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The risks of getting vaccinated??
#18714058 - 08/16/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Got into a debate with a friend yesterday and at one point I just couldn't go on because of the lack of knowledge on the subject.
Kind of a hot topic these days but does anyone know where I can get some solid info about this? Many say you must get vaccinated or the entire "heard" is at risk. Many others say getting vaccinated causes health problems down the road IE autism in children and other things.
Are Big phrama and government just sucking money out of people and or keeping them sick to keep the cash rolling in. Or SHOULD everyone be gettings these shots for the better good of us all??
Where do I stand? As said above Im not very well versed but you should deff have the choice. I don't think its the best idea to blind get these shots because some asshats say you should. It is my understanding that many don't want you to even have the choice and are trying to make it a crime to deny vaccines to you and especially your children.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714098 - 08/16/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Idk how I feel about this kind of stuff anymore. All I do know is last year I didn't get a flu shot, and I ended up w the flu for two weeks.
This year imma get it because I felt like death for those two weeks lol
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#18714113 - 08/16/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't personally have much knowledge on the subject, but I have a friend who is a pharmacists and she recommends NOT getting a flu shot. She said that there is all sorts of nasty stuff in the flu vaccine. Weird metals, weird strains of the flu virus.
From what she says, essentially the CDC does a ton of studies to figure out which new evolving strain of the flu will hit us the hardest this season, and then they put those strains into the vaccine to help your body ward it off.
My question is, why the fuck would you want to shoot yourself up with the flu, even if it possibly helps you from catching it. I'd rather get contaminated by grabbing a door handle and my body trying to fight it off naturally.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714119 - 08/16/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dont get shots for pussy shit like the flu, your immune system will be lazier than you are.
But unless you want the measles or TB, I'd get vaccinated.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714120 - 08/16/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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HeyImShroomy said: I don't personally have much knowledge on the subject, but I have a friend who is a pharmacists and she recommends NOT getting a flu shot. She said that there is all sorts of nasty stuff in the flu vaccine. Weird metals, weird strains of the flu virus.
From what she says, essentially the CDC does a ton of studies to figure out which new evolving strain of the flu will hit us the hardest this season, and then they put those strains into the vaccine to help your body ward it off.
My question is, why the fuck would you want to shoot yourself up with the flu, even if it possibly helps you from catching it. I'd rather get contaminated by grabbing a door handle and my body trying to fight it off naturally.
Indeed, I certainly feel how you do about this.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#18714131 - 08/16/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Dont get shots for pussy shit like the flu, your immune system will be lazier than you are.
But unless you want the measles or TB, I'd get vaccinated.
Or mumps?
It just sounds like a bunch of hyped up fear mongering bullshit to me I have never nor do I know or heard of anyone getting the serious shit they tell us we need and our children need to get these shots for.
Im not saying people do not get the mumps or TB because they obviously do.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714148 - 08/16/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You might want to read books on the subject. Trite forum discussion about complex matters will get you nowhere. One lecturer who was completely against them advised people to read the book, "A Shot in the Dark."
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: s240779]
#18714158 - 08/16/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Da2ra said: You might want to read books on the subject. Trite forum discussion about complex matters will get you nowhere. One lecturer who was completely against them advised people to read the book, "A Shot in the Dark." 
Well thanks for the book recommendation but I will glady post about whatever the fuck I want on here.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
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It just sounds like a bunch of hyped up fear mongering bullshit to me I have never nor do I know or heard of anyone getting the serious shit they tell us we need and our children need to get these shots for.
Im not saying people do not get the mumps or TB because they obviously do.
THIS^^^
With our advances in the medical sciences, we are way beyond giving our children vaccines to ward off those 1 in a million diseases.
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In the United States, a total of 11,182 cases of TB were reported in 2010, of which 670 (6%) cases were among children less than 15 years of age.
That's from the CDC's website. I'd like to see how much the numbers jump up if we stopped giving children vaccines. I have no fear that our medical industry can suffice without the use of vaccines.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714179 - 08/16/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It just sounds like a bunch of hyped up fear mongering bullshit to me I have never nor do I know or heard of anyone getting the serious shit they tell us we need and our children need to get these shots for.
Im not saying people do not get the mumps or TB because they obviously do.
THIS^^^
With our advances in the medical sciences, we are way beyond giving our children vaccines to ward off those 1 in a million diseases.
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In the United States, a total of 11,182 cases of TB were reported in 2010, of which 670 (6%) cases were among children less than 15 years of age.
That's from the CDC's website. I'd like to see how much the numbers jump up if we stopped giving children vaccines. I have no fear that our medical industry can suffice without the use of vaccines.
Apparently that is the argument. Apparently SO MANY people have stopped vaccinating that some of these diseases are making a comeback. Someone mentioned that in the debate I was having. I judt didn't have the info to tell them to fuck off. Could be true. Or are these diseases just mutating?
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts] 4
#18714195 - 08/16/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts] 1
#18714213 - 08/16/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You want to know why those diseases are one in a million? BECAUSE WE STARTED TO VACCINATE FOR THEM. So much facepalm in this thread.
Its so sad and amazing that it's easier to believe that the medical industry is a giant mind control or whateverthefuck conspiracy, but not that it's been working on this shit for hundreds of years and has found vaccines to work.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714215 - 08/16/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being.
Actually, most people who are against vaccination think that vaccines are based on misguided science or an all out conspiracy and that they could be harming their kids. I'm not making any assertions, I'm just telling you what they think.
Personally, I know nothing, but I think that people should give the "conspiracy" literature a chance. Read the entire book and at least asses their arguments. 
You sound really negative. You sound like the people who say that people who do any illegal drug at all have no regard for their health. Well, there's plenty of literature that justifies the use of an illegal drug. And such is the case with anti-vaccine. Whether that literature is based in fact, like I said, I'm not making any postulations. But whether it's true or not, it's out there, and when something is out there, there are people who believe it. So don't say people are disregarding the health of their children when their's information out there that makes them believe that they're actually protecting their children.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight] 1
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It just sounds like a bunch of hyped up fear mongering bullshit to me I have never nor do I know or heard of anyone getting the serious shit they tell us we need and our children need to get these shots for.
Im not saying people do not get the mumps or TB because they obviously do.
THIS^^^
With our advances in the medical sciences, we are way beyond giving our children vaccines to ward off those 1 in a million diseases.
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In the United States, a total of 11,182 cases of TB were reported in 2010, of which 670 (6%) cases were among children less than 15 years of age.
That's from the CDC's website. I'd like to see how much the numbers jump up if we stopped giving children vaccines. I have no fear that our medical industry can suffice without the use of vaccines.
Apparently that is the argument. Apparently SO MANY people have stopped vaccinating that some of these diseases are making a comeback. Someone mentioned that in the debate I was having. I judt didn't have the info to tell them to fuck off. Could be true. Or are these diseases just mutating?
I could just be talking out of my ass, or my pharmacist friend, but this is what I've "heard"
The CDC is constantly fucking with the known viruses in an attempt to mutate them. They could be mutating them to better understand them, or to create weapons, who the fuck knows.
But in my opinion, it's just evolution. We evolved by making drugs to counteract some viruses and bacterial infections, and in return the viruses have to evolve to continue their existence. Now it doesn't help that our government enjoys tampering with nature, because before we know it we will have an uncontainable disease that could possibly destroy us all.
As for me personally, I don't plan on use vaccines anymore. And if I someday have children, I won't allow them to be vaccinated. Hell, the stuff they put in our food is bad enough as it is, best not add anything else on top of that.Quote:
NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Now can you prove, without a doubt, that there is nothing harmful in these vaccines? For all you know, you are pumping your children with toxins, which disgusts me personally. Check your facts, son!
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714232 - 08/16/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Proof?
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Lynnch]
#18714236 - 08/16/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: You want to know why those diseases are one in a million? BECAUSE WE STARTED TO VACCINATE FOR THEM. So much facepalm in this thread.
Its so sad and amazing that it's easier to believe that the medical industry is a giant mind control or whateverthefuck conspiracy, but not that it's been working on this shit for hundreds of years and has found vaccines to work.
Yeah Big Pharma for example is ALWAYS DOING ITS BEST TO KEEP US HEALTHY right? Constantly pushing drugs on us to the point that pharmaceuticals drugs are more abused than all of the street drugs combined.
Put that in your fuckin pipe.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714241 - 08/16/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714283 - 08/16/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Proof?
The opposition is the one making the ridiculous claim. I have no burden of proof to show that 2+2=4
Take a look at the incidence rates of every major illness that we have invented a vaccine for, look at the date the vaccine was invented, and look at the incidence rates of the illness before and after.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
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Constantly pushing drugs on us to the point that pharmaceuticals drugs are more abused than all of the street drugs
yes big pharma is forcing the poor helpless innocent people into abusing medication 
personal choice has nothing to do with it?
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Constantly pushing drugs on us to the point that pharmaceuticals drugs are more abused than all of the street drugs
yes big pharma is making people abuse medication 
this belongs in board/99
Don't you know, they put drugs in the drugs to make you more addicted to the drugs. It certainly couldn't be that humans excercise poor self-control and constantly avoid taking responsibility for their actions. Much easier to blame something else, like Evil Corporations.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts] 2
#18714314 - 08/16/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you want actual data from clinical studies, then pull the medication labels. Adverse events from cinical trials appear there. Real-world adverse events are likely to be slightly higher.
Injection site pain is the most common adverse reaction from kids receiving the "Proquad" measles mumps rubella vaccine. This occurred in about 22% of kids getting the vaccine.
Fever, irritability and measles like rash also occur. Occurring in 21.5, 6.7 and 3 percent of children.
Sever adverse reactions like encephalitis and encephalopathy occur in about 1 in 3 million. No deaths occurred in a study in Finland examining 1.5 million kids.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: s240779]
#18714360 - 08/16/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being.
Actually, most people who are against vaccination think that vaccines are based on misguided science or an all out conspiracy and that they could be harming their kids. I'm not making any assertions, I'm just telling you what they think.
Yep I did phrase that badly.
But where do you draw the line between negligence and ignorance?
It still disgusts me but I agree they are doing it because of a misguided opinion based on really bad advice from people who have caused a lot of harm to a lot of people by spreading this misinformation
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714408 - 08/16/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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To stay relevant to the OP I don't think that vaccines should be mandatory.
but they should be mandatory for things like travelling abroad, entering public schools, etc.
anything involving taxpayers, possibly endangering others unnecessarily, or other special privileges.
if you want to sit in your home unvaccinated go right ahead
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714419 - 08/16/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Proof?
The opposition is the one making the ridiculous claim. I have no burden of proof to show that 2+2=4
Take a look at the incidence rates of every major illness that we have invented a vaccine for, look at the date the vaccine was invented, and look at the incidence rates of the illness before and after.
Im just asking you to cite sources for your claims. Im not one to just take someone's word for it.
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Constantly pushing drugs on us to the point that pharmaceuticals drugs are more abused than all of the street drugs
yes big pharma is making people abuse medication 
this belongs in board/99
Don't you know, they put drugs in the drugs to make you more addicted to the drugs. It certainly couldn't be that humans excercise poor self-control and constantly avoid taking responsibility for their actions. Much easier to blame something else, like Evil Corporations.
You two know damn well that drugs are pushed on people who don't necessarily need them and become dependent. Not not some random conspiracy theory.
Big pharma is BOOOOOOOMING and causin the most harm.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
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I don't get flu shots, but when it comes to getting vaccinations as a child for things like Polio, Rubella, etc. I think you are a fucking INSANE to get get your child those vaccinations. Vaccinations causing autism...lol please. The guy who printed the information supporting that ended up retracting it. It's total shit.
Look at the existence of small pox and how it used to effect us until we came out with a vaccine for it. Now small pox vaccinations aren't required or given almost at all, and it doesn't pose a risk to us. If a doctor is telling me my child needs a vaccination because he/she could get XYZ disease and they are trying to eliminate the disease like small pox then I'm going to give it to my child because 1- the risk of having side effects is EXTREMELY small 2- the risk of having my child infected by a disease is higher than a vaccination side effect means they are getting protection.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714441 - 08/16/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im just asking you to cite sources for your claims. Im not one to just take someone's word for it.
Just for the sake of conversation here is one graph.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
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Im just asking you to cite sources for your claims. Im not one to just take someone's word for it.
Just for the sake of conversation here is one graph.
they will all look just like this.

So it seems that even though many are not vaccinating these days the numbers remain low. Then why the outcry from people saying YOU MUST YOU MUST YOU MUST?
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714467 - 08/16/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: So it seems that even though many are not vaccinating these days the numbers remain low. Then why the outcry from people saying YOU MUST YOU MUST YOU MUST?
Because the REASON the numbers are low is because of the vaccinations.
If you stop vaccinating, the numbers will increase.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: badchad]
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DeadHearts said: So it seems that even though many are not vaccinating these days the numbers remain low. Then why the outcry from people saying YOU MUST YOU MUST YOU MUST?
Because the REASON the numbers are low is because of the vaccinations.
If you stop vaccinating, the numbers will increase.
WHy have they not increased? At least according to that graph? Many people choose to avoid vaccines these days and they should have that right to do so.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said: So it seems that even though many are not vaccinating these days the numbers remain low. Then why the outcry from people saying YOU MUST YOU MUST YOU MUST?
Because the REASON the numbers are low is because of the vaccinations.
If you stop vaccinating, the numbers will increase.
WHy have they not increased? At least according to that graph? Many people choose to avoid vaccines these days and they should have that right to do so.
They don't increase because the number of people not getting vaccines is so low. if we stopped vaccinations the numbers would indeed go up.
if you have a room of 100 people and only one of them isn't vaccinated, he's not going to catch it from the other 99 people so he will be safe.
the more people that don't get vaccinated the higher the risk of an outbreak.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Food for thought (No mentions of vaccinations though although still relevant)
Stearns and a long list of scientists presented their findings on this evolution-medicine link at the Arthur M. Sackler Colloquium in the spring of 2009. The results, announced publicly today, are now published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For example, previous work in evolutionary medicine has helped to explain some reasons why disease is so prevalent and difficult to prevent: Natural selection favors reproduction over health; biology evolves more slowly than culture; and pathogens evolve more quickly than humans.
They describe these and other connections between evolution and sickness along with possible explanations. Here are the highlights: •Humans evolved alongside beneficial bacteria and parasitic worms, and so our ancestors built up immunity to such bugs. But nowadays with increased hygiene, we've eliminated the bacteria and worms. The result: Since our immune systems aren’t used to these good bugs, our bodies fight them as foreigners. That can result in allergies, asthma and autoimmune diseases, such as Graves' disease in which a person has an overactive thyroid. •Humans have higher rates of cancer than other species. One reason: We aren't adapted to the new risk factors of modern society, including tobacco, alcohol, a high-fat diet and contraceptives, researchers have found. •Certain adaptations that once benefited us might be helping several ailments to persist in spite of, or perhaps because of, advancements in modern culture and medicine, according to researchers.
With respect to evolution and culture, here's a case in point: Harmful mutations are often recessive, and so both parents must pass on the gene in order for the disease to show up in offspring. And while natural selection has supported outbreeding (breeding with people other than close relatives), culture hasn't always followed suit. Across the globe, about 10 percent of spouses are second cousins or closer, the researchers say, with the prevalence ranging from 1 percent to 50 percent in different cultures.
The inbreeding can cause recessive genes that should only have a small effect on mortality to have a much larger impact.
http://www.livescience.com/6021-ongoing-evolution-explain-mysterious-rise-diseases.html
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714501 - 08/16/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can you cite a source saying that the amount of people who don't get polio vaccines is going up yet it's still staying low?
Pretty much everyone gets their kid polio vaccination.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: badchad]
#18714512 - 08/16/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because at this point, the number of people refusing vaccines is relatively small. In addition, the spread of the disease is low because transmission is limited by the number of people already vaccinated (e.g. limited carriers).
This is the rationale behind "herd immunity".
If I'm vaccinated, I will not get sick. However, disease can still spread and propagate among my non-vaccinated community members. However, if everyone is vaccinated then: 1. The vaccinated people cannot get sick. 2. The disease cannot spread or propagate, because it cannot infect the vaccinated individuals.
Once this occurs, a disease can be almost completely eradicated. This is why its important to get vaccinated.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714514 - 08/16/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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They don't increase because the number of people not getting vaccines is so low. if we stopped vaccinations the numbers would indeed go up.
if you have a room of 100 people and only one of them isn't vaccinated, he's not going to catch it from the other 99 people so he will be safe.
the more people that don't get vaccinated the higher the risk of an outbreak.
Yet outbreaks continue to happen. And is your little analogy even true? Maybe for certain viruses but definitely not all.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714516 - 08/16/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool graph, now where is the ingredient list to all these vaccines? Now that's what I want to see.
Gatorade is good for you and all, but does that mean that the Yellow 5 or the monopotassium phosphate that they add in there is good for you? No, they aren't actually.
Does anyone talk about the "aluminum salts" or "formaldehyde" that are added into vaccines? No, they don't, and there is nothing good about putting formaldehyde into your body, or your childs body for that matter.
When it comes down to it, it's a personal choice. You make the mental decision whether you find these things healthy for you or not, and you act on those choices. I don't think anyone is right or wrong in this matter. It's all up to you to decide the lesser of the evils.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts] 1
#18714526 - 08/16/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
•Humans have higher rates of cancer than other species. One reason: Mircrowave ovens.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714527 - 08/16/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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HeyImShroomy said: When it comes down to it, it's a personal choice. You make the mental decision whether you find these things healthy for you or not, and you act on those choices. I don't think anyone is right or wrong in this matter. It's all up to you to decide the lesser of the evils.
I think the lesser of two "evils" is not getting fatal and debilitating viruses
I can see why someone would disagree
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714552 - 08/16/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said:
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HeyImShroomy said: When it comes down to it, it's a personal choice. You make the mental decision whether you find these things healthy for you or not, and you act on those choices. I don't think anyone is right or wrong in this matter. It's all up to you to decide the lesser of the evils.
I think the lesser of two "evils" is not getting fatal and debilitating viruses
I can see why someone would disagree 
And I believe the lesser of the two evils is not shooting yourself up with a foreign substance, let alone one that you know nothing of what's in it.
Gotta love opinions. Everyone's got one, just like a booty hole, or so the saying goes.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HalluciNate]
#18714555 - 08/16/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
•Humans have higher rates of cancer than other species. One reason: Mircrowave ovens.

I guess someone has to laugh at ur jokes. That was not in the article.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714577 - 08/16/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im not sure enough studies are being done on the subject across the board. Its really hard to find non biased info on this shit.
Im still not seeing proof that if we stop vaccinating the number of outbreaks will rise. There will always be outbreaks and more likely from a mutant strain of something that we cannot predict thus rendering certain vaccines useless.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714610 - 08/16/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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More food for thought. Should start at the 39 min mark.....
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714636 - 08/16/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Im not sure enough studies are being done on the subject across the board. Its really hard to find non biased info on this shit.
Im still not seeing proof that if we stop vaccinating the number of outbreaks will rise. There will always be outbreaks and more likely from a mutant strain of something that we cannot predict thus rendering certain vaccines useless.
Dang it DeadHearts! I wanted to rate you for 1. Having an open mind on this subject and 2. For also living in the Mitten. If you are every around K-Zoo, feel free to hit a fellow shroomerite up!
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight] 1
#18714643 - 08/16/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Having seen a child have a sever reaction to a vaccine first hand I will never be convinced that they are completely safe. That being said, unwavering talking points on both side of the argument frustrate me.
Yes vaccines can cause some scary reactions, including Guillain–Barré syndrome which if you are not familiar with you should look it up. On the other hand, getting any one of the illnesses we vaccinate can be just as tragic as the rare negative reaction to a vaccine.
I think the choice to vaccinate yourself or your children should always be a personal decision, but you should be well informed and make your decision after carefully weighing what you are risking going with either option.
You can check out VAERS to see all the reported reactions to vaccines.
http://vaers.hhs.gov/index
Make informed decisions, and don't blindly believe either side of the argument because there is risk on both sides of the fence. They are not perfectly safe or pure evil and ultimately you are responsible for the consequences of your decision on your family.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: WordSoup]
#18714656 - 08/16/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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WordSoup said: Having seen a child have a sever reaction to a vaccine first hand I will never be convinced that they are completely safe. That being said, unwavering talking points on both side of the argument frustrate me.
Yes vaccines can cause some scary reactions, including Guillain–Barré syndrome which if you are not familiar with you should look it up. On the other hand, getting any one of the illnesses we vaccinate can be just as tragic as the rare negative reaction to a vaccine.
I think the choice to vaccinate yourself or your children should always be a personal decision, but you should be well informed and make your decision after carefully weighing what you are risking going with either option.
You can check out VAERS to see all the reported reactions to vaccines.
http://vaers.hhs.gov/index
Make informed decisions, and don't blindly believe either side of the argument because there is risk on both sides of the fence. They are not perfectly safe or pure evil and ultimately you are responsible for the consequences of your decision on your family.
Wise words from one of our newer members! Glad to have you here WordSoup. Good perspective you've got yourself there!
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714663 - 08/16/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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DeadHearts said:
•Humans have higher rates of cancer than other species. One reason: Mircrowave ovens.

I guess someone has to laugh at ur jokes. That was not in the article.
I have a friend who fought brain cancer.
One day I set him aside, and asked him with great sincerity if he had ever stared at his food in the microwave.
To his surprise he did actual remember doing this. Immediately after I informed him to stop.
So IMO it's a great idea to stay away from those machines while they're in use.
It sucks when you're cooking something on the stove top, and someone decides to pop something in the microwave. I can literally sense the radiation, and I can't just walk away from whatever I'm cooking.
Spirulina & Chlorella are some great supplements to protect against damage from radiation. Melatonin aswell, but I cannot find mine.
I found the useful information above in the Magic Keys thread.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HalluciNate]
#18714680 - 08/16/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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HalluciNate said:
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DeadHearts said:
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DeadHearts said:
•Humans have higher rates of cancer than other species. One reason: Mircrowave ovens.

I guess someone has to laugh at ur jokes. That was not in the article.
I have a friend who fought brain cancer.
One day I set him aside, and asked him with great sincerity if he had ever stared at his food in the microwave.
To his surprise he did actual remember doing this. Immediately after I informed him to stop.
So IMO it's a great idea to stay away from those machines while they're in use.
It sucks when you're cooking something on the stove top, and someone decides to pop something in the microwave. I can literally sense the radiation, and I can't just walk away from whatever I'm cooking.
Spirulina & Chlorella are some great supplements to protect against damage from radiation. Melatonin aswell, but I cannot find mine.
I found the useful information above in the Magic Keys thread.
I know a guy who had to have both balls removed because he developed testicular cancer from climbing a radio tower (without proper equipment and protection). He thought it would be fun to climb it and get an awesome view, but it turns out that all those radiowaves our phones send out caused a mutation in his junk.
Gotta watch out for that radiation!
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HalluciNate]
#18714695 - 08/16/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its just so interesting to me that this great grand product is so great that the people that refuse it are just too stupid to notice HOW GREAT IT IS rather than notice the harm it can also cause.
I wish I got paid to study this shit.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714701 - 08/16/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Yeah it's just as bad as parents not taking their kids to the doctor because they don't think it's needed. I bet 90% of the board is vaccinated atleast. Question, are you guys suffering? Do you guys have illnesses that over half the population would get in the days before vaccines?
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714716 - 08/16/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I got a vaccination a few months ago and then I started getting coldshakes. Pretty freaky.
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Yeah it's just as bad as parents not taking their kids to the doctor because they don't think it's needed. I bet 90% of the board is vaccinated atleast. Question, are you guys suffering? Do you guys have illnesses that over half the population would get in the days before vaccines?
Im not vaccinated. Im fine. Guess Im just mooching off you all. How convenient.
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Yeah it's just as bad as parents not taking their kids to the doctor because they don't think it's needed. I bet 90% of the board is vaccinated atleast. Question, are you guys suffering? Do you guys have illnesses that over half the population would get in the days before vaccines?
I think many people do drag their kids to the doctors way to much for things that don't actually require professional medical intervention.
Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't agree with people who won't take their child to the doctor for anything even when they really need to see a competent medical professional, but so many parents I meet don't even know how to deal with basic sickness and think their kid is going to die because they caught a cold. My kid's pediatrician agrees with this view.
If you are going to have children, then learn how to clean a cut and break a fever sheesh.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: WordSoup]
#18714765 - 08/16/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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WordSoup said:
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Distorted Vision said:
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Yeah it's just as bad as parents not taking their kids to the doctor because they don't think it's needed. I bet 90% of the board is vaccinated atleast. Question, are you guys suffering? Do you guys have illnesses that over half the population would get in the days before vaccines?
I think many people do drag their kids to the doctors way to much for things that don't actually require professional medical intervention.
Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't agree with people who won't take their child to the doctor for anything even when they really need to see a competent medical professional, but so many parents I meet don't even know how to deal with basic sickness and think their kid is going to die because they caught a cold. My kid's pediatrician agrees with this view.
If you are going to have children, then learn how to clean a cut and break a fever sheesh.
Bingo.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: WordSoup]
#18714767 - 08/16/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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WordSoup said:
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Distorted Vision said:
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NWlight said: People who don't get vaccinated are mooching off the immunity of the rest of society.
There are some very UNLIKELY risks associated with vaccines, and some throughout history more than others.
Not vaccinating your children is honestly disgusting to me as it shows little regard for their well-being. the safety and effectiveness of vaccines is beyond proven it is medical fact, period, the end.
Yeah it's just as bad as parents not taking their kids to the doctor because they don't think it's needed. I bet 90% of the board is vaccinated atleast. Question, are you guys suffering? Do you guys have illnesses that over half the population would get in the days before vaccines?
I think many people do drag their kids to the doctors way to much for things that don't actually require professional medical intervention.
Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't agree with people who won't take their child to the doctor for anything even when they really need to see a competent medical professional, but so many parents I meet don't even know how to deal with basic sickness and think their kid is going to die because they caught a cold. My kid's pediatrician agrees with this view.
If you are going to have children, then learn how to clean a cut and break a fever sheesh.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18714775 - 08/16/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: More food for thought. Should start at the 39 min mark.....
watched from 39 to the end.
at 1:08:15 at the top of her summary slide:
"polio in the 1800s to 1950s was not just a single viral illness, therefore a vaccine could not have eliminated it" this is the point she was making during the majority of the video.
check the dates on my graph I posted again.

You wisely picked a very controversial issue: polio.
Check the graphs for every virus we have created a vaccine for, however, and you will see the same immediate and drastic decline directly after the invention and implementation of the vaccine
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#18714881 - 08/16/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Dont get shots for pussy shit like the flu, your immune system will be lazier than you are.
I don't think you know what shots are.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18714886 - 08/16/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know a guy who had to have both balls removed because he developed testicular cancer from climbing a radio tower (without proper equipment and protection). He thought it would be fun to climb it and get an awesome view, but it turns out that all those radiowaves our phones send out caused a mutation in his junk.
Gotta watch out for that radiation!
Yeah that didn't happen.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Shroomerited] 1
#18714892 - 08/16/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you are going to quote all the BS in this thread one post at a time it'll take a few pages so you may want to hold off
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18714901 - 08/16/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Shroomerited]
#18715039 - 08/16/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know a guy who had to have both balls removed because he developed testicular cancer from climbing a radio tower (without proper equipment and protection). He thought it would be fun to climb it and get an awesome view, but it turns out that all those radiowaves our phones send out caused a mutation in his junk.
Gotta watch out for that radiation!
Yeah that didn't happen.
Why so much hate on the shroomery today? God forbid people have experiences and opinions of their own! Do me a solid, climb a cell phone tower, and go get yourself checked for cancer. We can make a study out of it!
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
#18715061 - 08/16/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's nothing to have an opinion about. This is about misinformation. Radio waves don't cause cancer. There's no opinion there. They just don't. What you said simply isn't true.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Shroomerited]
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Cell phones use a non-ionizing electronic radiation to send signals from one phone to another. These high frequency radio waves (also known as microwaves) can cause mutations in human tissues.
When on top of a radio tower, you are exposed to thousands of these signals. Just think about all the people in your area using cell phones. Where do those signals go to make communication? The cell phone towers. Thousands of text messages, phone calls, and other nonsense are sent through these towers every minute. Without the proper equipment, you are over exposing yourself to these signals, which will in turn create mutations in your body.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: HeyImShroomy]
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HeyImShroomy said: Cell phones use a non-ionizing electronic radiation to send signals from one phone to another. These high frequency radio waves (also known as microwaves) can cause mutations in human tissues.
Citation needed.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Shroomerited] 1
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In case you didn't know.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#18715186 - 08/16/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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polio isn't so bad. walking is over rated.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said: Got into a debate with a friend yesterday and at one point I just couldn't go on because of the lack of knowledge on the subject.
Kind of a hot topic these days but does anyone know where I can get some solid info about this? Many say you must get vaccinated or the entire "heard" is at risk. Many others say getting vaccinated causes health problems down the road IE autism in children and other things.
Are Big phrama and government just sucking money out of people and or keeping them sick to keep the cash rolling in. Or SHOULD everyone be gettings these shots for the better good of us all??
Where do I stand? As said above Im not very well versed but you should deff have the choice. I don't think its the best idea to blind get these shots because some asshats say you should. It is my understanding that many don't want you to even have the choice and are trying to make it a crime to deny vaccines to you and especially your children.

AFAIK all the evidence is anecdotal, I don't see how trained doctors are "blind asshats" (try going to school to be a doctor and then consider what you are by comparison). You have no idea what big pharma actually does.
Some kids are autistic. Some kids who are autistic got a polio vaccine. So what? That's like accusing somebody of a murder because he was a Yankees fan.
People do have the power to choose for themselves, we also have to live with those walking germ farms so it's natural they get disrespected for their irresponsibility.
It is my understanding that many want many things. For example, many want vaccines to be illegal. And they are the most retarded of all.
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SMH. You guys benefit when smart people take the vaccines because those germs aren't floating around any more. The vaccines benefit you even when you don't take them and you still whine about them. It's all about you, isn't it? The least you could do is be grateful.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: s240779]
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Here's an example of anti-vaccine sentiment. 
This person obviously does not know his so called facts. I am a doctor and have plenty of training in the medical industry. As the others have posted, the decline in these diseases started well before the inventions of vaccines mainly due to the increase in sanitation and reduction in poverty. The medical and pharmaceutical communities have tried to take credit for this decline and influenced the public through its propaganda. I am not asking you to believe me, but definitely learn the facts before you subject your children to vaccines and make a decision for yourself. I truly believe that you will come to the same conclusions I have and that's the fact that these vaccinations are unnecessary.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: AWS]
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I don't usually get flu vaccines, actually, just the major ones-- polio, tetanus, what have you. I don't really mind getting the flu, it's just an excuse to loll around at home for a week or so and to have somebody pamper me. I guess it actually kills some people though. 
I got a flu vaccine last time and it was pretty neat. It was like a tiny little spray bottle. No injections, just a little blast of gimped viral particles into your nose.
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I got a meningitis shot a few years ago and it made me pass out
Haven't gotten one since then.
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i suspect, this is essentially an anti vaccine misinfo thread.
effective, for those without the education, ridiculous to those with education.
this is what happens, when ya crash the educational system, and, peeps under 50 forget things like polio........ ya get jenny mcarthy science.
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anne halonium said: this is what happens, when ya crash the educational system, and, peeps under 50 forget things like polio........ ya get jenny mcarthy science.
Hopefully that's the worst we get. And not some mutant polio strain.
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Haven't gotten one since then.
that was called a vasovagal response and it was likely an anxiety response to the needle, had absolutely nothing to do with the shot or its contents
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NW: I must say that I am impressed with your knowledge and your stance on the issue. Sure, we have different perspectives on vaccination use, but I applaud your diligence in sharing what you know and standing firm to your beliefs. I respect your position on the issue, and at that, I tip my hat to you, and leave this thread for the archives. It was fun while it lasted, but I have expelled all the energy I want to on this issue.
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Haven't gotten one since then.
that was called a vasovagal response and it was likely an anxiety response to the needle, had absolutely nothing to do with the shot or its contents
I'm not afraid of the needle
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Legend]
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Probably why you passed out to it. Perfectly repressed fear. You just literally demonstrated that you don't think.
Kudos.
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DeadHearts said: Got into a debate with a friend yesterday and at one point I just couldn't go on because of the lack of knowledge on the subject.
Kind of a hot topic these days but does anyone know where I can get some solid info about this? Many say you must get vaccinated or the entire "heard" is at risk. Many others say getting vaccinated causes health problems down the road IE autism in children and other things.
Are Big phrama and government just sucking money out of people and or keeping them sick to keep the cash rolling in. Or SHOULD everyone be gettings these shots for the better good of us all??
Where do I stand? As said above Im not very well versed but you should deff have the choice. I don't think its the best idea to blind get these shots because some asshats say you should. It is my understanding that many don't want you to even have the choice and are trying to make it a crime to deny vaccines to you and especially your children.

AFAIK all the evidence is anecdotal, I don't see how trained doctors are "blind asshats" (try going to school to be a doctor and then consider what you are by comparison). You have no idea what big pharma actually does.
Some kids are autistic. Some kids who are autistic got a polio vaccine. So what? That's like accusing somebody of a murder because he was a Yankees fan.
People do have the power to choose for themselves, we also have to live with those walking germ farms so it's natural they get disrespected for their irresponsibility.
It is my understanding that many want many things. For example, many want vaccines to be illegal. And they are the most retarded of all. 
-You actually believe that a "Doctor" is not capable of greed or negligence? Misuse of trust?
-Why don't you tell us what the fuck big pharma really does??
"Some kids are autistic. Some kids who are autistic got a polio vaccine. So what? That's like accusing somebody of a murder because he was a Yankees fan."
That's fucking retarded Talk about SCIENCE!!
"People do have the power to choose for themselves, we also have to live with those walking germ farms so it's natural they get disrespected for their iresponsibility."
I am certainly not left with a feeling of disrespect from anyone concerned with the choices I make especially when it comes to my distrust of corporations and government. (Do what they say kids. They will keep you safe).
"It is my understanding that many want many things. For example, many want vaccines to be illegal. And they are the most retarded of all. [/"
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I don't know the risks, but I sure as shit don't trust them things.
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Man, I just can't wait until there are enough of you vaccine deniers for eradicated diseases to start eating away at you. This is how natural selection works.
Just wait till you get polio and can't walk, I bet you'll blame weather balloons or something.
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•Humans have higher rates of cancer than other species. One reason: Mircrowave ovens.

I guess someone has to laugh at ur jokes. That was not in the article.
I have a friend who fought brain cancer.
One day I set him aside, and asked him with great sincerity if he had ever stared at his food in the microwave.
To his surprise he did actual remember doing this. Immediately after I informed him to stop.
So IMO it's a great idea to stay away from those machines while they're in use.
It sucks when you're cooking something on the stove top, and someone decides to pop something in the microwave. I can literally sense the radiation, and I can't just walk away from whatever I'm cooking.
If microwaves were emitting radiation at any level that could possibly cause cancer, they wouldn't be sold or used. This entire paragraph is hogwash. There is absolutely no risk of cancer from using a microwave or even getting cancer from microwaving your food in plastic containers. It is all spice.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: SoreSpore]
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I've looked at food in my microwave literally hella times and never gotten cancer.
So dude, it's just science that microwaves don't cause cancer.
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Da2ra said: Microwave Cooking, the Hidden Hazards
Microwave Cooking is Killing You!
Microwaving & Irradiation Dangers - A Collection of Articles
LOL
this can't even be serious
from this: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cook6.php
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They studied the effect that microwaved food had on eight individuals, by taking blood samples immediately after eating. They found that after eating microwaved food, haemoglobin levels decreased. "These results show anaemic tendencies. The situation became even more pronounced during the second month of the study".
Try a credible source like Harvard's medical journal.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: SoreSpore]
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That link only addresses "Microwaving food in plastic." Does not address the effects on blood or anything else.
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Can you provide me more information on the subject other than from www.healingnaturallybybee.com? Links to actual case studies or publicized and reviewed publications?
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No. Sites like that are good enough for me in some cases because I'm content to err on the side of caution.
For all you know, something is fully academically justifiable, but you don't have the time to dig the stuff up, so why not just err on the side of caution?
Also, someone told me that he's prepared steaks by putting them in the microwave for an extended period of time. He told me they taste very bad. I see that as a matter of concern. But I guess taste isn't technical enough for you.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
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I like watching idiots get Flu shots every fall. Then they almost without fail, get sicker than the people who avoided the shots.
You would think after a few years of that. The idiots who we're all getting sick would not fall into the "Without This NEW and IMPROVED VACCINE" your going to get sick or die propaganda by the Billionaire Drug Companies.
People should wise up and ask the Drug Company CEO's to take their own shots on Television.
I'll give you 20:1 odds that the CEO's don't let their kids get the shots nor take them either.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: spore baby]
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I have, so far, delayed vaccinating my kid. We have a family history of reactions to vaccines and that makes me not want to risk it.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: DeadHearts]
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I'm not gonna read the 5 pages of replies, just gonna post my own thoughts.
I've never been vaccinated and I see no fucking point. I've gotten the flu a few times in my life, not that big of a deal, really. You eat some fucking chicken noodle soup and lay on the couch for a week at most. 
The whole, 'it harms everyone' thing is just stupid. You don't wanna get sick, get the vaccination. You get the vaccine and I don't, you're not gonna get sick, BECAUSE YOU GOT THE VACCINE... in no way does me not getting your stupid vaccine do any bit of harm to you.
I don't know if it causes autism or aids or w/e the fuck people want to say, I don't care either because I'm not gonna shoot myself up with some magic vaccine the government hands out
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LOL, this fuckin thread... Microwaves give you cancer and vaccines make you retarded  Holy fuck, this is just wow. If drugs make you this paranoid then you shouldn't be doing drugs. Or reproducing...
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http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2595/does-microwaving-kill-nutrients-in-food-is-microwaving-safe
Does microwaving kill nutrients in food? Is microwaving safe? May 6, 2005
Dear Cecil:
We have friends who insist they won't eat microwave-cooked items and refuse to own a microwave oven, claiming it has deleterious effects on the nutritional value of food. I chuckle over their sensitivity--seems most restaurants today serve many items that are cooked rapidly using microwaves, so I'll bet our friends eat some of these foods unknowingly. My wife, however, is becoming alarmed over their queer beliefs. Please give her peace of mind. Are our friends' fears groundless, or am I the goat on this one?
— Norm, via e-mail
Probably your friends are getting worked up over nothing, but this is one subject where you want to resist sweeping pronouncements. On its face, antimicrowave propaganda (you'll find loads of it on the Web) is none too persuasive--some of these people have yet to comprehend the crucial distinction between ionizing and nonionizing radiation. (Ionizing radiation is the nuclear, i.e., dangerous, kind, which includes X rays, gamma rays, etc; nonionizing is everything else, e.g., microwaves, not to mention light.) When you dig into the research, though, you realize the controversy isn't all hooey. On the contrary, what we've got here is one of the great coal-mine fires of science--an argument that, in this case, has been smoldering for 50 years without resolution. Unexpected recent developments, though, make me think we may get to the bottom of this pup yet.
The central issue is whether there's such a thing as a "microwave effect"--that is, whether microwaves do anything that conventional heating methods don't. The main way microwaves heat up a plate of leftovers is by causing the food molecules to vibrate--an accelerated version of what ordinary cooking does. The microwave effect, if it exists, is more mysterious and potentially a lot scarier. For example, some conjecture that certain frequencies of microwave radiation can resonate with food, body tissues, and whatnot. Just as a low-power radio wave reaching a tuned-in boom box can rattle windows, a seemingly innocuous beam of microwave energy striking a harmonically attuned target may have disruptive effects. Microwave ovens aren't the only or necessarily the most urgent cause for alarm, either. Another significant source of microwaves, admittedly of a different frequency, is the ubiquitous cell phone, which people hold for extended periods to their ears, only a few centimeters from their brains.
The mainstream response to fear of microwaves is generally: You're on crack. For years the common view among scientists has been that the microwave effect is a myth and that whatever happens in a microwave oven happens because stuff gets hot. But disquieting indications to the contrary persistently come to light. For instance, in a paper often cited by microwave foes, doctors at Stanford University (Quan et al, 1992) reported that microwaving frozen breast milk sharply reduced the potency of the natural infection-fighting agents it contained. "The adverse effects . . . are difficult to explain on the basis of hyperthermia [high heat] alone," they wrote.
Yeah, sure, whatever. But now that attitude may be shifting, in part because of that unexpected development I was telling you about: microwave ovens' finding their way out of the kitchen and into the laboratory. Scientists have long used microwave ovens to heat up their coffee just like everybody else, but in the late 1980s they came to a startling realization: The ovens could greatly accelerate useful chemical reactions, sometimes by a factor of a thousand. Processes that once took hours, days, or months could be completed in minutes, often without the toxic solvents previously required. Initially researchers used consumer-model ovens they bought at the appliance store, but soon realized what chicken potpie lovers had known for years, namely that an ordinary microwave oven is not a precision instrument and often gives unpredictable results. With burgeoning interest in "microwave chemistry" and a corresponding push to improve microwave hardware, a few big heads conceded that maybe it was time to inquire more deeply into how these things actually worked. The matter has yet to be fully elucidated, but already some think the microwave effect may not be a myth after all: "One suggestion," a bunch of chemists wrote recently, "is that this is some form of 'ponderomotive' driving force that arises when high frequency electric fields modulate ionic currents near interfaces with abrupt differences in ion mobility."
You'll excuse me if I don't translate. My point is, a lot more people who can say "ponderomotive" without blinking are now burning up the dendrites trying to figure out what microwaves do, a necessary first step in determining whether that's good or bad for those less interested in ionic currents than lunch. Granted, none of this resolves your question, mainly because we still don't have enough info to answer it with anything other than paranoid speculation or empty reassurance. But at least there's the prospect that someday we will.
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do u drink tap water?
do you believe in western medicine?
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My water comes from a well. I dislike drinking tap water but will drink it as a last option. I believe that western medecine has use but I try to avoid it unless it is the last option. I also eat a very nutrient rich diet consisting of mostly fruits and vegetables which keeps me healthy and feeling great.
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IKR? Today has seen a lot of absurd thread revivals but this one just might take the fucking cake.
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My water comes from the tap. I dislike drinking from wells, but I will drink it if it's filtered. I believe that western medicine has its use but I try to avoid it unless it is the last option. I also eat a very nutrient rich diet consisting of mostly meat, cheese, fiber-rich cereals and Triscuits, and beer which keeps me healthy and feeling great.
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P.S. I'm glad my parents weren't retarded enough to think it might be a bad idea to vaccinate me against polio.
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NWlight
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thank whatever god there is some reason in this universe 
I honestly just want the best for everybody here, but Quote:
some people are immune to good advice"
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Sea Cucumber



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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18797496 - 09/04/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't gotten the flu in easily 10 years. Never had one of those flu shots. Fuck em.
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The Nutter



Registered: 11/26/12
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They wanted to pump our newborn FULL of shit.
After carefully evaluating the facts one can dig up, we decided to opt out on most. He still ended up getting a couple for the more serious diseases. But from what I remember, I think it was 3 vaccines total, when they wanted to do like 10 or something. But I found it quite disgusting how they were trying to spew their misguided OPINIONS on us. sigh, this threads full of them on both end of the spectrum. Fact of life.
That being said, he is now 3 and has been placed on what they call the "autistic spectrum", though he's high functioning.
He was breast fed until a year old. He has only had one minor flu is entire life, lasted a day. Compared to all the other children around his age in his life, he's the healthiest of the bunch. It seems all of the kids regularly get colds and flus.
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: NWlight]
#18797702 - 09/04/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What kind of morons refuse to vaccinate their children?
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Constantine
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#18797730 - 09/04/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thread gave me cancer.
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Legend
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Constantine]
#18797741 - 09/04/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is that man or woman? Or it's hippy.
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NWlight
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Legend]
#18798078 - 09/04/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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thelanzii


Registered: 11/13/12
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Quote:
BlindSophist said: P.S. I'm glad my parents weren't retarded enough to think it might be a bad idea to vaccinate me against polio.
If I get polio I get polio... Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No need to degrade my reply. My kids will be home birthed and not vaccinated. I have never had a shot in my life and I like it that way. so fuck off.
enjoy your nutrition from a cows tit
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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: thelanzii]
#18798912 - 09/04/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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^ Natural selection at its finest
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thelanzii


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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: Constantine]
#18798962 - 09/04/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whatever you want to call it. Havent been sick in years... years. Yet I remember all my highschool friends ripping on me for not getting shots... yet they would get sick multiple times throughout year for days even weeks at a time. Lost faith in pharma when I was so easily prescribed two bullshit meds which made me have symptoms 10x worse than what I was initialy feeling. Fruits and vegetables is all I need.
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s240779

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Re: The risks of getting vaccinated?? [Re: s240779]
#18799060 - 09/04/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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