's hard to imagine our gentle weed could cause serious problems for anybody, but it's true. I don't blame the weed, though. :shrug:


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    #18714891 - 08/16/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah as soon as things start looking good for legalization they have to find another way to attack marijuana and now wax is getting the same negative press as good ol weed did during the reefer madness days.


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    #18714893 - 08/16/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't say I didn't believe your story. I know people can become straight up fiends over weed, that is not the point.

Smoking so much oil you dry heave and puke is one thing. Claiming it shut down your entire digestive tract is a whole other.


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    #18714896 - 08/16/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I didn't say I didn't believe your story. I know people can become straight up fiends over weed, that is not the point.

Smoking so much oil you dry heave and puke is one thing. Claiming it shut down your entire digestive tract is a whole other.




If you just stop eating because you can't get a bite in edgewise with all the dry heaving...

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    #18714911 - 08/16/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But ya, I have seen people exhibiting crackhead-like behavior towards weed before, for sure.

Any drugs can be that way really. I'm just calling BS on the "it seriously harms you" part.

Pot, even when HEAVILY abused at the highest concentrations, it's pretty benign compared to anything else.
Unless as mentioned... we are also talking about adulterants that cant always be accounted for

Thousands and thousands of years of recorded history, hash is nothing new. honeycomb and earwax or whatever is just a further refinement, nothing that much crazier.

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    #18714956 - 08/16/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I've never heard of people unable to eat from weed, but apparently it can be caused by dabs. :shrug: Concentration and availability makes a huge difference, and a lot of those fiends would have never heard of dabs if not for the popularity.

I think it's an overreaction to consider it "as bad" as crack or heroin but the trend is the same, purer refinements of drugs lead to unexpected new problems and weed isn't an exception.




It's not that you "can't" eat, it's that your digestive track essentially stops, so whatever you eat spoils within your stomach, and you must vomit it up. In no way are dabs as bad as crack or something harder, but without using moderation, you can become very ill.

I almost ended up in a coma from it. Who would have guessed?
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I see your point but it's still a major stretch, they are two COMPLETELY different categories of drugs.

I would really like to know how dabs alone, shut down someone's digestive track, because that's not really possible IME. How does he know that was the SOLE FACTOR? I call BS on that one. Diet and environment HAD to be a factor as well, possibly other medications.





And I know that I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I've had dozens of test run on me in the last 6 months. I've spent days at a time in the hospital. I've had cameras in both ends multiple times. My diet is the same as it ever was. I do not take any medications.

Abusing dabs WAS and IS the sole reason I became so ill. You try smoking a gram of oil a day and tell me it doesn't start fucking with your insides. I had so much THC in my system that my brain could no long produce the chemicals it needed in order to communicate with my digestive system. There have been hundreds of cases of this happening to young adults with medical cards, or who abuse pot in general.

Australia is leading the study on it right now. Dabs do not contain all the cannabinoids that normal flowers do. THC is mostly extracted when using a butane extraction. Now when you go from smoking flower at 20% to dabs at 90%, you are ingesting 4.5 times as much THC in a single sitting. Combine that with multiple sitting throughout the day, and you have a THC overload.

And I know damn well that my wax was purged all the way. I've been making it for quite some time, and if the Dispensary thinks its worth selling at $220 a gram, I must make some pretty good shit.


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    #18714963 - 08/16/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.

alcoholism wasn't really much recorded throughout history when people were drinking beer, cider, and wine It was heard of but didn't really have any impact or influence on society,. Then they started using grains to produce whiskey and other liquors and suddenly alcoholism was something that actually effected people. Bars/saloons came under much public scrutiny because they were places people went to go get trashed.

I think dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana. Eight-ten years ago I heard of people being pot heads but never marijuana addicts. Now I see all these people smoking concentrates through things like dabs and getting absolutely trashed. Now longer is it about taking the edge off, but getting as fucked up as possible. Throw synthetic cannibinoids into the picture and now marijuana products can be on the border of soft and hard drug for some people. There is an entire group who are all about getting wasted off marijuana and honestly they look like crack heads. They use a torch to heat up a metal plate and then drop a little rock on said plate so it vaporizes. It's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction. Dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana for some who go down that path.

I don't know if that's good or bad. I'm not saying it is one or the other, but i'm definitely seeing a transformation how marijuana is being used. We now have the ability change marijuana from mild psychedelic/relaxant to powerful intoxicant that gets people absolutely fucked up.



Just take a smaller dab if you are getting too trashed :shrug: its just really good hash, you just need to control the dose more carefully...also stick to solventless or really well purged shit


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    #18714976 - 08/16/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Abusing dabs WAS and IS the sole reason I became so ill. You try smoking a gram of oil a day and tell me it doesn't start fucking with your insides. I had so much THC in my system that my brain could no long produce the chemicals it needed in order to communicate with my digestive system. There have been hundreds of cases of this happening to young adults with medical cards, or who abuse pot in general.

Australia is leading the study on it right now.




Got links? I didn't know about this but my brother hangs in the gram-dab crowds. :omgz:


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    #18714986 - 08/16/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lol I don't see the big deal. I smoke a cone and I'm "trashed." Everytime. I thought that was the point of drugs


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    #18714990 - 08/16/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry but I just have a really hard time believing you. I have tons of anecdotal stories too. I have friends who smoked more oil than you and are perfectly fine.
I wouldn't recommend smoking that much, but there must have been other factors involved. 
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    #18715023 - 08/16/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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but I in absolutely no fucking way thing concetrates such as dabs be banned or made illegal fuck that!if people want dabs let em I just prefer flowers myself!



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    #18715095 - 08/16/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

At the first least, you should find comfort in the fact that the "damage" is not permanent. Oil/hash has been around for a very long time and the knowledge that a higher tolerance=less appetite has been around at least as long. Most chronic chronic-smokers :tongue: are a good percentage (10??) skinnier (and have healthier/higher levels of brown/"good" fat for the matter)


But in my experience, when smoking a steady/consistent amount of oil (which I do to this day, though I only dab at night or on rare occasions i'll have a dab-day), the appetite-suppression plateaued after a certain point. Only when I was spending all day dabbing, for several days, did I really have an issue with realizing I haven't been eating enough.

I could see VERY easily see/believe that many people (who doesn't realize this could/will happen) could get carried away and weeks/months/years could go by before they realize they are severely malnurished.



Kind of related, some of the synthetics (2201 IME) have a very strong appetite suppression that can I can only compare to oil, but to me. its almost like oil is to flower/weed, what 2201 is to oil (IMO of course).

I ran into some eating/weight-loss issues with that (~20 lbs lost in 3 months [bringing me to 130lbs and i'm 6'1"]leaving me EXTREMELY fatigued and nauseous 24/7 by the end), but eventually after "weening" (and i really did taper :lol: :meff:) down, I was gaining weight within a couple weeks (and continuing to cut down on use) and maybe a month after that I was using it (2201) in much smaller doses, and only at night, and I was back to having energy and being able to eat a couple meals each day like the rest of society.



I guess my point to all of this is,

Everthing in moderation, and
Always try to be aware of your habits/behavior on a day-to-day basis.


If I had realized my poor-eating habits earlier, I feel that I would never have gotten to that point.


If cutting out oil/wax is the only way to solve the problem, so-be-it, but, I think it CAN be used, even daily, without severe lethargy & malnourishment/appetite-suppression being an absolute consequence (though it most certainly can happen).


And I gotta say,

It sure is nice getting absolutely LIT from a .1g dab again, every night, compared to feeding a .3-.5g snake into the nail every 45 minutes.

And I gotta say,
it sure saves a lot of $$ on butane :lol:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pcplease] * 1
    #18715129 - 08/16/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't read the whole thread but is this some sort of fucking joke? I saw weed being compared to crack and heroin. This sounds something straight from a news article about some kid getting caught with "New and dengerous form of mairjuana" Concentrates have been used for years, dabs and oil rigs are just a new method of smokeing and who cares if it "looks" similar to smoking crack or meth. It's still the same drug its ALWAYS been. In fact there are less active chemicals than if you were to just smoke weed.  And idk if you guys are forgetting your highschool years or something but smoking weed was ALWAYS about getting as fucked up as possible.

This thread is rediculous. Hopefully after I post this and read through the whole thing aomeon is spreading some logic.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pcplease]
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lol wtf is up with you guys get appetite suppression from oil, isn't it supposed to make you hungry like being cannabis and all?


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sheekle]
    #18715341 - 08/16/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sheekle]
    #18715685 - 08/16/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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lol wtf is up with you guys get appetite suppression from oil, isn't it supposed to make you hungry like being cannabis and all?




Hahaha, that's why it took me 6 months to get a diagnosis (which the diagnosis is still kind of up in the air). I was like "No way is pot actually making me sick. Here, I'll just take a few more dabs until my stomach doesn't hurt."

Well, when I finally quit smoking, that's when all of my symptoms went away. I was able to eat again, I wasn't throwing up all day long. The severe pain and nausea left. I'm bored as fuck now, but I had to do it for my health :shrug:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18715853 - 08/16/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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  And idk if you guys are forgetting your highschool years or something but smoking weed was ALWAYS about getting as fucked up as possible.



Yea, but if we ever wanna see full federal legalization, it needs to not be a thing that people are afraid of. To the govt, weed has to be an angel...I dunno what I'm trying to say here. But noone is really comparing it to crack or heroin, I see their points.
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This thread is rediculous. Hopefully after I post this and read through the whole thing aomeon is spreading some logic.



It's not that bad of a thread. I think dabs and concentrates are great, especially for their medical purposes.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Lynnch]
    #18715921 - 08/16/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I see your point but it's still a major stretch, they are two COMPLETELY different categories of drugs.

I would really like to know how dabs alone, shut down someone's digestive track, because that's not really possible IME. How does he know that was the SOLE FACTOR? I call BS on that one. Diet and environment HAD to be a factor as well, possibly other medications.





My argument would be that someone getting trashed on dabs all day everyday isn't taking good care of their body vs the marijuana smoker who comes home from after work and smokes some bowls or a joint. Obviously we can't know that for sure, but I think diet and environment comes from the direct fact that some dab head who sits around getting trashed everyday isn't taking good care of their bodies. I am purely generalizing and clearly not talking about every marijuana smoker and every dab smoker adheres to these principles.

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I'm not sure your premise is true.
I'm positive there were problems with drunkenness even in ancient greece or rome where all they drank was wine.
Are you sure the problems associated with crack are because of the concentration percentage of the drug, and not, say, the socioeconomic factors involved with selling something for as high a price as possible to people in poverty?





I am positive that the push for prohibition came about with liquor. Woman started campaigning and moral angels of the house hold and started organizing. They were the ones to originally start pushing that the saloon with it's whiskey and hard alcohol was a source of great debauchery (and it was). Of course there were alcoholics from beer and hard cider before these times, but the rates of alcoholism and alcohol related social issues came about with the 19th century saloon and the overwhelming presence of hard liquor.

This PBC documentary narated by Ken Burns does an excellent job at explaining how the shift to liquor and the saloon caused great rates of alcoholism and social issues like public intoxication huge rates. Instead of having a beer in the morning, at lunch, in the afternoon, and at night - people were getting trashed in the saloon.

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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18715973 - 08/16/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I wish I could have been around in the days where people wouldn't give me disapproving looks for drinking beer with breakfast. :crankey:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18715994 - 08/16/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I wish I could have been around in the days where people wouldn't give me disapproving looks for drinking beer with breakfast. :crankey:




Screw those people, beer is a breakfast drink. But it's also so much more than that.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: muistrue]
    #18715999 - 08/16/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's an all-the-time drink. :beer:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18716002 - 08/16/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This PBC documentary narated by Ken Burns does an excellent job at explaining how the shift to liquor and the saloon caused great rates of alcoholism and social issues like public intoxication huge rates. Instead of having a beer in the morning, at lunch, in the afternoon, and at night - people were getting trashed in the saloon.

http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/prohibition/




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    #18716005 - 08/16/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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    #18716008 - 08/16/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Also consider what sanitary conditions were like back then. Beer was probably much safer and healthier to drink than the drinking water in many situations.


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    #18716016 - 08/16/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This PBC documentary narated by Ken Burns does an excellent job at explaining how the shift to liquor and the saloon caused great rates of alcoholism and social issues like public intoxication huge rates. Instead of having a beer in the morning, at lunch, in the afternoon, and at night - people were getting trashed in the saloon.

http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/prohibition/




Hey, sounds cool. Think I'll watch this tonight. :cheers:




It should be on you tube. It's 3 parts and each part is 90 minutes, but it's really really good. Both times i've watched it and I ended up sitting for the entire 3 part 4.5 hour longer series and sipping on some hard cider and watching the entire things and staying up late into the night.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Sheekle]
    #18716045 - 08/16/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I like the idea of this thread, too, and most definitely agree that the novelty of rigs/dabs is hurting the legalization movement as much as the increase in explosions from people trying to make their own oil.

And that anyone who doesn't LOVE weed will most likely HATE the effects of a dab


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lol wtf is up with you guys get appetite suppression from oil, isn't it supposed to make you hungry like being cannabis and all?





I think I might have worded myself badly-

I get MORE munchies the LESS i use oil.

Exactly like weed IMO/IME. The only difference is that oil builds up my "munchie-tolerance" much faster, and to a much greater extent than weed has.

Although I'm sure weed COULD, it would just require a LOT of weed :lol:



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Not EVERYONE's look is one of disapproval..
Mine is just one of jealousy :wink:


But I agree. The beer-fanatic community isn't nearly as judgemental, though :tongue:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pcplease]
    #18716066 - 08/16/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think it's hurting the legalization movement at all. :shrug: Hysterical conformists will do as hysterical conformists is.


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    #18716097 - 08/16/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Hysterical conformists will do as hysterical conformists is.





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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pcplease]
    #18716301 - 08/16/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

wouldn't it be the same thing if you just smoked more bud?

also, most of the people who do dabs and have the nice recyclers have their shit together. it's not cheap at all when people are dabbing $20 of oil in one hit


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: blackglass6219]
    #18716314 - 08/16/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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wouldn't it be the same thing if you just smoked more bud?




The reason it's better is because you get more THC hitting your system all at once. How long would it take you to smoke a gram of weed? With an oil rig you can dab that much THC in one hit.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: blackglass6219]
    #18716319 - 08/16/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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wouldn't it be the same thing if you just smoked more bud?





No not exactly. With concentrates, you are smoking mass amounts in such a small hit.

Think of it like the difference between drinking a lot of beers, or drinking straight hard liquor/moonshine.. you are going to get WAY more fucked up a lot faster, on a lot less with the liquor.


With bud, I find you can only get so high. You eventually reach a ceiling. At least that's what I've found in my 15+ years of basically daily toking. With concentrates, it takes me to a different level. Or at least, you get high from WAY less.

That's why I only do concentrates once in a blue moon. Otherwise my tolerance gets WAY too high and then I can't even get buzzed from buds anymore.. no bueno.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Shroomism]
    #18716345 - 08/16/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Some good chronic bud is anywhere from 20% to 25% cannabinoids, and concentrates are anywhere from 50% to upwards of 92% (highest I've personally seen). So by weight, you get way more high from concentrates. Less weight means less hits, but with the same amount of high at the end.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: HeyImShroomy]
    #18716358 - 08/16/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ya, I've actually seen a couple strains lately that are 29%-32%.. shits crazy.
I feel though that I reach a different level off concentrates though. A couple hits of oil will take me to super baked levels that I don't usually get even when blazing buds constantly.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: HeyImShroomy]
    #21326909 - 02/25/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I know for fact that cannabis in any form MAY cause digestive issues, ive experienced this myself, particularly from BHO.Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome was the only true condition i could find and its temporary (dry heaving in the morning, feeling like shit, diarrhea this i have experienced)...However i come here today on a different note.. Im still relatively new to regular dabbing and about a month in....and just two days ago i was already blazed off two dabs spaced out by an hour or so and i decided to take another before bed...and it was a disaster my brain started feeling like it was expanding inside my cranium all i could think to do is drink loads of water and go to bed...but its two days later...and i can still feel a strange sensation in my cerebellum (makes sense thats where cannabinoid receptors are) I characterize this as a THC overload.... Know anything about this? ....Besides too much man too much haha.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: StonedSauron]
    #21326924 - 02/25/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

oh please i was a hash head before i even new what dabs was neway u got really high


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    #21326951 - 02/25/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like you just smoked yourself retarded. Don't worry, all you have to do is keep doing it and then you'll build a stupid high tolerance so dabs won't be so bad. Hope you don't like weed though, people who dab constantly have to smoke a shit ton of weed to get high


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    #21327043 - 02/25/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I'm a daily dabber and can get high on weed just fine :shrug:
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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Soluminia]
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    #21327754 - 02/25/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

The first few big dabs I took.  I had to walk around the house a few times outside just to stop coughing.

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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #21327891 - 02/25/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Hash oil is strong as hell

One tiny dab of that stuff and I'm baked as fuck until I pass out

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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #24441881 - 06/28/17 11:06 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck I don't usually post on old threads but this seemed somewhat necessary.


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Then they started using grains to produce whiskey and other liquors and suddenly alcoholism was something that actually effected people. Bars/saloons came under much public scrutiny because they were places people went to go get trashed.

I think dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana. Eight-ten years ago I heard of people being pot heads but never marijuana addicts. Now I see all these people smoking concentrates through things like dabs and getting absolutely trashed.




This is all wrong.
First off not only do dabs not get you higher (there's no reason they even should) but I'd argue that they're actually less addictive than normal bud, at least they were for me. It's simply a different high and I know plenty of people who have baby tolerances but still prefer to dab simply because of the quality of the high.

Flower has a more complex high and more of an addictive quality I find. I feel more of a "withdrawal" when I try to quit buds.


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    #24441893 - 06/28/17 11:13 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I know someone addicted to dabbing.

That sounds stupid but I dont blame the wax.  Its his personality, extremely addictive. You could document him as the first idiot addicted to wax.  He can't go without it and gets emotional and bitchy like hes having withdrawals if he can't get to his dab rig.


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    #24441903 - 06/28/17 11:18 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I've never not been stoned out of my goddamn mind with hash. But then I'd always smoked it with bud because I never had one of those fancy expensive oil rigs.


Meh :ohwell:
I'd like to point out that it's funny how people on the first page of this thread don't understand analogies.

"It's a super refined concentrate like liquor and crack is." "DABS AREN'T CRACK YOU STUPID OP."


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    #24441912 - 06/28/17 11:21 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I like small-medium sized dabs.  Otherwise I get way too damn high and anxious.  I used to enjoy getting super ripped, it was like my goal.

Now I like just having a solid mellow high.  This is why I stay away from edibles too, they hit me hard.


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    #24441951 - 06/28/17 11:39 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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I know someone addicted to dabbing.

That sounds stupid but I dont blame the wax.  Its his personality, extremely addictive. You could document him as the first idiot addicted to wax.  He can't go without it and gets emotional and bitchy like hes having withdrawals if he can't get to his dab rig.




Yea you can definitely become addicted to dabbing (THC in general). But for me I found quitting as a daily dabber was a lot easier than quitting as a daily bud smoker. I never smoked solely dabs I always had flowers occasionally to balance it out but I did notice negative effects when I tried to quit either one. I always found the negative effects from quitting buds though to be unignorable and more problematic, the "withdrawal" from oil though I could manage. Maybe it's because I'm really careful with how I dose, probably one of the reasons I find dabbing to be more casual than smoking buds.


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I've never not been stoned out of my goddamn mind with hash. But then I'd always smoked it with bud because I never had one of those fancy expensive oil rigs.


Meh :ohwell:
I'd like to point out that it's funny how people on the first page of this thread don't understand analogies.

"It's a super refined concentrate like liquor and crack is." "DABS AREN'T CRACK YOU STUPID OP."





:lol: ha that is true.

As much as I don't agree with the OP or the people shitting on dabs the analogy seems appropriate. It's just that same logic of refining the product. A cocaine refinement is obviously a lot more dramatic than a THC refinement. Still the same idea however.


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    #24442005 - 06/28/17 12:00 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I prefer edibles anyway but when I do smoke I kinda like concentrate. Usually Dutch hash with a THC content of 60% - 80%

That way I only need to smoke one small bit (like a matchhead size piece) to be good for the night


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    #24442054 - 06/28/17 12:24 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Op i definitely see your point and this is a great post, but have you ever had a weed tolerance? do you understand that all marijuana concentrates have the same active ingredient as a regular nug? If someone smoked say 7 grams of weed in a week, would you say thats a crack head type habit? Probably not. What if someome dabbed about 1 gram of concentrate a week? Its the same thing and obviosuly depending on the thc content, its virtually the same habit. In southern oregon i get a gram of good wax from a dispensary for 35 bucks, or a quarter ounce of good mids for 20. The wax is simply more cost effective. Maybe the tortches and rigs give you the illusion that its like crack, bur in reality its still just good ol thc-a


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Op i definitely see your point and this is a great post, but have you ever had a weed tolerance? do you understand that all marijuana concentrates have the same active ingredient as a regular nug? If someone smoked say 7 grams of weed in a week, would you say thats a crack head type habit? Probably not. What if someome dabbed about 1 gram of concentrate a week? Its the same thing and obviosuly depending on the thc content, its virtually the same habit




Unfortunately from the OP's viewpoint as well as many others More THC = More High when actually for people like me it just means take less.


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