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Dabs- making weed a harder drug * 3
    #18714094 - 08/16/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.

alcoholism wasn't really much recorded throughout history when people were drinking beer, cider, and wine It was heard of but didn't really have any impact or influence on society,. Then they started using grains to produce whiskey and other liquors and suddenly alcoholism was something that actually effected people. Bars/saloons came under much public scrutiny because they were places people went to go get trashed.

I think dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana. Eight-ten years ago I heard of people being pot heads but never marijuana addicts. Now I see all these people smoking concentrates through things like dabs and getting absolutely trashed. Now longer is it about taking the edge off, but getting as fucked up as possible. Throw synthetic cannibinoids into the picture and now marijuana products can be on the border of soft and hard drug for some people. There is an entire group who are all about getting wasted off marijuana and honestly they look like crack heads. They use a torch to heat up a metal plate and then drop a little rock on said plate so it vaporizes. It's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction. Dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana for some who go down that path.

I don't know if that's good or bad. I'm not saying it is one or the other, but i'm definitely seeing a transformation how marijuana is being used. We now have the ability change marijuana from mild psychedelic/relaxant to powerful intoxicant that gets people absolutely fucked up.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714103 - 08/16/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.

alcoholism wasn't really much recorded throughout history when people were drinking beer, cider, and wine It was heard of but didn't really have any impact or influence on society,. Then they started using grains to produce whiskey and other liquors and suddenly alcoholism was something that actually effected people. Bars/saloons came under much public scrutiny because they were places people went to go get trashed.

I think dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana. Eight-ten years ago I heard of people being pot heads but never marijuana addicts. Now I see all these people smoking concentrates through things like dabs and getting absolutely trashed. Now longer is it about taking the edge off, but getting as fucked up as possible. Throw synthetic cannibinoids into the picture and now marijuana products can be on the border of soft and hard drug for some people. There is an entire group who are all about getting wasted off marijuana and honestly they look like crack heads. They use a torch to heat up a metal plate and then drop a little rock on said plate so it vaporizes. It's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction. Dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana for some who go down that path.

I don't know if that's good or bad. I'm not saying it is one or the other, but i'm definitely seeing a transformation how marijuana is being used. We now have the ability change marijuana from mild psychedelic/relaxant to powerful intoxicant that gets people absolutely fucked up.




Dude this is a really good and important point to bring up. Any time I've seen anything about dabs in relation to a person, now that you mention it, it was always like "Yeah, but he was doing dabs man"


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: st1llnox] * 2
    #18714166 - 08/16/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

That's what they were saying about 'skunk weed' in the uk. "It's a whole new drug, way stronger, can make you insane!!1!"
I see your concern. The shift from getting happy giggly chill with friends to blown out of your mind fucked up isn't something I necessarily condone. But if the safety and addiction profile of the chemical haven't changed, I really don't see the big deal.  People have been smoking hash for a looong time. It might appear to be a harder drug, that doesn't mean it is.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire] * 3
    #18714194 - 08/16/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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withoutawire said:
I live in San Franciso and have been pretty heavily i the scene and first time I did a dab or head of one (same day) was about a year ago. They seem pretty new.

alcoholism wasn't really much recorded throughout history when people were drinking beer, cider, and wine It was heard of but didn't really have any impact or influence on society,. Then they started using grains to produce whiskey and other liquors and suddenly alcoholism was something that actually effected people. Bars/saloons came under much public scrutiny because they were places people went to go get trashed.

I think dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana. Eight-ten years ago I heard of people being pot heads but never marijuana addicts. Now I see all these people smoking concentrates through things like dabs and getting absolutely trashed. Now longer is it about taking the edge off, but getting as fucked up as possible. Throw synthetic cannibinoids into the picture and now marijuana products can be on the border of soft and hard drug for some people. There is an entire group who are all about getting wasted off marijuana and honestly they look like crack heads. They use a torch to heat up a metal plate and then drop a little rock on said plate so it vaporizes. It's weed-crack man. Just like how cocaine went from party drug/chewing coca leaves to straight up crack addiction. Dabs are doing the same thing to marijuana for some who go down that path.

I don't know if that's good or bad. I'm not saying it is one or the other, but i'm definitely seeing a transformation how marijuana is being used. We now have the ability change marijuana from mild psychedelic/relaxant to powerful intoxicant that gets people absolutely fucked up.




Good job demonizing hash, comparing it to crack was a nice touch.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Murph]
    #18714230 - 08/16/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714234 - 08/16/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Taking dabs is like weed for junkies. Seriously, you could see somebody smoking heroin that way and have no idea which it was. I bet even the effects are similar.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #18714243 - 08/16/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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learning sponge said:
i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense




Why would anyone be offended over an insult directed at a gas?
The trace amounts of butane aren't going to hurt you, either. You should stop being afraid of things for no clear reason.

And like the above guy said, the hysterical comparison to crack was pretty funny. :thumbup:


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Taking dabs is like weed for junkies. Seriously, you could see somebody smoking heroin that way and have no idea which it was. I bet even the effects are similar.




Hardly similar, unless you mean both make me kind of sleepy. In which case, tons of things are pretty similar to heroin.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714246 - 08/16/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Aren't there cases of dabbers getting withdrawals or some other negative effect after they stop for a while? A member brought this up on the growery not too long ago. :whatever:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #18714247 - 08/16/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense



but I in absolutely no fucking way thing concetrates such as dabs be banned or made illegal fuck that!if people want dabs let em I just prefer flowers myself!


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Doctor Sponge] * 1
    #18714254 - 08/16/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

several kids i know brag about how they "don't smoke plant matter" anymore... i want to throat punch them  every time i hear them say that & turn down a bowl of flowers... i don't really enjoy dabs, but i do dig a nice bowl of bubble hash anytime... i just don't like the culture that's rising up around it... OP may have been a little harsh comparing it to crack, but he's correct to an extent... people are getting falling-down trashed on thc these days much more than i've ever noticed, & i've been toking quite some time...


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: something super extreme]
    #18714265 - 08/16/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It's pretty obvious I am not calling crack cocaine. I am simply giving you a 2nd example to alcohol that the social and addiction issues with substances have always become much more prevalent when the drug come becomes refined (coca-cocaine-crack). I think we are going to see more people complaining about now being able to sleep at night when they take tolerance breaks, or not being able to eat in the morning until the smoke, and more people stating how weed makes them unmotivated becomes of this new way of consuming weed. This isn't a slow transition of 10%-15% weed, this is taking concentrates at 2x-4x that potency and then smoking them to get as intoxicated as possible.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: nannybooboo]
    #18714266 - 08/16/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I really enjoyed your post. It was very thought provoking.

But hash has been around for a very long time.

I've heard (not sure if it's true) that in Europe, it's about as common as bud.

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Aren't there cases of dabbers getting withdrawals or some other negative effect after they stop for a while? A member brought this up on the growery not too long ago. :whatever:




I experience negative effects when I quit smoking pot :shrug:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714273 - 08/16/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I used to smoke a lot of oil, but it's not really worth it. It's an entirely different game. I haven't experimented with opiates, but I imagine it's probably comparing light poppy tea with a fentanyl patch.

Sometimes I'll smoke oil if the offer is out there, but I don't buy it for myself anymore. I've learned that I like to be "high", somewhere between buzzed and stoned, so I can come down and move on with my day; and oil simply doesn't offer that choice.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: withoutawire]
    #18714277 - 08/16/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You literally word-for-word compared it to crack.
Can you not read your own post?



You're simply making issues where there are little to none.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: OZA] * 1
    #18714292 - 08/16/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, I used to smoke a lot of oil, but it's not really worth it. It's an entirely different game. I haven't experimented with opiates, but I imagine it's probably comparing light poppy tea with a fentanyl patch.





Having used opiates, bud and wax many times I can assure you this is a ridiculous comparison.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: leon trout]
    #18714296 - 08/16/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

and considering the amount of bud it takes just to extract a small amount of oil...

definitely comes off as an excessive habit.

that being said, well purged oil can still be medicinal IMO, then you have concentrates extracted using other means that don't involve butane...

still prefer flower though, in the end.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #18714309 - 08/16/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The quality of some  bulk bubble hash found in europe compared to high quality medical marijuana gold dust hash is a crazy difference. I don't think european hash is being sold at 40%-50% THC. I'm also talking about concentrates within the dab culture. I see lots of people roll hash up with some tobacco in europe and smoke it, or even out of a pipe. I'm speaking directly to the dab culture and the super refined concentrates that aren't floating around your street dealers.

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You literally word-for-word compared it to crack.
Can you not read your own post?



You're simply making issues where there are little to none.





Right. I explained how alcohol refined from beer to liquor caused social implications. So did coca-cocaine-crack. I think weed smoking changing to dab culture is going to cause new social issues and problems with cannibinoids due to the culture and availability of extremely high quality concentrates. That is what i did so if you don't think there is an issue, cool, but don't tell me that I am saying dabs and crack are the same thing because I'm telling you clearly they fucking aren't. I am just trying to make the argument that the shift in marijuana culture within dabs and how the drug is being used are the influencing factors in more frequent and common side effects we are going to see from heavy marijuana smokers.


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Yeah, I used to smoke a lot of oil, but it's not really worth it. It's an entirely different game. I haven't experimented with opiates, but I imagine it's probably comparing light poppy tea with a fentanyl patch





No, opiates are completely different substances than cannibinoids.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: something super extreme]
    #18714317 - 08/16/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would anyone be offended over an insult directed at a gas?




You'd be surprised, oilheads get very emotionally invested in their extraction solvent of choice. :lol:


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #18714328 - 08/16/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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learning sponge said:
i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense



Could you elaborate?  It sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.

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learning sponge said:
i somewhat agree OP.fuck butane no offense



but I in absolutely no fucking way thing concetrates such as dabs be banned or made illegal fuck that!if people want dabs let em I just prefer flowers myself!



This isn't even English.


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Re: Dabs- making weed a harder drug [Re: pwnasaurus] * 1
    #18714330 - 08/16/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

That could be said for many people posting in here.


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