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Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence * 3
    #18709689 - 08/15/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

so i've been having some thoughts about the incredible unlikeliness of my existence, and yet i still seem to exist.

think about all the factors which needed to be exactly in place, in order to lead to your current existence...

from the big bang,
to the formation of star clusters,
to the formation of galaxies and planets over billions of years,
to the hundreds of millions of years of evolution on this planet...
from the tiniest micro-organisms, to the fish, to the vertebrates, to the mammals, then the humans bearing cognitive processes capable of self-reflection and planned communication (language),
from your oldest human ancestors...
through each individual generation up to where your parents come in,
and the purely probabilistic circumstances that would have been necessary for your parents to come together and create you, and all the parents before them.

everything needed to be in place, exactly the way it was, and no little thing could have been different, or else your already unlikely existence would not have ever happened. ever, in the entire history of the universe..

or would it?

my girlfriend's parents met at a mcdonalds. my parents met at a grateful dead show. if it weren't for mcdonalds and grateful dead, i would not be here and neither would my girlfriend.

billions of years of progress, leading up to where you are now, probably scratching your nuts or whatever. and it can all vanish in the blink of an eye, at any given time. it's only a matter of time.

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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18709701 - 08/15/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think about this all the time and always reach the same conclusion


as unlikely as it is, it only had to happen once :sun:



I do also sometimes wonder at the cosmic significance of me scratching my nuts or dropping a piece of spaghetti.



but wouldn't life be so much less interesting if it weren't a mystery?


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
    #18709736 - 08/15/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, its like why is the universe like this? Cause if it wasn't we wouldn't be here.  Don't think of it as 'all these things had to happen this way in this order blah blah blah, so we exist' its more like, ' things did happen this certain way, so we do exist'.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: huffinglue]
    #18709751 - 08/15/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah but i'm not talking about the existence of the universe as it is in general, i'm talking more about your existence as a conscious entity. my existence as a conscious entity. what does it mean to YOU that all the factors were put in place exactly to create YOU?


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18709789 - 08/15/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I believe that simply by virtue of us and the world around us all being made up of the same basic material, we actually created ourselves somehow and just have no idea why.  when I say "we" I am referring to all of the atoms in existence, not humans or earth or this galaxy.




My humble opinion is that we are all god and that we created ourselves in this form in order to be able to observe ourself subjectively.


now i'm just rambling.... quite fond of this topic :grin:



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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18709800 - 08/15/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you lend credence to infinite iterations of the universe, every possibility existing somewhere - then this HAD to happen (in some iteration), every little detail of everything down to the dust lightly coating my speakers :awebig:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18709808 - 08/15/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Envix said:
my parents met at a grateful dead show.

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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: twighead]
    #18709817 - 08/15/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

that's the thing i find challenging to grasp at. how can a finite being grasp at a concept such as infinity? we need something infinite to do that. like numbers or some shit


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18709840 - 08/15/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sure, same thing with grasping at nothing - the knowledge of what both concepts mean has to suffice, in actual imagining both could never be fully realized in this state... Presumably :tongue: I accept this, the one who would break this boundary I'm sure couldn't though :tongue:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: twighead]
    #18709849 - 08/15/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i think once one breaks the boundary, all becomes irrelevant except the vastness of both nothingness and everythingness. perhaps they are both one in the same?

perhaps everything is just nothing within a context. a context of consciousness, perhaps?


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18709869 - 08/15/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i am everything, i am nothing.

yet, being neither makes a difference. being one means you've left... being the other means you're dead.

being something means not being everything... or nothing.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18709880 - 08/15/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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i think once one breaks the boundary, all becomes irrelevant except the vastness of both nothingness and everythingness. perhaps they are both one in the same?

perhaps everything is just nothing within a context. a context of consciousness, perhaps?




What do you even mean by "breaks the boundary"

How is anything relevant, regardless?

There is no purpose of anything, it just simply is, because it can.

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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Uzziel]
    #18709889 - 08/15/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

tell that to the firefighters and the soldiers.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18709901 - 08/15/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like "death" to me :vaped:

That's a very interesting sounding postulation though, the difficulty for me in thinking about such things (in a current sober state) is that I endlessly run into what are easily perceived as unanswerable questions, such as "what is consciousness?" - an answer would be... this.... but the only known answer for me to that question seems to hang on the edge of dozens of more vaguely unanswerable questions... Its easy to feel like such a fine piece of the whole - that the reality of all could not be known at our scale of both energy, size, and consciousness. Maybe that's a somewhat defeatist attitude, but I'm more than content with that :awesome:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: twighead]
    #18709911 - 08/15/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

everyone is obsessed with death like it's something special. it's not. you're dead, your dust. ooo, how exciting. :rolleyes:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18709930 - 08/15/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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everyone is obsessed with death like it's something special. it's not. you're dead, your dust. ooo, how exciting. :rolleyes:



Are you stirring the pot on purpose? :pokerawe:
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
    #18709968 - 08/15/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

not really. i'm just making comments that are in keeping with the conversation at hand. just because no one has anything sensible to add, doesn't mean i'm trying to "stir the pot".

hell, at least if i was, i'd be doing something.

PS: we're all the same consciousness. different brains. nothing is "out of place" when one of us is missing. it's all the same shit, regardless... it's just a brain would like to think it's special being grown and raised to have certain neural connections that makes it a unique snowflake of a personality.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18710029 - 08/15/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Now that I know you're being serious :smirk:

I'm interested why you think that death is so unremarkable?

I have noticed a trend in your posts (no judgement whatsoever) that you find life to be somewhat unremarkable... comments like "unique snowflake" making light of the fact that we are all divine beings..


Any comments?  I really am interested in your perspective because it is so completely different from mine- I find death to be as fascinating and beautiful as life, it is all a great mystery and that captivates me


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
    #18710088 - 08/15/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

it captivates you cause you're not dead. if you were dead, you wouldn't have any concept of death. that's what make it so unremarkable. the fact that it's useless, in the grand scheme of things.

people who talk about death, talk about the grand scheme of things; well i find that ironic, because it's exactly without the things, that make up such a grand scheme, but i see the point in the proclamations. in obfuscating the real necessities in life, with the fantasy of what lies beyond death, we've managed to evolve, and that's good. at this time in human existence, however, it's a pointless endeavor to "ponder life" by trying to foresee the meaning and consequences of death.

when one grows older, one learns that life is inherently meaningless and without death there is no striving, no goals, no achievements, to begin with. it's pointless at this time to try conceive of what's "beyond", because you should already have gathered that all that matters is what's here and now. life.

oh and you know, the internet.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18710122 - 08/15/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that there may be little motivation to progress without a consequence to failure.

Without death there would also be no evolution or development of consciousness either  ( I suppose).

I may be misinterpreting your lack of fascination as nihilism :strokebeard:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
    #18710130 - 08/15/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree that there may be little motivation to progress without a consequence to failure.

Without death there would also be no evolution or development of consciousness either  ( I suppose).

I may be misinterpreting your lack of fascination as nihilism :strokebeard:




you may be  :shrug2:





















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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18710147 - 08/15/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

PS: it's not death that causes evolution, either, in my opinion. in my opinion, it's the rock that fell on the apes head as the sky cracked with lightning. death was just a happenstance.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18710386 - 08/15/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What I meant by that was if organisms didn't die of natural causes then evolution as we know it would either be incredibly stunted or not possible. however it's been a while since I studied recombination and mutation. 

thus, death enabled the development of consciousness.  Not necessarily causing it though.

There I go again projecting that I "know everything" :rolleyes:



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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
    #18710402 - 08/15/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

LOL, you freak know it all wannabe who's knowledge holds no bounds, i fucking hate peoplez liek you!!!

:crying:









and yes, i understood what you meant. i was just saying, before there was an understanding of Death, there was an understanding of equating coincidence with faith. :wink:

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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18710434 - 08/15/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It sucks to know this and watch other people take it completely for granted.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Shins]
    #18710445 - 08/15/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, but you know, we're nihilists.



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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
    #18710704 - 08/15/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

NWlight said:
What I meant by that was if organisms didn't die of natural causes then evolution as we know it would either be incredibly stunted or not possible. however it's been a while since I studied recombination and mutation. 

thus, death enabled the development of consciousness.  Not necessarily causing it though.

There I go again projecting that I "know everything" :rolleyes:



cool video though ^ :sun:




Even if there wasn't death evolution would continue as normal with each iteration/generation. It's just that the weaker links that would have otherwise died off won't, and will simply become physically or mentally obsolete, in a few million years.
Imo the hugeness of the universe would imply that we are not all that special. I bet there is a planet out there that is almost indistinguishable from Earth, with life that looks very much like our own.

As unlikely as it all seems, there are billions of planets out there without complex lifeforms.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18710719 - 08/15/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This is the kinda shit I have always pondered ever since I was a child. I must have really bewildered the adults around me.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Thisfire]
    #18710744 - 08/15/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

and the obsolete wouldn't evolve leaving "evolution" to persist; but then it wouldn't really be evolution, would it?

this is why nothingness is pretty insistent.. because without it, there would be no space for anything.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18710748 - 08/15/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I believe you only live once, but our souls are eternal. I try to make the most out of everyday and enjoy myself while helping others when I can. Life can be a rollercoaster at times but things will level out eventually.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18710761 - 08/15/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Even if there wasn't death evolution would continue as normal with each iteration/generation. It's just that the weaker links that would have otherwise died off won'




I suppose that sounds possible.

Wouldn't it happen astronomically more slowly though because of the previous generations competing for resources?

Once an ecosystem reached its carrying capacity I don't see how there would be much more development and/or room for new offspring.


edit: or perhaps the new offspring would NECESSARILY randomly starve out the parent generation, causing even more rapid evolution???? :aweoverdose:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
    #18710782 - 08/15/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

and then death, but in this hypothetical situation, there is no "death". so what would happen after resources are gone? (space, mainly, because food obviously wouldn't be "problem")


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18710794 - 08/15/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

dude I literally edited my post and then saw that.


do you think it is truly possible??? :awepreciation:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
    #18710819 - 08/15/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

that successive generations would cremate and annihilate the previous generations existence, to allow for more room in the universe of no death? yes. that sounds plausible. eventually, maybe from this source of existence, intelligent life is striving to find a way to die? maybe they find some psychological means to death, but technically, unless you're "gone" completely, you're not "dead" still. but if you were replaced, that might be something like "dying but not dying."

fuck, watch Kaiba, this conversation is starting to sound like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiba

but yeah to summarize. death needs to happen. there is nothing beyond death. there might be things outside of "life" as we know it, but not death. death means "was once one, and is now all". being able to exterminate a things existence, without it "dying" and would mean it was inanimate. a person? no, it could technically be "dead" but it's not gone... it's going to rot into many things until it's just consumed as worm food. if it was really Gone, then it would have never had room to exist anyways. cause Death has to exist, and there can be nothing beyond it.

if religious people can use this argument for proving the existence of God, then... why not make the argument for death? after all, it's what influenced people to believe in any "God" in the first place.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18710820 - 08/15/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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my girlfriend's parents met at a mcdonalds. my parents met at a grateful dead show.




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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18713407 - 08/16/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

you say there is nothing beyond death, but what was your existence before you were born?

were you...

nothing?


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18714389 - 08/16/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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you say there is nothing beyond death, but what was your existence before you were born?

were you...

nothing?



yeah, nothingness. then i went from cells to a fetus, to a babe to the person i am today. all from a sperm and some egg in my mother. i guess that's not nothing, right? but before, that happened, i was nothing. i wasn't anything.


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #18716305 - 08/16/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

this is because what defines us is our experience with the play of consciousness in a cognitive realm of existence. with no reference point, a baby is basically a default-mode person with no programming aside from what it came with - basic functions, eating, shitting, peeing, vomiting, crying, grasping, kicking, etc

once we become programmed (learn language), then we begin to use language to define who we are, because we find this fascinating.

we don't remember this, because we are not used to the reference point of the default programming anymore (unless you take some sort of system-reboot drug like dmt or mushrooms)

however, we can even go back to before we were babies, before we were fetuses, to when we were a congregation of cells and goo. cells and goo which seem to run on some sort of programming of their own, but as a collective, as a group, will then come together to form higher orders of programming in higher order systems of processing through the instructions of the genetic code.

to tissue structures, to organ systems and bone systems and all the other systems, to a fully formed human structure. with the nervous system, the foundation of cognitive functions, developing over time through experiential cognitive processes (aka "life experiences")

our brains form patterns of archetypes and symbols, all built as a mental metropolis which defines our existence as an individual cognitive construct (person). this metropolis is full of memories, and fantasies, and dreams, and expectations, and fears, and language, and art, and beliefs, and habits, and friends, and teachers, and family, and enemies, objects, and sensations, and lights, and colors, and feelings, and associations, and systems upon systems upon systems upon systems

cybernetics

anyway, i think we were never really nothingness at all, just existing in different forms which we can't any longer remember, in other realms of existence (such as sperm realm, or chemical realm, or molecular realm, or atomic realm, or even a realm of pure energy, idk.

all i know is the realm i'm in now is changing constantly. and so i assume that everything changes constantly, and nothing can stay the same for ever. there are too many realms for that. too many infinities.

i was gonna write more about genetics and dna in there too, and epigenetics. but i'm not sure where to throw it in, and i cant think now cuz im too high. but i think genetics and experiential conditioning both play a role in how the course of your life may unfold, and what kind of person you may become


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18716385 - 08/16/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

you also gotta factor in time and space into the equation. everyone we know experiences time and space differently from us. in that sense we are completely separated by time and space. unless someone can imbue their consciousness into your body, no one will ever see anything from your perspective, truly. and even then, it will still be from their perspective. their perspective experiencing your perspective.

what really defines us is our built-up neural connections, which are expressed as that mental metropolis i talked about earlier. everything of the subconscious, basically.

on different temporal and spatial localities, we all experience from our own perspectives, and our own built-up personalities. from our vantage points, we write the story of existence from our own perspective. and together we create the collective metropolis, building it together with more and more systems, structures, and "memes". everything has its part in the system. even the squirrels play a role in all this.

cybernetics

seemingly existing outside of time, our world seemingly shapes itself, despite its inhabitants living in completely separated and isolated dimensions of temporal and spatial locality.

this makes me believe that time and space are properties of consciousness itself.

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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18716431 - 08/16/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Envix said:
you say there is nothing beyond death, but what was your existence before you were born?

were you...

nothing?



yeah, nothingness. then i went from cells to a fetus, to a babe to the person i am today. all from a sperm and some egg in my mother. i guess that's not nothing, right? but before, that happened, i was nothing. i wasn't anything.




The law of conservation of matter and energy would state otherwise. You have always been something, since the beginning of time, matter, and energy, you have been taking on different forms and consciousnesses to reach your current state. It will never be your final state though, unless time, matter, and energy ceases to exist.

We're all here in this massive recycling plant of a universe, for eternity :smile:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: ManianFH]
    #18716435 - 08/16/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, i was talking hypothetically, man. i know tat.

PS: to add to your wonderful statement... light succeeds consciousness. :wink:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18719215 - 08/17/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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light succeeds consciousness. :wink:



the significance of this is astounding. did you know the speed of light fluctuates? it wasn't until some decades ago that scientists defined the speed of light regardless of its clear fluctuations in our measurements.

mainstream scientists claim our measurements are not accurate to pick up on clear data, but that doesn't account for the fact that the speed of light was actually shown to be gradually increasing over time, up until the point we had defined it, and ignored the fluctuations.



anyway, if you know anything about the photon, you know that it's the fastest particle in the known universe, so EVERYTHING else moves at a speed, slower than it, and relative to it.

according to einstein's relativity, the faster an object moves, or the closer it reaches the speed of light, time would appear to be slowing down (according to relativity). as you go faster and faster, time around you would appear to be going slower and slower.

NOW. what would happen if you approach the speed of light? what would happen if you would be moving at the same speed as light? well, time would stop, basically.

since everything in the universe that can be measured is relative to the speed of light, light would seem to exist in a state outside of temporal and spatial locality.

photons of light would actually reach their destination instantaneously, the same moment they were emitted. no time would pass at all.

however, outside of the realm of light, where things move much slower, an accumulation of time would have appeared to pass.


time is process. time is change. light is constant and exists at all points in all space and time, simultaneously.

what does this say about our measurements? what does this say about our conscious processes?
what does this say about who we are in terms of this "light energy", which we all come from, and which exists beyond space and time?

:smile:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18719227 - 08/17/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If the universe exists for infinity and is infinite, then it's pretty unlikely for me not to exist.
To be exact, i will exist over and over again, on different planets, different galaxies and even super clusters.

If you look at infinity and the change that can happen in that time, everything is very likely


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Impulze]
    #18719241 - 08/17/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If the universe exists for infinity and is infinite, then it's pretty unlikely for me not to exist.
To be exact, i will exist over and over again, on different planets, different galaxies and even super clusters.

If you look at infinity and the change that can happen in that time, everything is very likely




I like that. :thumbup:


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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
    #18720002 - 08/17/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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what does this say about who we are in terms of this "light energy", which we all come from, and which exists beyond space and time?

:smile:



we're one and same, in the sense that we're a pile of cells that evolved to create an organism, that is highly flawed in it's reasoning and functionality.


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