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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Invisibleteknix
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You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature.
    #18709806 - 08/15/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

When you look at the things around you, all the things you have, you are creating a separate being from nature, that isn't a part of nature, to own nature.

Anything you could ever own would require you to create a being independent of nature, or there would not be anything to own or anyone to own it.


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18709854 - 08/15/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Right on, I'm fine with that. :shrug:


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: muistrue]
    #18709873 - 08/15/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

To own something you have to create an imaginary owner.


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18710265 - 08/15/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

to own something....

well we've naturally evolved to our current state that has given us comprehension and language. Ownership began when the concept of ownership evolved and became understood. Each person can have a different understanding of their ownerships. Each person can have a different understanding of the concept of nature. I prefer a broad definition of nature that includes everything. Nature created this owner, these egos, these concepts. What happened unnaturally?

It's apparently human nature or else it wouldn't be here now?

What can interfere with nature? Nothing imo, it is the process to me.

I understand the other concepts of nature as well but I'm not using it in that context currently.


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"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: Sse]
    #18710633 - 08/15/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Did someone steal something from you?


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18710650 - 08/15/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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teknix said:
To own something you have to create an imaginary owner.




Or you can just buy it for yourself.


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: Khancious]
    #18711501 - 08/15/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:hehehe: what makes you ask that?

Many times stolen from


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18712053 - 08/15/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think you cease being part of Nature, you just become a deluded part of Nature.


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18712128 - 08/15/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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to own nature.




Then God said,
โ€˜Let us make humankind in our image,
according to our likeness;
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the birds of the air,
and over the cattle,
and over all the wild animals of the earthโ€™
(Genesis 1:26โ€“28).

:uh:


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18712851 - 08/16/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

all patriarchal myths including the myth of scientism, and the myth of mental illness, all try and distance us from our natures and others (including other species) and the natural world.


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: zzripz]
    #18712989 - 08/16/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Oh all of the psychological torments us humans suffer when we disconnect from nature.


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18714513 - 08/16/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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FishOilTheKid said:
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to own nature.




Then God said,
โ€˜Let us make humankind in our image,
according to our likeness;
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the birds of the air,
and over the cattle,
and over all the wild animals of the earthโ€™
(Genesis 1:26โ€“28).

"Dominion" is not domination, or destruction, which is what has bee done by accursed Humankind. The deluge of the waters is now a deluge of poisoned water, poisoned air, and poisoned earth.


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: muistrue]
    #18720750 - 08/17/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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teknix said:
To own something you have to create an imaginary owner.




Or you can just buy it for yourself.




Yeah, but the organism isn't doing the buying. How many organisms do you know that own stuff?

You as an organism literally never own anything, it's pretend. Only you as an idea can own anything. This is because ownership, along with money, is just a concept we made up, The same as we make up our idea's of self and build that self-image \ to own stuff.

It's not really real . . , only pretend real.

Reality verse actuality . . .

I think of ones reality as more subjective in comparison to actuality. Actuality is independent of self, yet "your" reality needs one, to conform to the society around you, because that's what everyone else does and how we have been conditioned through tradition to think.


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Re: You cease being a part of nature when see yourself as something separate from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18723648 - 08/18/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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teknix said:
Quote:

muistrue said:
Quote:

teknix said:
To own something you have to create an imaginary owner.




Or you can just buy it for yourself.




Yeah, but the organism isn't doing the buying. How many organisms do you know that own stuff?

You as an organism literally never own anything, it's pretend. Only you as an idea can own anything. This is because ownership, along with money, is just a concept we made up, The same as we make up our idea's of self and build that self-image \ to own stuff.

It's not really real . . , only pretend real.

Reality verse actuality . . .

I think of ones reality as more subjective in comparison to actuality. Actuality is independent of self, yet "your" reality needs one, to conform to the society around you, because that's what everyone else does and how we have been conditioned through tradition to think.




:cuckoo:


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