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Re: I'm worried about grandiosity and drugs, especially my transition towards LSD/Shrooms.. help me out? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18715694 - 08/16/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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WHEEEW thanks for that... Glad to know it's a thing and not just me. I was really worried about what psychological implications this may have, or what it could mean but of course it's the drugs. :highfive:





It's not just the drugs in some cases.
For some people doing drugs brings out underlying mental illnesses.


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Re: I'm worried about grandiosity and drugs, especially my transition towards LSD/Shrooms.. help me out? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18715756 - 08/16/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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st1llnox said:I want to do a new sig, "no DXM since..." but I know I'm not ready to until I have alternatives to slake my need to trip, like MXE or something.




man, if you could just read yr posts from a third person perspective, i think you'd be a little scared... if yr looking for classic psychs just to get away from dxm, yr in it for the wrong reason... you should really take some time off drugs all together & get yr head on straight... god forbid you stumble on some heroin, i feel like that would be a short spiral... seriously, bro, not trying to be a dick, but you are exhibiting every sign of true junkie behavior... be better than that...


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Re: I'm worried about grandiosity and drugs, especially my transition towards LSD/Shrooms.. help me out? [Re: leon trout]
    #18715764 - 08/16/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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st1llnox said:I want to do a new sig, "no DXM since..." but I know I'm not ready to until I have alternatives to slake my need to trip, like MXE or something.




man, if you could just read yr posts from a third person perspective, i think you'd be a little scared... if yr looking for classic psychs just to get away from dxm, yr in it for the wrong reason... you should really take some time off drugs all together & get yr head on straight... god forbid you stumble on some heroin, i feel like that would be a short spiral... seriously, bro, not trying to be a dick, but you are exhibiting every sign of true junkie behavior... be better than that...




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Re: I'm worried about grandiosity and drugs, especially my transition towards LSD/Shrooms.. help me out? [Re: leon trout]
    #18716788 - 08/16/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Dont even start with ketamine if youve got a problem with dxm, it can be very addictive and your not coherent enough to bring anything useful back from a k hole




This is good to know. I've already come to understand and accept that things like MXE, Ketamine, and (though I haven't abided well on this one) DXM are only okay for occasional fun and exploration. Pretty much nothing besides weed can be used as casually and often as weed.

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Yeah, you'll really like them. And for when you're down, check out the poem "Invictus" by William Henley Earnst.

I need to figure out motivation because I've just been stalled in life. At least they prescribe ambition tablets for my ADHD :shrug:




Cheers. Fantastic poem!

When I said motivation, I actually meant the motivations of my action, why I or other people do certain things. I've been obsessively analytic all my life, which is something else I'm trying to drop.

..and that's the point in meditation. It isn't about achieving, attaining, amassing; it's about stripping away, becoming less.

Thanks for the suggestions, I've downloaded that book.




Dude glad you enjoyed it, and I think the book will really fortify your resolve. I'm hyperanalytical too and it has really gotten in the way sometimes when it comes out where it doesn't belong, like trying to be super analytic about dating, for instance.

How you describe meditation almost makes it sound a little bit of what I was liking so much about the psychedelic experience of DXM.

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WHEEEW thanks for that... Glad to know it's a thing and not just me. I was really worried about what psychological implications this may have, or what it could mean but of course it's the drugs. :highfive:





It's not just the drugs in some cases.
For some people doing drugs brings out underlying mental illnesses.




This has been thoroughly explored and ruled out with a fair degree of confidence over the last two years of my life, but this is something important for people to consider. I would also posit that drugs can leave lingering effects (sometimes long-lingering) that have some of the same features (a subset, I mean) of classic mental illnesses.

It's also important to say that a lot of times, things are misinterpreted as mental illness, either prominent and flagrantly showing or as being underlying issues coaxed out by drugs, when in fact... it is the drugs.

Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention though! :thumbup:

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st1llnox said:I want to do a new sig, "no DXM since..." but I know I'm not ready to until I have alternatives to slake my need to trip, like MXE or something.




man, if you could just read yr posts from a third person perspective, i think you'd be a little scared... if yr looking for classic psychs just to get away from dxm, yr in it for the wrong reason... you should really take some time off drugs all together & get yr head on straight... god forbid you stumble on some heroin, i feel like that would be a short spiral... seriously, bro, not trying to be a dick, but you are exhibiting every sign of true junkie behavior... be better than that...




I appreciate your concern and I can't help but concede that you do have a good point there. I'm super reckless too: a strong potentiator of many a drug problem.

DXM's role/place in things falls under what I'm wanting to get out of the classic, "real" psychs. That said, I'm also looking for new experience, new perspective, and, fuck... just a fun time (although it's clear to me that psychedelics are not something you do cause you're bored on a Tuesday or because you and your friends are looking to get fucked up).

My best friend, and many on here, are convinced that shrooms will help me understand myself more and see more clearly the ways I've been hurting myself, perhaps even imparting a will to do better for myself. :thumbup:

That said, I'm not expecting any of that--I'm going into it with an open mind. I also am adamant (to myself and about others) that using a drug to solve an issue with another one isn't problem solving; it's potentially replacing it.

So instead of leaning on that, I'm simply practicing self control, restraint, and moderation with some decent success so far.

Thank you deeply for your concern though, and it's clear I need to do SOMETHING besides "not doing DXM" to take care of this.


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Re: I'm worried about grandiosity and drugs, especially my transition towards LSD/Shrooms.. help me out? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18717766 - 08/17/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

in mythology there happened anciently a transition from linarb mythology of the Goddess to solar mythology of patriarchal and militaristic mindsets. The latter tried to subsume and suppress the former.

This is a greatdeep overview and explains the difference between ego transcendence, and the grandiosity you fear:

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Reading The Sun God chapter from, The Great Cosmic Mother: Rediscovering the Religion of the Earth, by Monica Sjöö and Barbara Mor :” This was the pattern: The sun hero who vanquishes “evil” in the form of monster serpents or dragons was originally a moon hero, like Hercules, and as such the son/lover of the Great Goddess. In moon mysteries he overcame death in ecstatic self-transcendence experiencing luminous oneness with her. But when he becomes the patriarchal sun hero, he kills the Mother Goddess in Her dark underworld-serpent aspect. Instead of transcending his ego, he “transcends” the whole world, cosmic union giving way to worldly conquest and destruction of the sources of life. He destroys life in the name of “conquering death”. Jungian psychoanalysts interpret this process as the liberation of the individual ego---the male ego, of course---from the “forces of darkness” and “the unconscious”, i.e., the mother. The hero’s action in rescuing the “maiden” from the dragon symbolizes, Jung says, the freezing of his own anima—his essential self—from the “devouring” aspect of the mother. This almost suggests that woman, in herself, is merely a projection of the male anima; and indeed that’s what women are in most patriarchal systems. Jungians have never shown an awareness of the politics of mythology---or of mythology as the history of the preliterate real world. The sun hero is doing more than “liberating his ego” from the mother; he is “liberating” his being from responsibility to the being of the world. He liberates himself by arrogantly and recklessly destroying the interconnecting webwork of which he is a part---and then the “tragic hero” is surprised when he looks around himself, and sees nothing but wasteland and death…The sun hero slashes through the timeless web of interconnecting life energy and lays it all waste, in order to enjoy swift satisfaction, fame, and conquest. Conquest of what? Of the fact that life is paradox: (1) the fact that psychic powers are deeply hidden and dangerous, needing to be guarded by wisdom (the serpent guarding the treasure), and (2) the fact that their release can cause destruction as easily as integration. The sun hero wars against the double-edged reality of the cosmic process, slashing through paradox, denying cyclic recurrence and the serpent wisdom that comes with it, refusing to believe that his ego must die before the true magic power can be safely revealed. From Marduk to Superman, he is a little boy warring against the subtle (serpentine) nature of life: demanding it be made neat, simplistic, logical, unambiguous, designed as a flat stage for his triumph---and nothing more.
In The Second Sex Simone de Beauvoir catalogues men’s hatred and fear of woman because she presents him with the ambiguities with life and death, his classic response to these ambiguities is denial and conquest. (pages 255-256)
“The pattern was repeated everywhere. The Sumerians* who invaded Mesopotamia circa 3000 BC plundered the superior civilization of the settled matriarchal inhabitants, and put their own solar king on the throne. The solar king was surrounded by solar priests, who “rewrote” religion into a mythic-spiritual rationalization of war, conquest and “royal” hierarchy. Since the Sun God rose to power through war and conquest, it follows that the mythology, popular epics, and religious doctrine of worldwide patriarchy should stress and glorify the virtues of warriors. Facism is inherent in a patriarchal worldview. Life came to be seen as a battleground in which the victor deserves his spoils” (pages 257-258)




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