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Envix
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Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence 3
#18709689 - 08/15/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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so i've been having some thoughts about the incredible unlikeliness of my existence, and yet i still seem to exist.
think about all the factors which needed to be exactly in place, in order to lead to your current existence...
from the big bang, to the formation of star clusters, to the formation of galaxies and planets over billions of years, to the hundreds of millions of years of evolution on this planet... from the tiniest micro-organisms, to the fish, to the vertebrates, to the mammals, then the humans bearing cognitive processes capable of self-reflection and planned communication (language), from your oldest human ancestors... through each individual generation up to where your parents come in, and the purely probabilistic circumstances that would have been necessary for your parents to come together and create you, and all the parents before them.
everything needed to be in place, exactly the way it was, and no little thing could have been different, or else your already unlikely existence would not have ever happened. ever, in the entire history of the universe..
or would it?
my girlfriend's parents met at a mcdonalds. my parents met at a grateful dead show. if it weren't for mcdonalds and grateful dead, i would not be here and neither would my girlfriend.
billions of years of progress, leading up to where you are now, probably scratching your nuts or whatever. and it can all vanish in the blink of an eye, at any given time. it's only a matter of time.
discuss
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18709701 - 08/15/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think about this all the time and always reach the same conclusion
as unlikely as it is, it only had to happen once 
I do also sometimes wonder at the cosmic significance of me scratching my nuts or dropping a piece of spaghetti.
but wouldn't life be so much less interesting if it weren't a mystery?
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
#18709736 - 08/15/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, its like why is the universe like this? Cause if it wasn't we wouldn't be here. Don't think of it as 'all these things had to happen this way in this order blah blah blah, so we exist' its more like, ' things did happen this certain way, so we do exist'.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: huffinglue]
#18709751 - 08/15/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah but i'm not talking about the existence of the universe as it is in general, i'm talking more about your existence as a conscious entity. my existence as a conscious entity. what does it mean to YOU that all the factors were put in place exactly to create YOU?
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18709789 - 08/15/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe that simply by virtue of us and the world around us all being made up of the same basic material, we actually created ourselves somehow and just have no idea why. when I say "we" I am referring to all of the atoms in existence, not humans or earth or this galaxy.
My humble opinion is that we are all god and that we created ourselves in this form in order to be able to observe ourself subjectively.
now i'm just rambling.... quite fond of this topic 
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18709800 - 08/15/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you lend credence to infinite iterations of the universe, every possibility existing somewhere - then this HAD to happen (in some iteration), every little detail of everything down to the dust lightly coating my speakers
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18709808 - 08/15/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Envix said: my parents met at a grateful dead show.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: twighead]
#18709817 - 08/15/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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that's the thing i find challenging to grasp at. how can a finite being grasp at a concept such as infinity? we need something infinite to do that. like numbers or some shit
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18709840 - 08/15/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sure, same thing with grasping at nothing - the knowledge of what both concepts mean has to suffice, in actual imagining both could never be fully realized in this state... Presumably I accept this, the one who would break this boundary I'm sure couldn't though
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: twighead]
#18709849 - 08/15/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think once one breaks the boundary, all becomes irrelevant except the vastness of both nothingness and everythingness. perhaps they are both one in the same?
perhaps everything is just nothing within a context. a context of consciousness, perhaps?
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18709869 - 08/15/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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i am everything, i am nothing.
yet, being neither makes a difference. being one means you've left... being the other means you're dead.
being something means not being everything... or nothing.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18709880 - 08/15/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Envix said: i think once one breaks the boundary, all becomes irrelevant except the vastness of both nothingness and everythingness. perhaps they are both one in the same?
perhaps everything is just nothing within a context. a context of consciousness, perhaps?
What do you even mean by "breaks the boundary"
How is anything relevant, regardless?
There is no purpose of anything, it just simply is, because it can.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Uzziel]
#18709889 - 08/15/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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tell that to the firefighters and the soldiers.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: Envix]
#18709901 - 08/15/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds like "death" to me 
That's a very interesting sounding postulation though, the difficulty for me in thinking about such things (in a current sober state) is that I endlessly run into what are easily perceived as unanswerable questions, such as "what is consciousness?" - an answer would be... this.... but the only known answer for me to that question seems to hang on the edge of dozens of more vaguely unanswerable questions... Its easy to feel like such a fine piece of the whole - that the reality of all could not be known at our scale of both energy, size, and consciousness. Maybe that's a somewhat defeatist attitude, but I'm more than content with that
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: twighead]
#18709911 - 08/15/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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everyone is obsessed with death like it's something special. it's not. you're dead, your dust. ooo, how exciting.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
#18709930 - 08/15/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: everyone is obsessed with death like it's something special. it's not. you're dead, your dust. ooo, how exciting. 
Are you stirring the pot on purpose? 
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
#18709968 - 08/15/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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not really. i'm just making comments that are in keeping with the conversation at hand. just because no one has anything sensible to add, doesn't mean i'm trying to "stir the pot".
hell, at least if i was, i'd be doing something.
PS: we're all the same consciousness. different brains. nothing is "out of place" when one of us is missing. it's all the same shit, regardless... it's just a brain would like to think it's special being grown and raised to have certain neural connections that makes it a unique snowflake of a personality.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
#18710029 - 08/15/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now that I know you're being serious 
I'm interested why you think that death is so unremarkable?
I have noticed a trend in your posts (no judgement whatsoever) that you find life to be somewhat unremarkable... comments like "unique snowflake" making light of the fact that we are all divine beings..
Any comments? I really am interested in your perspective because it is so completely different from mine- I find death to be as fascinating and beautiful as life, it is all a great mystery and that captivates me
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: NWlight]
#18710088 - 08/15/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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it captivates you cause you're not dead. if you were dead, you wouldn't have any concept of death. that's what make it so unremarkable. the fact that it's useless, in the grand scheme of things.
people who talk about death, talk about the grand scheme of things; well i find that ironic, because it's exactly without the things, that make up such a grand scheme, but i see the point in the proclamations. in obfuscating the real necessities in life, with the fantasy of what lies beyond death, we've managed to evolve, and that's good. at this time in human existence, however, it's a pointless endeavor to "ponder life" by trying to foresee the meaning and consequences of death.
when one grows older, one learns that life is inherently meaningless and without death there is no striving, no goals, no achievements, to begin with. it's pointless at this time to try conceive of what's "beyond", because you should already have gathered that all that matters is what's here and now. life.
oh and you know, the internet.
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Re: Grasping at the unlikeliness of your existence [Re: akira_akuma]
#18710122 - 08/15/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree that there may be little motivation to progress without a consequence to failure.
Without death there would also be no evolution or development of consciousness either ( I suppose).
I may be misinterpreting your lack of fascination as nihilism
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