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Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job
#18713321 - 08/16/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So on Sunday I wasn't scheduled to work but I received a call shortly before 5pm asking if I could come in ASAP to cover for someone who was a no call no show for his 430 shift. Well, I had a pretty 9% 24oz IPA around noon with my lunch, and then I had started drinking at about 330pm. I had had exactly 4 1/2 shots of vodka in two screwdrivers in a little under 90 mins. I am Irish and I live up to my heritage, so I wouldn't say I was drunk however I can't deny that I certainly had a very healthy buzz going that was approaching drunk, but I was embarrassed to tell them that I was already entertaining a buzz by the time 5pm rolled around on a Sunday, so I told I had put my car in the shop for repairs since it was my day off. They said "we can arrange for someone to pick you up; please come in we really need you we had one call in and oneno call no show". So I said okay fine, brushed my teeth, ate, and had someone come pick me up for no reason cuz my car is fine lol. Though I suppose it was good so I didnt have to drive semi drunk. I was nervous it would be him who got me and he'd notice but it was my corworker- who did notice but doesnt care, he talks about boozing all the time.
About an hour into my shift my Asst Manager approaches and pulls me aside. When we get outisde he just asks me whether or not I've been drinking. I say yes but lied and gave the standard "two beers" excuse and explain what happened with getting called in on my day off. He said a customer commented that they smelled alcohol on my breath and he said he could smell it too and he said he also noticed some slur to my speech- that it seemed like I'd had more than 2 beers. So he gave me a breathalyzer and my BAC was .15. He sent me home and suspended me for the week and said they'd be in touch.
So I was told today that I'm being terminated. I'm sad, I really liked this job and felt that I was an asset the company; in fact I'm surprised they didn't try to find a way to overlook it, however it is a very professional company. Do you think I did anything wrong or did I get kind of screwed over? I told him I felt it was unfair and he said if I'd been honest they would've told me not to come to work and this wouldn't have happened. But I felt like they were really pulling my leg to come in.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted] 5
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713332 - 08/16/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You let them breathalyse you? Wtf? Should of just said you had had a few beers on your day off....
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713335 - 08/16/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: So on Sunday I wasn't scheduled to work but I received a call shortly before 5pm asking if I could come in ASAP to cover for someone who was a no call no show for his 430 shift. Well, I had a pretty 9% 24oz IPA around noon with my lunch, and then I had started drinking at about 330pm. I had had exactly 4 1/2 shots of vodka in two screwdrivers in a little under 90 mins. I am Irish and I live up to my heritage, so I wouldn't say I was drunk however I can't deny that I certainly had a very healthy buzz going that was approaching drunk, but I was embarrassed to tell them that I was already entertaining a buzz by the time 5pm rolled around on a Sunday, so I told I had put my car in the shop for repairs since it was my day off. They said "we can arrange for someone to pick you up; please come in we really need you we had one call in and oneno call no show". So I said okay fine, brushed my teeth, ate, and had someone come pick me up for no reason cuz my car is fine lol. Though I suppose it was good so I didnt have to drive semi drunk. I was nervous it would be him who got me and he'd notice but it was my corworker- who did notice but doesnt care, he talks about boozing all the time.
About an hour into my shift my Asst Manager approaches and pulls me aside. When we get outisde he just asks me whether or not I've been drinking. I say yes but laid and gave the standard "two beers" excuse and explain what happened with getting called in on my day off. He said a customer commented that they smelled alcohol on my breath and he said he could smell it too and he said he also noticed some slur to my speech- that it seemed like I'd had more than 2 beers. So he gave me a breathalyzer and my BAC was .15. He sent me home and suspended me for the week and said they'd be in touch.
So I was told today that I'm being terminated. I'm sad, I really liked this job and felt that I was an asset the company; in fact I'm surprised they didn't try to find a way to overlook it, however it is a very professional company. Do you think I did anything wrong or did I get kind of screwed over? I told him I felt it was unfair and he said if I'd been honest they would've told me not to come to work and this wouldn't have happened. But I felt like they were really pulling my leg to come in.
why didnt you just tell them you couldn't because it was your day off and you we're already buzzed?
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: wortiesbo]
#18713343 - 08/16/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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why didnt you just tell them you couldn't because it was your day off and you we're already buzzed?
I dunno man it was a bit of an impulsive lie. I didn't consider that they might would offer to give me a ride, seems odd to me for such a professional company. I thought even if I said I'd had a beer or two they'd ask me to come in because of how desperate they sounded, but not if I were completely honest about my choice of Sunday activity
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted] 4
#18713353 - 08/16/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you had said: "sorry can't come in today, drunk as a skunk" then you'd have:
a. Not had to go to work on your day off b. Not been fired!
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Dawks]
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Dawks]
#18713359 - 08/16/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dawks said: If you had said: "sorry can't come in today, drunk as a skunk" then you'd have:
a. Not had to go to work on your day off b. Not been fired!

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Dawks said: If you had said: "sorry can't come in today, drunk as a skunk" then you'd have:
a. Not had to go to work on your day off b. Not been fired!

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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: AWS]
#18713366 - 08/16/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You were definitely in the wrong. You don't show up reeking of booze in a professional setting. EVERYONE smells that shit on you.
I really don't see why you lied. 5pm isn't early at any means to be drinking.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713379 - 08/16/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry bud but you are in the wrong. Next time you are requested to come in and you're drunk, tell them no. It's as simple as that. Life goes on and you'll land another job.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Uzziel]
#18713392 - 08/16/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Uzziel said: You were definitely in the wrong. You don't show up reeking of booze in a professional setting. EVERYONE smells that shit on you.
I really don't see why you lied. 5pm isn't early at any means to be drinking.
like i said impulse; self image protection
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713398 - 08/16/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Unfortunately, you're in the wrong OP.
Sucks that it went down while you were trying to go above and beyond, but you can't drink on the job.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Fire is Born]
#18713400 - 08/16/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fire is Born said: You let them breathalyse you? Wtf?
Exactly what I thought while reading it.
No way I would let an employer do an on the spot breath analysis.
Unless you've signed some company policy that states they're allowed to do so?
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Prole]
#18713408 - 08/16/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fire is Born said: You let them breathalyse you? Wtf?
Exactly what I thought while reading it.
No way I would let an employer do an on the spot breath analysis.
Unless you've signed some company policy that states they're allowed to do so?
I figured it was an act of good faith; refusing to take it just seems inherently dishonest. They're not cops, it isn't a legal situation, they are just asking you as an employee to do them a favor. They could have fired me on the spot just for suspicion and/or the mere smell and confession of having consumed two. there is definitely a no tolerance policy I signed. But throughout the conversation and up until I got the call I believe I would be able to keep my job because I perform very well at it and I feel I was an asset a new and weak company with a lot of potential to do well in the right hands.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713421 - 08/16/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand where you're coming from man.
My advice is never feel loyal to a company and never feel obliged to go out of your way to help an employer if it's going to cause havoc in your life.
Something I've learnt in my working career.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Prole]
#18713427 - 08/16/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Unless you've signed some company policy that states they're allowed to do so?
Not sure how it works in the US, but in most cases you can are only legally obliged to partake in random D&A testing if you are employed in a 'safety critical' position. As stated above, this is fairly explicit in your contract of employment. However, most employers can choose to add this if they wish for almost any position out there.
You are in the wrong on this one because every company [I assume yours included or you could file for unlawful dismissal] has a Drug and Alcohol policy. Usually summed up in that you can't do either prior or during a shift.
I know it's not what you want to hear, but you would of been so much better off telling them you'd been drinking on your day off as you could have really brought the house down on them for discriminating against you for that.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713433 - 08/16/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I figured it was an act of good faith;

Next time you get high walk into a police station and tell them you're on drugs as "an act of good faith." I'm sure they'll see that you're an asset to the community and send you on your merry way.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Prole]
#18713437 - 08/16/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd say that their in the wrong for calling you on your day off, your cool enough to go in then they get all high and morally mighty on you. Find out who turned you in for drinking and kick the shit out of them.
I mean, what's the fun of being Irish if you can't do anything stupid.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713448 - 08/16/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry for your shit luck. I've done the same thing before but it didn't end so badly for me. I guess it depends on the sort of job you are working, because I was in food service at the time, and we were preparing for a function and it gave me a chance to drink copious amounts of coffee before I ever had to interact with any customers.
It's a hard life lesson, but next time you should at least be up front with your employer. I know it seems difficult to admit to someone in that position that you've been drinking, but it was your day off, and you probably weren't considering yourself to be "on call" for them. That being said, if you have a job that you care deeply about, and wish to rise within the ranks, you might want to weigh your responsibilities against your vices. 5pm drinking is perfectly reasonable, if you ask me.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713458 - 08/16/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you work at a restaurant? Last time I had a job where I could potentially be "called in" to cover for some fuck wit co workers, I tried to play it off like you as well. I would always oblige because I thought I'd be doing my reputation with the boss/company a favor.
I didn't get fired but basically got taken advantage of because I was hoping to keep good report. I would come in and cover for people being "sick" and they'd be out having fun and getting drunk or whatever. It might suck to hear, but if you got fired that easily they might not have valued you that much in the first place.
Fuck that place and move on. You're a smart person from what I've read, and you'll find a company who values your work ethic to the point of not calling you on your days off unless something is on fire or tons of money was lost/has the potential of being lost.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: idiotek]
#18713468 - 08/16/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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idiotek said: Sorry for your shit luck. I've done the same thing before but it didn't end so badly for me. I guess it depends on the sort of job you are working, because I was in food service at the time, and we were preparing for a function and it gave me a chance to drink copious amounts of coffee before I ever had to interact with any customers.
It's a hard life lesson, but next time you should at least be up front with your employer. I know it seems difficult to admit to someone in that position that you've been drinking, but it was your day off, and you probably weren't considering yourself to be "on call" for them. That being said, if you have a job that you care deeply about, and wish to rise within the ranks, you might want to weigh your responsibilities against your vices. 5pm drinking is perfectly reasonable, if you ask me.
I know that starting drinking at 5pm is the golden standard of social acceptability. This is sort of what I had in mind when they were calling me at 448pm and I've already had 7.5ish standard drinks since noon on a Sunday.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713482 - 08/16/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I drink very early in the day from time to time, I wasn't trying to rake you over the coals. It just sounds like serendipity fucked you this time around. I'd take it in stride as best you can and consider it a favor that they did for you, since I can't imagine any good job breathalyzing me after calling me in on my day off. Most people understand how it is in those situations, bosses/managers included, and wouldn't do that to someone who is essentially doing them a favor.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713498 - 08/16/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That sucks when shit like that happens. I've gotten in trouble for shit that happened during a shift that I was nice enough to come in on my day off to cover. Sucks.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: nicechrisman]
#18713785 - 08/16/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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thanks chris for living up to your username and giving me what i actually wanted- sympathy, instead of what I explicitly said wanted (opinions/feedback). why cant more people be more considerate?
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted] 1
#18713862 - 08/16/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So when you asked what we think, you really meant... tell me what I want to hear.
Maybe write your question this way next time:
"What do you think??? But don't really tell me what you think. Tell me what I want to hear so I can go on blaming others for my lack of honesty."
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted] 1
#18713871 - 08/16/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You aren't making very much sense.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted] 1
#18713936 - 08/16/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you're going to lie at least make up a good one. You could have just said you were out of town, instead you went into work inebriated and lost your job. I'm sure even just telling them the truth would have landed you in a better situation than what you did.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18713986 - 08/16/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, that just sucks. If you'd only have said "I'm drunk, can't work" you'd have had the day off and still have your job.
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luvdemshrooms said: So when you asked what we think, you really meant... tell me what I want to hear.
Maybe write your question this way next time:
"What do you think??? But don't really tell me what you think. Tell me what I want to hear so I can go on blaming others for my lack of honesty."
duh. everyone (myself included) wants people to tell them what that they want told; it's a tautology. its your job to be considerate and read between the lines like nicechrisman instead of just being another socially inconsiderate online anonymite
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18714198 - 08/16/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: duh. everyone (myself included) wants people to tell them what that they want told; it's a tautology.
Not at all. Some, when asking what people think, actually want to know what they think.
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its your job to be considerate and read between the lines like nicechrisman instead of just being another socially inconsiderate online anonymite
Right. Like when your significant other says... 'you should know what I want". Or "you should know what I'm thinking". Or "you should know what I mean".
Bullfuckingshit.
Many of us have matured enough to assume that those who ask a question actually want a truthful answer.
Protip: Don't ask if you don't want to know.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18714318 - 08/16/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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pfft 'truth'
i thought this was a shroom forum
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
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hint guys
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18714620 - 08/16/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So did your boss lend you an errand boy to give you a ride back home after? I'm assuming they cut you loose before the shift was up.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Great Scott]
#18714666 - 08/16/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have pulled the "im already drunk" card a few times. Its not worth the risk. Fucking sucks dude, sorry.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted] 1
#18715011 - 08/16/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man this really sucks. You tried to lend them a hand when they needed it, and on your day off at that. Jobs aren't the easiest thing to come by these days...especially ones that you actually like.
My heart goes out to you, OP. It really does. Very unfortunate situation.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Niffla]
#18715098 - 08/16/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You will find a job that is even better.
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: Great Scott]
#18715369 - 08/16/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: So did your boss lend you an errand boy to give you a ride back home after? I'm assuming they cut you loose before the shift was up.
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trampis
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: morrowasted]
#18715489 - 08/16/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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. . . refusing to take it just seems inherently dishonest.
. . . but lying about your car being in the shop didn't seem inherently dishonest?
As has already been said, you should have just been honest from the beginning.
Someone who likes to start drinking early is not as bad as someone who is going to lie about it.
If you are going to be dishonest about something this silly then what else might you lie about?
Maybe that is why they decided to terminate you
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Rewindicus
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Re: Is this BS am I in the wrong? RE: lost job [Re: trampis]
#18717784 - 08/17/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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lesson learned man dont make up stupid lies. as previously said the truth would have still given you the night off and youd still have a job. I work in the medical field no beers or drinks are tolerated ever if they try to call you in. SO when they call i just say "oh sorry i just finished my 3rd beer" theres never any questions after that. And if they even then tried to pull you in your are well within your right to say NO.
but that self image preservation got in the way as its known to do. Good lesson for the future though man. Hopefully you had a savings or not much bills to coast on till you find a new job. You wont be able to get unemployment so better start hittin the pavement! And figure out what your gonna tell new jobs is the reason you were let go. I wouldnt even mention the alcohol. If your still in good standings with previous job id get with them and find out what they would or are willing to say is the reason you left.
get your stories straight dont lie if you dont have to but if you do be good at it bud.
-------------------- “Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.”- Dr. Seuss "Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful!" - Mae West "If you have nothing nice to say about anyone, come sit next to me." - Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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