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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: Deviate]
#18682841 - 08/09/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why dont you think LSD can be useful in children? I had a very difficult childhood and adolecence. I was plagued by fears and anxieties and low self esteem. I believe that if I had been given LSD under supportive circumstances as a child and examined the cause of my fears, my life could have been improved.
Another good example of how the word "believe" is dangerous when not supported by evidence and facts. Children do not have the requisite development to handle the energies to their mind or body, or the results of receiving too much too soon. In Judaism, one is supposed to wait until full adulthood, age 40, before delving into Kabbalah, for example. I can tell you from personal experience that my excessive use of psychedelics beginning at age 19 re-directed the original direction of my life. I was so enamored of cosmic awareness, that I almost failed in my abilities to establish necessary earthly functions of education, training, licensure and a viable occupation. That was my path, but to have one's eyes opened prematurely can catastrophically disrupt the natural development of one's earthly life. I saw acid casualties among high school kids who never got their act together. One guy I know since age 4 was in the top 10% of our 1971 high school class. I was way down in the rankings, but we had over 600 kids in our graduating class, the overwhelming majority went to college and beyond. He dropped out of Carnegie-Mellon, a prestigious engineering school after blowing his mind with some 'White Lightning LSD.' He told me he screamed for hours. Even less than a decade ago, he wrote that he was barely above the poverty line financially. Trips are NOT for kids.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18683055 - 08/09/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushrooms weren't spiritual. Mushrooms just made me realise I didn't know shit and whatever reality was it was laughing at me, also I realised I was just a primate organism nothing more. I also went crazy with laughter during the night one time. It was just ridiculous. Then a few years later I realised had schizophrenia. Maybe my trips were kind of schizophrenic rather than real mushroom trips.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: circastes]
#18683689 - 08/09/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont regret I didnt take them early, was just curious
Agree with markos' posts its probably best to wait
The benefit of learning from mistakes can be huge, dont think i can become unhappy ever again
After feeling bad/incomplete for so long you feel twice as good when you feel good More appreciation
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: circastes]
#18684627 - 08/09/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychedelics are contraindicated for anyone with schizophrenia. Psychotic episodes are practically guaranteed. Ain't nothing wrong with being a primate. We're all hairless monkeys and we all are the organism where the universe becomes conscious of itself, or self-conscious. Pretty amazing. Perhaps even more amazing is the consciousness that becomes self-aware in us.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18685813 - 08/10/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Truly amazing.
Yeah I didn't know I had schizophrenia when I was taking mushrooms. I just thought I was a weirdo.
And yeah any chemistry perturbation, anything in the brain that isn't its own making, including things like caffeine, ruin me/schizophrenics.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: circastes]
#18689231 - 08/10/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, but you do have a perspective that non-schizophrenics hope to access, albeit in a controlled way. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14474969#14474969
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18694286 - 08/12/13 03:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very, very much so. I was spiritual as a kid, but didn't really know it because I was just a kid. Then I grew up learning about religion scams and psychic scams and stopped believing. But lsd, mushrooms, and DMT really changed that. They have shown me so much that it is im-fucking-possible to deny some kind of spirituality.
Once I heard Indian spirits singing when I was rolling on X in the desert, will never forget how peaceful that was.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: raisinbrannan]
#18694490 - 08/12/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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raisinbrannan said: Very, very much so. I was spiritual as a kid, but didn't really know it because I was just a kid. Then I grew up learning about religion scams and psychic scams and stopped believing. But lsd, mushrooms, and DMT really changed that. They have shown me so much that it is im-fucking-possible to deny some kind of spirituality.
This is my story too. I suspect that much of organised religion is intended to be so blatantly hokey that people give up on spirituality altogether, until the psychedelics make it undeniable.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: viktor]
#18694814 - 08/12/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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well patriarchal religions and belief systems tend to try and distance you from the natural world and your body and your own nature and spiritual depths. This is why they were such evil fukers towards Indigenous peoples many of whom undersood/understand nature to be sacred
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: zzripz]
#18698384 - 08/13/13 02:37 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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zzripz said: well patriarchal religions and belief systems tend to try and distance you from the natural world and your body and your own nature and spiritual depths. This is why they were ( and still ARE being) such evil fukers towards Indigenous peoples many of whom undersood/understand nature to be sacred
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: glowing]
#18706247 - 08/14/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Profoundly!!! I would not be who I am today without them.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: Newmoonrising]
#18706307 - 08/14/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had gaps in my faith. Ayahuasca filled those gaps much to my surprise. It was quite cliche' actually.
Mushrooms deepen my connection with nature which seems to be part of this same thing.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18707536 - 08/15/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Why dont you think LSD can be useful in children? I had a very difficult childhood and adolecence. I was plagued by fears and anxieties and low self esteem. I believe that if I had been given LSD under supportive circumstances as a child and examined the cause of my fears, my life could have been improved.
Another good example of how the word "believe" is dangerous when not supported by evidence and facts. Children do not have the requisite development to handle the energies to their mind or body, or the results of receiving too much too soon. In Judaism, one is supposed to wait until full adulthood, age 40, before delving into Kabbalah, for example. I can tell you from personal experience that my excessive use of psychedelics beginning at age 19 re-directed the original direction of my life. I was so enamored of cosmic awareness, that I almost failed in my abilities to establish necessary earthly functions of education, training, licensure and a viable occupation. That was my path, but to have one's eyes opened prematurely can catastrophically disrupt the natural development of one's earthly life. I saw acid casualties among high school kids who never got their act together. One guy I know since age 4 was in the top 10% of our 1971 high school class. I was way down in the rankings, but we had over 600 kids in our graduating class, the overwhelming majority went to college and beyond. He dropped out of Carnegie-Mellon, a prestigious engineering school after blowing his mind with some 'White Lightning LSD.' He told me he screamed for hours. Even less than a decade ago, he wrote that he was barely above the poverty line financially. Trips are NOT for kids.
Oh I know, I am a psychedelic casuality myself after I created serious kundalani problems in myself through excessive marijuana consumption in my late teens and early 20s. It drastically altered the course of my life also and lead to great difficulties and poverty also. I was so stoned from thje smoking of marijauana that I ceased to care about my physical circumstances and began to only care about entering into a state of total calm and peace which I discovered a way to access by meditating while stoned. Thus began my life of drug addiction, kundalani imbalances and spiritual seeking. The misery I experienced at times has been great but so was the misery of anxiety ridden life. Ive come to the conclusion that I
However, I look at this as just as much a result of lack of guidance as immaturity. I feel like had I been given psychedelics by a psychedelic psychologist and explained the dangers, things would have gone a lot differently. Dont get me wrong, I understand there are risks but growing up with the extreme kind of anxiety problems I had, which lead to a virtually complete inability to express myself to the world and near total social isolation, was also very harrowing and contributed to my psychological problems a great deal as well.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: Deviate]
#18707992 - 08/15/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychedelics have confirmed in solid stone my belief that there is no god at all. However, DMT made me realize... there are spirits out there trying to reach us. Ghosts maybe, whatever you wanna call 'em. But no big magic wizard in the sky.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: relsseS]
#18708040 - 08/15/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's what I've been experiencing. But, I've come across the notion of a hierarchy of more and more complex powers and intelligences building on one another harvesting the people for life force.
I feel like there is a vacuum attached to me feeding on the more dense energy that my body makes.
I think they build inside and outside the body with what they call 'darkness' which is consciousness that is this dense energy signature.
I've been up all night whacking at these suspicious parasites.
If I bump a church all my energy returns to me. They use Jesus and the network of churches to slowly, or not so slowly, leech the energy out of your body while it is still tethered to you.
Then they replace it with anxiety. Meanwhile they coat everything with what they stole and expect your body and mind to power what ever the fuck they are doing.
We are not batteries but that is what they act like.
I'm sitting here with multiple negative attachments and my face is full of their energy signature which feels like semi-hardened clay. My brain feels like it has spheres of tension implanted in it.
I've resorted to shaping my awareness into a sharp point and using it to poke them and rupture whatever they are.
We are a host to a fucking invasion. Annoying.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#18708802 - 08/15/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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...ohhh man your posts are sooo way out there. You could be a comedian of the very strange. No offense. I really love ya
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: zzripz]
#18709264 - 08/15/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I'm on a roll (I talk out loud allot) its some of the funniest shit I've ever heard, to me at least.
The angels had a cover for me... A struggling actor.
I wanted to story board all this out and write a script. Something like The Number 23 + Avatar + A beautiful mind!
Aliens, angels, and Baphomets. CIA, mind control, LSD.
Then flip the Truth on them as 'just' entertainment. Like a good DEAD SERIOUS horror movie of sorts.
And... I love ya too Mr. Ripz.
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#18709293 - 08/15/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Have psychedelics made you a more spiritual person? [Re: zzripz]
#18711278 - 08/15/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes... psychedelics have changed the way I view the universe. I have imo spiritually evolved away from organized religion and have done a lot more soul searching.
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