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My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life.
#18712843 - 08/16/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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For starters, I am not psychotic. I have never been diagnosed with any psychological disorders, nor am I taking any medication. I am not insane.
When I was 15 maybe 16 I was an atheist. I recklessly burned bibles, bashed religion, and was the usual destructive asshole teenager. Lets get to the story.
I was a teenage kid, atheist. Tripping the night away I was forced into the outside world still incredibly intoxicated. It was very hot, humid, and I was fully clothed. I remember walking, up a hill, than I fell straight forwards onto my face. Next thing I can see is my body. I was above my own body instantaneously after I collapse. My thoughts were calm. I thought nothing of it. I remember looking at myself and thinking "That's me, I'm dead" without any emotion. I floated up higher and looked around my town. Everything is normal, cars rushing around, planes in the sky, the noises and commotion is all normal. This is still reality, this is real. I float higher up into the sky, only to start getting sucked further away from the town by what seems like a tractor beam. Something is pulling me away from earth. I cannot resist or break away!
I watch the ground move farther away. I see earths beautiful spherical ball of life floating in space, I am now not on earth. I get sucked passed the moon and out of the milky way galaxy. Something is drawing me in so fast stars streak by it looks as if I am moving at warp speed how light is streaking!!
EVERYTHING IS NOW WHITE
I sit thoughtless in a white abyss. No thoughts of the crazy events that just unfolded. Emotions are still not there, I am monotone emotionally. Out of the white I see this gold speck. Imagine one pixel, smaller maybe than this. I see this small speck grow. It manifests into a gold orb. This gold orb has the most beautiful silky, somewhat transparent gold color I ever seen. Not even gold itself comes close to this shade of gold. This gold, is righteous.
From within the gold orb flames start shooting off in all directions. These flames are also gold, but they don't flicker like flames from a fire. Their movement is more fluid. Its slower, they move with purpose, with intelligence, they stretch outwards and dissipate into the whiteness, out of my view. This gold orb announces its power to me. Suddenly I feel what we humans call entactogen effects. BUT THIS IS NOT YOUR AVERAGE FEELINGS FROM AN MDMA, OR STIMULANT EUPHORIA. No, no. No amount of any drug will ever bring anybody feelings to this degree. I believe its not humanly possible to feel these emotions to this extent.
I first remember feeling...familiar with who is before me. I feel like I already know this entity, who I will from here on refer to as god. I feel like how I do when I wake up and go into the kitchen and see my father, its nothing out of the ordinary. So I already know who I am with, yet I don't consciously remember meeting him before. Next come the feelings of love. All through out my childhood, teenage years to now, NEVER have I ever felt this sensation of being loved. I felt LOVED. I felt like this god had nothing but love for me, he expressed this through this sensation. This sensation of being loved was so intense, thinking about it now, makes me want to cry. Next I expressed my love. I was being loved, yet I Loved thy god back. I to this day never felt like I loved something to this extent. Not even my own family members, or love for myself, or pets. Never have I expressed love to this magnitude. Next come feelings of euphoria, this felt so good! Paired with the empathy and me giving love, maybe this generated this euphoria I speak of. I was full of glee. I was happy to be there. I felt like I was indeed cradled in the arm ofs the creator and nothing will come close to making me feel how he made me feel. He made me feel like I had no worries, no anxiety, no fear. I felt like I was home! This felt like being home! This did not come across as weird, or paranormal, this WAS the REAL normal, this..is actually reality.
"You have died, but it is not over yet" I hear without having ears. I am being spoken to, telepathically, by god who is before me. His voice was very manly. It was very loving, caring, sweet and gentle. He spoke with confidence and meaning. He than says "You may live forever as a free spirit to roam the astral plane, or you may return to earth, to achieve your life goal, it has not been completed."
I do not recall giving him any reply. Being god I don't think I had to, as he knows everything and knew what I wished to have happen after asking. All the feelings I spoke of get slightly more intense after he first speaks. I have no thoughts, I am just basking in the emotions.
"The meaning of lifeis to be happy. To be free from stress, fear, worry, trouble, and all unhappiness." God speaks again with this statement. He continues on about the meaning of life. He says "Life is about doing what you love, surrounding yourself with the people you love, and the things you love" God spoke again. He seems to speak in single statements, with a period of waiting in between. God started talking again and told me to "Treat others with respect, treat everybody the same no matter what their looks, ideals, opinions, or how they treat you. Love everyone and not hate" He told me to do no wrong to anybody. Just thinking about his words gives me euphoria. I hope I remembered everything he has told me. Its been a while since, but his voice is fresh in my mind.
After god spoke, just as fast as he pulled me from earth, I was thrown back to earth. I was about 500 feet above my body, in a different spot than when I had left. I looked down and saw an ambulance pulled over on the side of the road. I than saw paramedics and a police officer standing over me. I lowered myself and saw them rubbing their knuckles on my sternum in a failed attempt to wake me. I thought to my spirit self "Guess its time to go back" and slowly lowered to my body. As I got close, everything turned white again. I hear nothing as I gain consciousness in my body. This existence is alien to me. I think "This is life? Is this life?" I open my eyes to see some people in front of me just standing. I see paramedics to my left/right just standing. I thought "Is this all we do? Just stand here staring at each other?" From this moment on I was in/out of consciousness. Hospital treated me for having a seizure meanwhile I didn't have one. I remember being asked by nurses if I had done meth, or heroin, or crack. They couldn't figure out what I did. I knew who I was and where I lived but I could not respond properly without getting a stutter or getting stuck in a loop repeating a number of my address over and over till i stopped and blacked out again.
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What I think? I believe, I KNOW I met god. What I saw, what I was told, what I was feeling, was all real. At no point when god was telling me the meaning of life was I told to go to church. He did not tell me I had to believe in him, or worship him. He did not tell me I had to be religious. He did not tell me to go to church, or to even acknowledge him. He told me I died, but gave me an option to live or die? What makes me so special to get a second chance? He told me I had a life goal that I did not achieve. Is this goal special enough to him that I had to come back? Why oh why did he not tell me or even hint to what my goal is! I was going through life without meaning, purpose, or any ambition to do anything. God let me know how to live, he told me the answer to one of the most highly questioned topic "Whats the meaning of life?". He turned me from an bible burning atheist into a believer.
Conclusion Life is not what modern day society has made it. We do not need to excel in school, have vast fortune, or really...amount to anything. Life is far less serious than society makes it. Life is about being happy, doing what you love with those you love. Doing nothing but right to others by treating everybody the same, with respect, never hate. By doing this we can avoid stress, anxiety, all forms of negative emotion resulting in unhappiness. We should never bother ourselves with stress, even in the event of a stressful time. This, is what it means to live, this is what life is about, this is all we need to do to live through this experience on earth how god intended.
In today's society there is no spiritualism, we are spiritually disconnected. This is proven through the worlds lack of subconscious - conscious connection and the current state of our beloved America. Even those who are religious have no spirituality. Simply belonging to a religion and going to church means nothing in terms of how spiritual you are. Spirituality and religion are not the same, not even close. People every week think they are doing the right thing by going to church, its meaningless truly! God loves you no matter if you believe in this, or that, or follow this religion or that one. He loves you because you are you. All you must do to please him is to live, and be happy being alive in this reality he created for us.
Note: I emphasized (or tried too) the words reality. If you understand, you understand. I hope I made it clear to most. I LOVE to talk about this. I love to answer questions about spirituality, meditation, lucid dreaming, and life in general. I have made the connection with my subconscious and have become enlightened. You can't even imagine what you can do when connected with your subconscious, to be TRULY connected, and to know what you can do when connected.
Life is simple! Life is easy! You just need to know!
Ask anything, PM me about anything, converse with me about anything. I love to answer questions and teach what I was taught, and continued to teach myself. I never shared this experience anywhere else. This is the only place I deemed appropriate. The only place I feel will lead to me helping others with great success.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism] 1
#18713114 - 08/16/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everyone makes their own meaning to life. It's completely subjective imo. Outside of that there is no way to know what meaning there may be. Glad you had fun though.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Icelander]
#18713232 - 08/16/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's a meaning to life as a whole, than there's ones own meaning to their own life.
The meaning of life is to live. Right? We are created to be alive. When you simply live, stay happy, and avoid those negative emotions while doing what you love you can thrive to live life to the fullest while creating your own reality and reason for you being here.
Nothing is created without purpose. Life itself was created at one point for a reason. Much like a videogame console is created for a reason. Whats the meaning for a video game console? For people to buy and play interactive video games. An individual will have different views on their own video game console because they are an individual and have choices between various game types Action, Roleplay ect. The individual makes their own purpose for owning their console, yet the meaning for the console in general is the same, to play video games. If I made that make any sense, that mimics life. As we all are allowed to create our own meaning of life, life was not made with the purpose for us to re-write its meaning. Much like the meaning for owning a console is subjective between persons, the meaning is the same, to play videogames. The meaning of life can also be subjective, yet when it was created, it was made with one purpose, giving it one meaning. From within that meaning allows us to create our own reality and shape our own meanings for our own life, not life in general.
IMO there are multiple questions such as "Whats the meaning of life" or "Why are we here" which to an individual can be asked as "Why am I here?". The answer for "Why are we/I here" will be subjective because we are all different consciously. Life however is a constant. It does not change. There can be but one meaning for life as a base for us to build from. After all, that's what we do right?
Nobody has to follow the meaning of life. This meaning is sort of a mere guideline on how to live life to its fullest. We are installed to follow it. We're "programmed" or created to live, and you can't achieve a happy successful life if its filled with negative emotions, without ambition, or self creation.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18713259 - 08/16/13 06:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nobody has to follow the meaning of life.
That's because nobody know's what it is as I said. Your subjective meaning is just that and not mine or anyone else's. As to an over all meaning, well who knows.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Icelander]
#18713288 - 08/16/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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What if I explained it this way. When you are doing NOTHING with your life. Give your life "no meaning". You are living without purpose, no meaning right? So than you would think, there's no meaning to life. That is subjective right?
Or lets assume the opposite. You get a very good education, get the best job ever, make 150k a year income, and are happier than every. You might think the meaning of life is to learn be successful and make your own reality. That is also subjective right?
So essentially this is true, the meaning is subjective.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18713310 - 08/16/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No one lives with no subjective meaning imo. Many do acknowledge however that they don't see any overall objective meaning to their existence. As in they are in any way different or more than any other living organism or inorganic material thing for that matter and they don't know with any certainty why anything exists.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18713340 - 08/16/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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"The meaning of lifeis to be happy. To be free from stress, fear, worry, trouble, and all unhappiness."
makes good sense 
I've experienced the infinite love from LSD, infinite love was the last thing I felt
then the new me feels love everyday now like I used to many years ago
missed the old me I had forgotten for so long
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: lessismore]
#18713357 - 08/16/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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also I believe in the astral plane you mention, from a lot of lucid dreams, seen lots of weird beings there
you can separate from your body at any time if you want, if you got the patience, anybody can learn it , then you can fly around (better than any trip you feel light etc.)
it usually takes me at least 60mins to do so, usually 1-2 hours with WILD , or spontaneous with WB2B, or random with reality checking (that works not too good for me at this time)
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: lessismore]
#18713390 - 08/16/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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"When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’ They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life" - John Lennon
also, happiness is compatible with education :-)
happiness is compatible with doing what you love and appreciating what you have
I agree about the part about not seeking spirituality too any religion is fine, as long as you know you must do what you love, not what it tells you - it can only guide you
I think something speaks to you on psychedelic trips sometimes, it is my experience too haven't -seen- god, but I have gotten long messages from something that seemed to care about me and others , maybe higher self or some spirit of some sort, there were eyes everywhere both on LSD and mushrooms, multiple times
and the messages I have learned a lot from each time, always at the right time it seems, so am grateful for that
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: lessismore]
#18713465 - 08/16/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No one lives with no subjective meaning imo. Many do acknowledge however that they don't see any overall objective meaning to their existence. As in they are in any way different or more than any other living organism or inorganic material thing for that matter and they don't know with any certainty why anything exists.
Why is it they see no meaning to their existence? Why is it they don't know with certainty why anything exists?
Do we at least agree that we created this reality as a whole? Life is as it is because we changed things. Can we all agree this reality is not natural? Nothing we come into contact with every day is natural. Its all man made, even if made from whats in nature. You don't find paper in nature, but paper is made from wood. But that's besides the point. We're talking about life. Our life. Why are we, humans here. Whats life's meaning.
No matter what our opinions about life or its meaning, no matter if we are atheist, religious, believe in 1 god, 5 gods, a higher power not related to any god..whatever. No matter what we THINK the meaning is. We can THINK the meaning all we want. What I'm trying to say is, No matter what, there is only one thing that remains constant. WE ARE LIVING. If we are not living, than we are dead. So how can one argue that we are not here to do simply just that. Live? Not to mention I'm not saying I think such and such is the meaning of life. I didn't consciously think this, this is what I was told. So no matter what we do, what we change in reality if its ours or a group, or everyone's, we live. Living means having life. Life means...Quote:
a : the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body b : a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings c : an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction 2 a : the sequence of physical and mental experiences that make up the existence of an individual
Tie in consciousness with all of this, because to be conscious is to be aware, to have consciousness means to be aware. You cannot have human life without consciousness because for example, you can have life, which just simply means to be alive, alive meaning having life, not dead or inanimate. You can still have life, a functioning body, but not be aware, being in a coma. You are not conscious.
We don't need to be concerned with the meaning of life. Most people can't figure it out because...they are already doing it and think the answer is complex because that's what they think from being told the answer is unknown so its a mystery to them. Its not a mystery. The answer is two words, "To live" Not only do we already know the answer we know how to do it correctly.
The only answer now is either one of the following
How did we gain consciousness?
THAT, is the real question to ponder.
Still disagree?
We are aware due to what we call consciousness. This means consciousness actually gives us life. What is life? Life is what we experience daily through consciousness. It is our world, our space. What is the meaning of consciousness? To make us self-aware internally and aware of our external world so we can not just live, but be interactive, and intelligent.
We can figure that out. We can't go backwards to figure out where consciousness came from. That's what we all really argue over. People can't realize life is broken down farther than simply "Just being here". This is why people argue over the meaning of life. Not simply because they disagree with the meaning. Its because they are all trying to answer a different question! This question being NOT "What is the meaning of life" but instead "Who gave us consciousness"
It is in my only opinion that science AND religion are true. Science can prove how the universe was created, but not what triggered it beyond "The big bang". We can understand life why it is, science can tell us how its put together physically, yet consciousness, the origin or creator of our conscious and subconscious minds is a mystery. Consciousness is the big mystery. Not life.
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"When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’ They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life" - John Lennon
also, happiness is compatible with education :-)
happiness is compatible with doing what you love and appreciating what you have
I agree about the part about not seeking spirituality too any religion is fine, as long as you know you must do what you love, not what it tells you - it can only guide you
I think something speaks to you on psychedelic trips sometimes, it is my experience too haven't -seen- god, but I have gotten long messages from something that seemed to care about me and others , maybe higher self or some spirit of some sort, there were eyes everywhere both on LSD and mushrooms, multiple times
and the messages I have learned a lot from each time, always at the right time it seems, so am grateful for that
And with this. Drugs are nothing but tools. Tools that manipulate our life. Tryptamines allow us to connect to our subconscious. We become consciously aware of our second mind that is what drives most of our actual lives.
Realize that earth would still be here if we weren't. This is most likely how it will be.
Humans inhabit earth > Humans use earth resources to reach the moon > humans learn how to go farther and reach mars > humans create a synthetic environment on mars to support life > Humans create massive structures in space to house the lives of hundreds if not thousands of people = conscious life is not limited to earth.
Edited by Hallucinogenism (08/16/13 08:11 AM)
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18713473 - 08/16/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Completely drug influenced and conclusion probably unpopular.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
#18713476 - 08/16/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't mind mad freaks they make good cover stories.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
#18713492 - 08/16/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Completely drug influenced and conclusion probably unpopular.
Not true. The death/god experience was caused by drugs. I was physically unresponsive while witnessing real-time occurances from an out of body perspective both before and after meeting god.
Nothing I believe was constructed or pieced together while on drugs. Get your facts right.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18713505 - 08/16/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Common misinterpretation derived from lack of oxygen.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
#18713507 - 08/16/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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First define death. Noone knows when we actually die.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
#18713508 - 08/16/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it cell death?
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
#18713515 - 08/16/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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We're not concerned about death, or life after death. We are talking about life we experience between human birth, and human death. Nobody know when we should be considered alive either. Don't try to change the subject.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Icelander]
#18713523 - 08/16/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Nobody has to follow the meaning of life.
That's because nobody know's what it is as I said. Your subjective meaning is just that and not mine or anyone else's. As to an over all meaning, well who knows.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18713537 - 08/16/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everyone IS living and doing what they think will bring them happiness. This is a no brainer imo and so I have no idea what the rest of what you were going on about was about. Lets leave it at that./
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Icelander]
#18713542 - 08/16/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol you a learning some humiltiy .
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
#18713553 - 08/16/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aye. You argued against what I said the meaning of life to be. IDK why if you call it a no brainer now.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18713559 - 08/16/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol life is a game of deception.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
#18713561 - 08/16/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Play the game serve your prince.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18713643 - 08/16/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hallucinogenism said: Aye. You argued against what I said the meaning of life to be. IDK why if you call it a no brainer now.
You then fully misunderstood me. I argued against any knowledge of an objective meaning to life. That must have been made plain and I don't see how you missed it.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Icelander]
#18713655 - 08/16/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ice I understand you have made a great transformation in understanding. Do you now reject any existence of a being called Lucifer?
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
#18713658 - 08/16/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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When did I believe in one?
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Icelander]
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Sweetheart. Your still innocent.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
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Embrace evil before you complain about your misfortune.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
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The Icelaner I have listened to is a pussy cat.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
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would you rather be alone or with your petty complaints because you did no t seek justice for yourself.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
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I hear people full of humility and undertanding humanities plight and circumstances- arrogance.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
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no-one takes humility seriously anymore.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
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I know hate and how to embrace it. And how to convince3 my fellow monkeys.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Jaegar]
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what makes me sad and maybe delusional; is I dont think we are alone in wanting our destruction. Awesome story tho.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: endogenous]
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In regaurds to the OP
Thank you for sharing this story, it resonated with my understanding, the whole point of it all, is to be in bliss, to be out of suffering, like the Buddha said.
I feel this becomes more apparent when we see that God we met in those extraordinary experiences, is here with us, is one with it all... All of the universe is GOD... in absolute truth...
yet most beings have not remembered God, so how could they even begin to see GOD in everything...
Remembering God, and seeing God is everything is what makes me happy... but more then happy, blissful... to be here now, drop the past and let the future unfold, but to be right here with the bliss... that is what all of it is about!
I have had incredible experiences like the one you describe, but we must not let that, take us away from this moment and being with God now, and loving and being loved. We can't cling to our peak experiences in life, but we can let them prepare and lead us to this moment...
here and now
Because the deepest part of our being is BLISSFUL!
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Cosmicjoker]
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Sorry no. I cannot be all blissful and happy. I am aware that the Fukushima disaster is not only the worst disaster to ever happen but it continues contaminating Mother Earth. And the media keep absolutely quite about it, and in Japan they lie and say the levels of radiation are not harmful! Mother Earth cries out from all the evil shit we are doing to Her so why should I be all blissful and happy smiling person all the time?
I am seeing Indgenous peoples in utter despair and sobbing. How can I be all happy and blissful when I see that? I cry and, no, my heart fukin bleeds for that savage injustice and suffering forced on those people and their children--and all the other species involved, which is abused, as my heart/feeling/soul SHOULD!! Mass Suicide Of Indigenous Tribes
Look at the videos at the site. See and feel their pain. Understand how you would deeply insult their being if you said they must be blissful and happy and love the evil people doing this to them.
Please understand I am not trying to undermine your prfoundly important spiritual experience, but that you must ALSO respect YOUR being. How do YOU feel. Not what whatever entity said to you--even 'God'. How do YOU feel? Do you truly feel all blissful and happy all the time? Do you expect others to feel that because of how you interpret your vision. What about respecting how we really can feel---the pains, the direct honest emotion?
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: zzripz]
#18717843 - 08/17/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- "People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
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zzripz said: Sorry no. I cannot be all blissful and happy. I am aware that the Fukushima disaster is not only the worst disaster to ever happen but it continues contaminating Mother Earth. And the media keep absolutely quite about it, and in Japan they lie and say the levels of radiation are not harmful! Mother Earth cries out from all the evil shit we are doing to Her so why should I be all blissful and happy smiling person all the time?
I am seeing Indgenous peoples in utter despair and sobbing. How can I be all happy and blissful when I see that? I cry and, no, my heart fukin bleeds for that savage injustice and suffering forced on those people and their children--and all the other species involved, which is abused, as my heart/feeling/soul SHOULD!! Mass Suicide Of Indigenous Tribes
Look at the videos at the site. See and feel their pain. Understand how you would deeply insult their being if you said they must be blissful and happy and love the evil people doing this to them.
Please understand I am not trying to undermine your prfoundly important spiritual experience, but that you must ALSO respect YOUR being. How do YOU feel. Not what whatever entity said to you--even 'God'. How do YOU feel? Do you truly feel all blissful and happy all the time? Do you expect others to feel that because of how you interpret your vision. What about respecting how we really can feel---the pains, the direct honest emotion?
Why add to the suffering by suffering over the suffering???
Seems absurd to me, to add any bit of drama and suffering, like the examples you are giving, there is enough horrid wretched suffering already there... I am not denying it at all... I just realized, It won't help by suffering over this suffering... that is just adding more suffering, more drama... THERE IS ENOUGH ALREADY! Just be here now as best you can, and do your best to serve humanity... because the solution to these problems is a change in consciousness, and changing your consciousness through the interconnected interdependent web of everything, it helps reduce the suffering!
“If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself. If you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation.”
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Cosmicjoker]
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Why is there suffering? Because we can only move fast as we all can move... We are all one being, a wholeness that includes all the souls, all the beings experiencing whatever... and thus we can only move so fast because the oneness includes everything... And thus God is good, doing the best it can, to remove all the suffering from all beings... and have all beings rest forever in the peace of nirvana. But it can only move so fast, because it includes ALL of it... we can only move as fast as we all can move... So there is nothing left to do, except be here now and be part of this awakening process always taking place... We as egos, got to get out of the way, of the awakening process... and it can only move so fast... and that stinks, for beings going through suffering... it really stinks. But is suffering over the suffering going to help? No. Find bliss, find your flow of service, find your nirvana here now as best you can... with each breath.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Cosmicjoker]
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To change the world change oneself always 
God is in every living creature God is love and perfection
Suffering is self created
But it takes lots of experience to see it like that Lots of suffering too
One can chose non acceptance or acceptance
Acceptance is without suffering
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Cosmicjoker]
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Cosmicjoker said: Why is there suffering? Because we can only move fast as we all can move... We are all one being, a wholeness that includes all the souls, all the beings experiencing whatever... and thus we can only move so fast because the oneness includes everything... And thus God is good, doing the best it can, to remove all the suffering from all beings... and have all beings rest forever in the peace of nirvana. But it can only move so fast, because it includes ALL of it... we can only move as fast as we all can move... So there is nothing left to do, except be here now and be part of this awakening process always taking place... We as egos, got to get out of the way, of the awakening process... and it can only move so fast... and that stinks, for beings going through suffering... it really stinks. But is suffering over the suffering going to help? No. Find bliss, find your flow of service, find your nirvana here now as best you can... with each breath.
Sounds like a weak God. Poor little guy.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: lessismore]
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mio said: To change the world change oneself always 
God is in every living creature God is love and perfection
Suffering is self created
But it takes lots of experience to see it like that Lots of suffering too
One can chose non acceptance or acceptance
Acceptance is without suffering
God is also hate and suffering.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Icelander]
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Cosmicjoker said: Why is there suffering? Because we can only move fast as we all can move... We are all one being, a wholeness that includes all the souls, all the beings experiencing whatever... and thus we can only move so fast because the oneness includes everything... And thus God is good, doing the best it can, to remove all the suffering from all beings... and have all beings rest forever in the peace of nirvana. But it can only move so fast, because it includes ALL of it... we can only move as fast as we all can move... So there is nothing left to do, except be here now and be part of this awakening process always taking place... We as egos, got to get out of the way, of the awakening process... and it can only move so fast... and that stinks, for beings going through suffering... it really stinks. But is suffering over the suffering going to help? No. Find bliss, find your flow of service, find your nirvana here now as best you can... with each breath.
Sounds like a weak God. Poor little guy.
It makes you wonder if God is the right word for it. Because God is such a loaded term, that has all this confusing religious baggage attached to it. I am trying to use the word in a different way then it is probably usually used.
Yet remember that as worse as the suffering is, it will end, it will all end eventually and it will never come back... and the Buddha part of God is always and will always be in nirvana, never having to suffer again... we will all merge with that... eventually
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
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Hallucinogenism said: For starters, I am not psychotic. I have never been diagnosed with any psychological disorders, nor am I taking any medication. I am not insane.
When I was 15 maybe 16 I was an atheist. I recklessly burned bibles, bashed religion, and was the usual destructive asshole teenager. Lets get to the story.
I was a teenage kid, atheist. Tripping the night away I was forced into the outside world still incredibly intoxicated. It was very hot, humid, and I was fully clothed. I remember walking, up a hill, than I fell straight forwards onto my face. Next thing I can see is my body. I was above my own body instantaneously after I collapse. My thoughts were calm. I thought nothing of it. I remember looking at myself and thinking "That's me, I'm dead" without any emotion. I floated up higher and looked around my town. Everything is normal, cars rushing around, planes in the sky, the noises and commotion is all normal. This is still reality, this is real. I float higher up into the sky, only to start getting sucked further away from the town by what seems like a tractor beam. Something is pulling me away from earth. I cannot resist or break away!
I watch the ground move farther away. I see earths beautiful spherical ball of life floating in space, I am now not on earth. I get sucked passed the moon and out of the milky way galaxy. Something is drawing me in so fast stars streak by it looks as if I am moving at warp speed how light is streaking!!
EVERYTHING IS NOW WHITE
I sit thoughtless in a white abyss. No thoughts of the crazy events that just unfolded. Emotions are still not there, I am monotone emotionally. Out of the white I see this gold speck. Imagine one pixel, smaller maybe than this. I see this small speck grow. It manifests into a gold orb. This gold orb has the most beautiful silky, somewhat transparent gold color I ever seen. Not even gold itself comes close to this shade of gold. This gold, is righteous.
From within the gold orb flames start shooting off in all directions. These flames are also gold, but they don't flicker like flames from a fire. Their movement is more fluid. Its slower, they move with purpose, with intelligence, they stretch outwards and dissipate into the whiteness, out of my view. This gold orb announces its power to me. Suddenly I feel what we humans call entactogen effects. BUT THIS IS NOT YOUR AVERAGE FEELINGS FROM AN MDMA, OR STIMULANT EUPHORIA. No, no. No amount of any drug will ever bring anybody feelings to this degree. I believe its not humanly possible to feel these emotions to this extent.
I first remember feeling...familiar with who is before me. I feel like I already know this entity, who I will from here on refer to as god. I feel like how I do when I wake up and go into the kitchen and see my father, its nothing out of the ordinary. So I already know who I am with, yet I don't consciously remember meeting him before. Next come the feelings of love. All through out my childhood, teenage years to now, NEVER have I ever felt this sensation of being loved. I felt LOVED. I felt like this god had nothing but love for me, he expressed this through this sensation. This sensation of being loved was so intense, thinking about it now, makes me want to cry. Next I expressed my love. I was being loved, yet I Loved thy god back. I to this day never felt like I loved something to this extent. Not even my own family members, or love for myself, or pets. Never have I expressed love to this magnitude. Next come feelings of euphoria, this felt so good! Paired with the empathy and me giving love, maybe this generated this euphoria I speak of. I was full of glee. I was happy to be there. I felt like I was indeed cradled in the arm ofs the creator and nothing will come close to making me feel how he made me feel. He made me feel like I had no worries, no anxiety, no fear. I felt like I was home! This felt like being home! This did not come across as weird, or paranormal, this WAS the REAL normal, this..is actually reality.
"You have died, but it is not over yet" I hear without having ears. I am being spoken to, telepathically, by god who is before me. His voice was very manly. It was very loving, caring, sweet and gentle. He spoke with confidence and meaning. He than says "You may live forever as a free spirit to roam the astral plane, or you may return to earth, to achieve your life goal, it has not been completed."
I do not recall giving him any reply. Being god I don't think I had to, as he knows everything and knew what I wished to have happen after asking. All the feelings I spoke of get slightly more intense after he first speaks. I have no thoughts, I am just basking in the emotions.
"The meaning of lifeis to be happy. To be free from stress, fear, worry, trouble, and all unhappiness." God speaks again with this statement. He continues on about the meaning of life. He says "Life is about doing what you love, surrounding yourself with the people you love, and the things you love" God spoke again. He seems to speak in single statements, with a period of waiting in between. God started talking again and told me to "Treat others with respect, treat everybody the same no matter what their looks, ideals, opinions, or how they treat you. Love everyone and not hate" He told me to do no wrong to anybody. Just thinking about his words gives me euphoria. I hope I remembered everything he has told me. Its been a while since, but his voice is fresh in my mind.
After god spoke, just as fast as he pulled me from earth, I was thrown back to earth. I was about 500 feet above my body, in a different spot than when I had left. I looked down and saw an ambulance pulled over on the side of the road. I than saw paramedics and a police officer standing over me. I lowered myself and saw them rubbing their knuckles on my sternum in a failed attempt to wake me. I thought to my spirit self "Guess its time to go back" and slowly lowered to my body. As I got close, everything turned white again. I hear nothing as I gain consciousness in my body. This existence is alien to me. I think "This is life? Is this life?" I open my eyes to see some people in front of me just standing. I see paramedics to my left/right just standing. I thought "Is this all we do? Just stand here staring at each other?" From this moment on I was in/out of consciousness. Hospital treated me for having a seizure meanwhile I didn't have one. I remember being asked by nurses if I had done meth, or heroin, or crack. They couldn't figure out what I did. I knew who I was and where I lived but I could not respond properly without getting a stutter or getting stuck in a loop repeating a number of my address over and over till i stopped and blacked out again.
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What I think? I believe, I KNOW I met god. What I saw, what I was told, what I was feeling, was all real. At no point when god was telling me the meaning of life was I told to go to church. He did not tell me I had to believe in him, or worship him. He did not tell me I had to be religious. He did not tell me to go to church, or to even acknowledge him. He told me I died, but gave me an option to live or die? What makes me so special to get a second chance? He told me I had a life goal that I did not achieve. Is this goal special enough to him that I had to come back? Why oh why did he not tell me or even hint to what my goal is! I was going through life without meaning, purpose, or any ambition to do anything. God let me know how to live, he told me the answer to one of the most highly questioned topic "Whats the meaning of life?". He turned me from an bible burning atheist into a believer.
Conclusion Life is not what modern day society has made it. We do not need to excel in school, have vast fortune, or really...amount to anything. Life is far less serious than society makes it. Life is about being happy, doing what you love with those you love. Doing nothing but right to others by treating everybody the same, with respect, never hate. By doing this we can avoid stress, anxiety, all forms of negative emotion resulting in unhappiness. We should never bother ourselves with stress, even in the event of a stressful time. This, is what it means to live, this is what life is about, this is all we need to do to live through this experience on earth how god intended.
In today's society there is no spiritualism, we are spiritually disconnected. This is proven through the worlds lack of subconscious - conscious connection and the current state of our beloved America. Even those who are religious have no spirituality. Simply belonging to a religion and going to church means nothing in terms of how spiritual you are. Spirituality and religion are not the same, not even close. People every week think they are doing the right thing by going to church, its meaningless truly! God loves you no matter if you believe in this, or that, or follow this religion or that one. He loves you because you are you. All you must do to please him is to live, and be happy being alive in this reality he created for us.
Note: I emphasized (or tried too) the words reality. If you understand, you understand. I hope I made it clear to most. I LOVE to talk about this. I love to answer questions about spirituality, meditation, lucid dreaming, and life in general. I have made the connection with my subconscious and have become enlightened. You can't even imagine what you can do when connected with your subconscious, to be TRULY connected, and to know what you can do when connected.
Life is simple! Life is easy! You just need to know!
Ask anything, PM me about anything, converse with me about anything. I love to answer questions and teach what I was taught, and continued to teach myself. I never shared this experience anywhere else. This is the only place I deemed appropriate. The only place I feel will lead to me helping others with great success.
you said you like answering questions about lucid dreaming...
what is the point of lucid dreaming?
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: moi]
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Cosmicjoker said: It makes you wonder if God is the right word for it. Because God is such a loaded term, that has all this confusing religious baggage attached to it. I am trying to use the word in a different way then it is probably usually used.
Yet remember that as worse as the suffering is, it will end, it will all end eventually and it will never come back... and the Buddha part of God is always and will always be in nirvana, never having to suffer again... we will all merge with that... eventually
Nirvana is on earth, but it is filtered out by our perception
Constant thoughts in our minds destroy it
Nature,simple lifestyle and meditation , then there is only bliss  Stress is the opposite , no appreciation
Agree with your posts  What makes us suffer is living against ourselves Inner self is bliss
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Cosmicjoker]
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Yet remember that as worse as the suffering is, it will end, it will all end eventually and it will never come back... and the Buddha part of God is always and will always be in nirvana, never having to suffer again... we will all merge with that... eventually
And yet... I can't see how anyone can know this with any certainty? It's just a belief like that belief in god those other folk have.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Icelander]
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mio said: To change the world change oneself always 
God is in every living creature God is love and perfection
Suffering is self created
But it takes lots of experience to see it like that Lots of suffering too
One can chose non acceptance or acceptance
Acceptance is without suffering
God is also hate and suffering.
How can you say that when you don't even believe in God? God is not hate and suffering, God is, well, what God actually is, is not describable in words. It is easier to say what God is not, and God is not hate, nor suffering. Those things can only exist in the absence of God.
To be fair, I can understand why someone might think that God was hate and suffering, because you have probably heard people say that God is all things. That is actually true in a sense, but hate and suffering are mere thoughts, dream like appearances, which are not actually what they seem to be. When this is understood, you will see why it is also correct to say that God is not hate and suffering.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Yet remember that as worse as the suffering is, it will end, it will all end eventually and it will never come back... and the Buddha part of God is always and will always be in nirvana, never having to suffer again... we will all merge with that... eventually
And yet... I can't see how anyone can know this with any certainty? It's just a belief like that belief in god those other folk have.
Your belief that no one can know things with any certainty is just a belief also. So why do you cling to that belief and try to present it as superior to the beliefs of others?
I have explained this very thing to you before. You act as though your appeal to ignorance is somehow not taking a position, and thus it is more rational and honest than say a belief in God. But not taking a position is itself a position. Your belief that no one can really know anything is your God. So what really separates you from someone who believes in a transcendent God?
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18721513 - 08/18/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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To the OP, that is quite an experience. I can't say I have ever experienced anything like that and you should consider yourself very blessed to have been given such an experience.
There are a few things you said which I believe are incorrect that I wish to bring to your attention.
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People every week think they are doing the right thing by going to church, its meaningless truly! God loves you no matter if you believe in this, or that, or follow this religion or that one. He loves you because you are you. All you must do to please him is to live, and be happy being alive in this reality he created for us.
Of course God loves you no matter if you believe this or that. The purpose of going to church is to learn that. Going to church is not meaningless. We go to church so that we can pretend to worship God, go through the motions as if we loved God. Over time, this helps teach us to really love God, which far being meaningless is the most meaningful thing a human being can do.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Cosmicjoker]
#18721708 - 08/18/13 04:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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when you laugh laugh. When you cry cry. When you see someone suffer FEEL it. That is not 'suffering over suffering', that is empathy.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Deviate]
#18721825 - 08/18/13 06:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mio said: To change the world change oneself always 
God is in every living creature God is love and perfection
Suffering is self created
But it takes lots of experience to see it like that Lots of suffering too
One can chose non acceptance or acceptance
Acceptance is without suffering
God is also hate and suffering.
How can you say that when you don't even believe in God? God is not hate and suffering, God is, well, what God actually is, is not describable in words. It is easier to say what God is not, and God is not hate, nor suffering. Those things can only exist in the absence of God.
To be fair, I can understand why someone might think that God was hate and suffering, because you have probably heard people say that God is all things. That is actually true in a sense, but hate and suffering are mere thoughts, dream like appearances, which are not actually what they seem to be. When this is understood, you will see why it is also correct to say that God is not hate and suffering.
If hate and suffering are mear thoughts then so is love and happiness. I don't know if a god exists but you seem to think you know exactly what it is. But imo that is just guessing and then grabbing on to the attributes you feel most comfortable with. IMO we place undue importance to feelings that make us feel good or secure. We cling to them and built mountains out of mole hills in our ignorance and lack of balance in perspective. So then some go on to state love is all powerful and all important and pain or fear is all a matter of illusion and ignorance. This has become quite apparent to me here in 8+ years of discussions. It might come as a surprise how many people have PMed me with some really hateful messages when I challenged them on these issues. Many have also received warnings and bans. This clues me into what a defense mechanism their beliefs likely are.
Edited by Icelander (08/18/13 10:29 AM)
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: Hallucinogenism]
#18724902 - 08/18/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You said you were "tripping". I didn't see any mention of the substance you (thought you) had ingested. I'd be interested to hear that. Did the hospital ever come to a definite diagnosis?
-------------------- The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.
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Re: My meeting with God and his messages, about the secrets of life. [Re: endogenous]
#18739986 - 08/21/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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What an experience. A good read, thanks for sharing. I've had some pretty divine moments, but nothing to that magnitude.
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