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Discomfort during and hours after LSA
    #18712988 - 08/16/13 04:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So last night i used cold water extraction of LSA from some organic Morning Glory Heavenly Blue seeds.
I ground the seeds well and boiled some water, i let it cool and then put it in the fridge to chill it. When that was ready i poured in the water and a few squirts from a fresh lemon and shook every half hour for just over three hours. After I drank it I could have sworn I started noticing a shift in my perception and it took me a while to drink the thick brown gloopy water.. When i decided that it was kicking into effect I smoked about half a spliff and I felt happy excited and euphoric.
This was my second time doing this method of extraction except this time it was with much higher quality seeds and because they were better quality i decided to use 350 seeds but I then decided that wasn't enough so ground some up and ate it in apple sauce with a drip of milk ... YUK! Thats when it went arse up!
I had extreme nausea all night, i couldn't move for fear of getting sick I couldn't bear facing the other half of my spliff or eating or drinking or even just sitting felt like it was taking all my energy.. I felt so drained and kept looking at the veins in my arms cause I thought it was vasoconstriction that was causing me to feel this claustrophobic and that made it worse mentally.
At about half eleven in the night roughly 3 hours after ingestion my stomach was making noise and i realized it was still full of liquid!!
It was liker my body refused to digest it.. i tried to ride it out and sit patiently waiting for it to pass but i felt extremely depressed and sedated. Every now an then id decide i felt a little better and move around but not for long before i was sitting in a sorry heap again.
My vision was grainy and i enjoyed that but even later on i tried to sleep because i decided grainy vision wasn't amusing enough to distract from extreme nausea and my stomach was still full of liquid.
I ended up puking it all into a bucket at maybe half twelve-ish and then i felt trippy alright i enjoyed little lights in the dark and letting things disappear from my vision and letting them burst back, i felt so relieved after puking.
But its the next day and negative effects are still evident.
my Ankles feel bruised but it feels like my veins are sore or something I am extremely drowsy and overwhelmingly depressed.. I know this will pass but its racking my nerves. My skin feels tight almost and im just feeling claustrophobic.. would any body have an idea what might be causing this?


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: 8itlove]
    #18713231 - 08/16/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Same thing happened to me when I tried LSA, though I didn't have much after effects. Had intense nausea for awhile after I drank it. Eventually I thought of how it tasted once more and couldn't handle it any longer. Ran straight to the bathroom and threw that shit up! haha. came out laughing at everything.


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: 8itlove]
    #18713329 - 08/16/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The stomach distress you experienced is caused by not filtering the solid bits out. One time I blended the seeds as good as possible (I used a BlendTec) I still got stomach distress. Subsequent to this, I always yielded a particulate-free, liquid end product and there were no digestive issues beyond transient nausea (nausea didn't even occur when I used ginger).


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: imposiblefungonaut]
    #18713430 - 08/16/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The after effects a disappearing now thankfully!!
Thanks to doctor Green! :stoned:
It was more so the sloppy texture that had me gagging when i thought about it, towards the last few mouth fulls its like p.v.a glue or some shit haha. I still have a ton of seeds.. I think I might try another extraction method in a couple of weeks or repeat the water extraction with more seeds and not eat some in apple sauce ever again!
Im worried i wont be able to swallow it thinking about nausea and its horribility haha.
I'll drink it slowly and monitor how i feel I think because that nausea is just to shit to put up with!


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: s240779]
    #18713441 - 08/16/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I used a herb grinder with a crank and mulched up the seeds pretty well, but that said i only filtered it with a tea strainer and there was still bits in it but it seemed to little to matter at the time. Ill make sure I filter it better next time! :ooo:
But I think it might have been my impatience and then eating crushed seeds in apple sauce because I thought i didn't use enough, and i crushed about 100 seeds id say I just took a fistfull and grinded them!

I heard about using ginger for the nausea and thanks Il have some for next time aswell, do use lemon juice to acidify the water? Is that really necessary, I was thinking I might have used to much lemon aswell.
Overall I just got a really mild high and extreme nausea!


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: 8itlove]
    #18713446 - 08/16/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You can evaporate the water to yield a concentrate that can be ingested without tasting tasting the stuff  (stuffing it into capsules). I've asked on bluelight.ru about whether baking it in the oven at a low temperature would be too hot or not. I have two indications that this might be feasible.


It seems like the ergoline alkoloids present in morning glories, Rivea Corymbosa, and Argyreia Nervosa seem to be resistant to heat.

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I prepared tea by crushing and boiling the seeds.

And he did indeed get effects.

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Lemon juice is unnecessary, in my opinion.


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: s240779]
    #18713532 - 08/16/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Wooh!! I might give making tea a go.. Stan had a rough time!
I have plenty of seeds so Ill have to try evaporating it too!
Ill do it in the next two weeks or so and ill post it in the morning glories forum and link it here! :wink:
Thanks for the links man, not only is my 'hangover' gone but Im getting pumped for next time :grin:


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: 8itlove]
    #18713551 - 08/16/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like LSA lots of nausea and leg cramps.  :shrug:


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: s240779]
    #18713690 - 08/16/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Actually would you say I should evaporate it in a pot on a stove or on a low heat in the oven in a tray?


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: 8itlove]
    #18713738 - 08/16/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Boiling it down in a pot is sure to destroy it. Although the guy mentioned above had success making an infusion using boiling water, there's a huge difference between constant boiling and simply pouring boiling water into a container that contains ground up seeds. I'm not positive on using the oven on a low setting, but I think it would be fine. Make sure not to leave the preparation in the oven for an extended period of time after the all the water has been evaporated. And this process is done with a liquid filtrate of morning glory seeds. Use only glass or ceramic baking dishes. They scrape much better than metal.


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: s240779]
    #18713978 - 08/16/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting, I have some free morning glory's on the way to me with another purchase and will try some sort of extraction but im not sure which method yet as i still have alot to read up about it. 8itlove you said you tried it once before this time but with lesser quality seeds... what was your experience that time??

alot of reports ive read before usually indicate unease in the stomach and a generally bad time.... I have no problems with unease at the start of a session as ive had it from many substances before and see it as a necessary part of some things but the idea of a whole trip constantly focusing on my stomach doesnt appeal to me so much haha


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: Simple-Psyman]
    #18714085 - 08/16/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i've seeded about 5 times, experiencing bad nausea each time. the best trips i had were 400-500 seeds,ground up, and just drank straight in gatorade.yes,it is incredibly nasty to drink.the secret is to hold that down as long as you can...hopefully 20 minutes...then you can throw up violently and still trip balls.enjoy! make sure you trip outside!


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: Apeman]
    #18714163 - 08/16/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ive gotten a little bit of vasoconstriction
then again i havent really done it right yet
hopefully i can get some hbwr  :shrug:


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: s240779]
    #18714489 - 08/16/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The seeds vendor realized something and updated the product details..

The seeds are not Ipomoea Tricolor after all ... they are infact Cairica.
The fact that I felt mildly high and out of whack last night made me think that there is still LSA in this strain of Morning Glorys seeds and I couldn't find any information confirming it though.
Then I remembered Terrence McKenna saying that if the leaves aren't heart shaped it wont do it..

IPOMOEA CAIRICA


So im stuck now, I could try a different extraction I could try the same again with more seeds.. but then I could be going through horrible nausea with a chance that there is no LSA present at all..


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: 8itlove]
    #18714549 - 08/16/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Get a refund


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: Simple-Psyman]
    #18714567 - 08/16/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Cool your gettin them for free? How many seeds are you getting do you know?

The first time I used Johnsons seeds from a Supermarket and I had roughly 270 seeds and I did the same Cold water extraction minus the lemon squirts and I didnt get much nausea but I didnt get much of a trip I had mild euphoric sensations and I felt sedated and content! it was a nice experience!
I decided after that Im going to order a couple of ounces and use up to 500 to 600 seeds but when I received this batch the seeds were different, they were big and looked healthy in comparison to the store bought ones.

Ginger is meant to be great for easing nausea i havent tried it yet but everyone has said it is great!


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18714587 - 08/16/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I was thinking that, but Im not sure if I can because Im not supposed to be trying to extract the LSA :P

but I guess I was sold something that wasnt what it was :confused: if that makes sense Haha!!

Nah, I dont think I will they didn't cost me much and I got them from a good source!


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: 8itlove]
    #18720599 - 08/17/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Shit, there was one thing I forgot to mention!
I noticed I had a blocked nose literally 20 minutes to half an hour after ingesting!
I put it down to coincidence...
im a bit worried because I just found out by making tea from about 250 seeds, i dont know why i did it so early after the last attempt.. alot less seeds but it seems dodgey, and I feel like shit again.
back cramps blocked nose nausea!
Its worrying that I have put myself in this situation of physical strain so soon after my last attempt.. Think im gonna take a 20 minute walk.
I have become one of those people that say the bad out weighs the good in LSA.. I have one more thing to try, Hawaiian Baby woodrose seeds.. see if I have better luck!
Thats enough leg cramps and claustrophobia from Morning Glories for me thanks!


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: 8itlove]
    #18721420 - 08/18/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Every time that I have performed a CWE a lot of the negative side effects were still present, I'd say to give an extraction a go but I am yet to be successful in eliminating all of the negative effects. If it works really well when I do it in a few weeks I'll create a thread detailing my method.


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Re: Discomfort during and hours after LSA [Re: Sketch Turner]
    #18721844 - 08/18/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If it works really well when I do it in a few weeks I'll create a thread detailing my method



That would be great man! Are you tring a Cold water extraction?
I know that heat destroys LSAs but I have plenty of Ipoeoma Cairica seeds and decided that considering these seeds might not contain any LSA id give it a go, last night I had no psychoactive effects at all just strain on my body!
I came to the conclusion that if there is LSAs in Cairica seeds then I destroyed them with the settled boiled water and some of the negative ingredients in the seeds dissolved better in heat.. so I drank shit basically!
I cant give up, im determined to experience a good LSA trip.
I read that an ether extract if you find your right amount of seeds (not to little not to much) can be as amazing as acid.
I am going to try an ether extract with some actual heavenly blue seeds I have ordered.. Il keep you posted!
If that works Il try it again with the Cairica seeds to find out if there is any LSAs in that strain of Morning Glory!


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