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Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs
    #18705361 - 08/14/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201010/why-intelligent-people-use-more-drugs

The human consumption of psychoactive drugs, such as marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, is of even more recent historical origin than the human consumption of alcohol or tobacco, so the Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent people use more drugs more frequently than less intelligent individuals.

The use of opium dates back to about 5,000 years ago, and the earliest reference to the pharmacological use of cannabis is in a book written in 2737 BC by the Chinese Emperor Shen Nung.  Opium and cannabis are the only “natural” (agricultural) psychoactive drugs.  Other psychoactive drugs are “chemical” (pharmacological); they require modern chemistry to manufacture, and are therefore of much more recent origin.  Morphine was isolated from opium in 1806, cocaine was first manufactured in 1860, and heroin was discovered in 1874.
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Given their extremely recent origin and thus evolutionary novelty, the Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to consume all types of psychoactive drugs than less intelligent individuals.  Once again, as with alcohol consumption, the fact that the consumption of psychoactive drugs has largely negative health consequences and few (if any) benefits of any kind is immaterial to the Hypothesis.  It does not predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to engage in healthy and beneficial behavior, only that they are more likely to engage in evolutionarily novel behavior.  As I point out in an earlier post, more intelligent people are often more likely to do stupid things.

Consistent with the prediction of the Hypothesis, the analysis of the National Child Development Study shows that more intelligent children in the United Kingdom are more likely to grow up to consume psychoactive drugs than less intelligent children.  Net of sex, religion, religiosity, marital status, number of children, education, earnings, depression, satisfaction with life, social class at birth, mother’s education, and father’s education, British children who are more intelligent before the age of 16 are more likely to consume psychoactive drugs at age 42 than less intelligent children.

The following graph shows the association between childhood general intelligence and the latent factor for the consumption of psychoactive drugs, constructed from indicators for the consumption of 13 different types of psychoactive drugs (cannabis, ecstasy, amphetamines, LSD, amyl nitrate, magic mushrooms, cocaine, temazepan, semeron, ketamine, crack, heroin, and methadone).  As you can see, there is a clear monotonic association between childhood general intelligence and adult consumption of psychoactive drugs.  “Very bright” individuals (with IQs above 125) are roughly three-tenths of a standard deviation more likely to consume psychoactive drugs than “very dull” individuals (with IQs below 75).

The following graph shows a similar association between childhood intelligence and the latent factor for the consumption of psychoactive drugs among Americans.  The data come from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health.  The childhood intelligence is measured in junior high and high school, and the adult drug consumption is measured seven years later, and constructed from indicators for the consumption of 5 different types of psychoactive drugs (marijuana, cocaine, LSD, crystal meth, and heroin).  The association is not monotonic, but nevertheless, “normal” (90 < IQ < 110), “bright” (110 < IQ < 125), and “very bright” individuals consume more psychoactive substances than “very dull” or “dull” (75 < IQ < 90) individuals.  Once the social and demographic variables are controlled, however, the positive association between childhood intelligence and adult drug consumption is not statistically significant in the American Add Health sample.

People – scientists and civilians alike – often associate intelligence with positive life outcomes.  The fact that more intelligent individuals are more likely to consume alcohol, tobacco, and psychoactive drugs tampers this universally positive view of intelligence and intelligent individuals.  Intelligent people don’t always do the right thing, only the evolutionarily novel thing.


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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #18705508 - 08/14/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Bout 3 years old, but I still buy into the premise.


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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #18705844 - 08/14/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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JackthaTripper said:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201010/why-intelligent-people-use-more-drugs

Opium and cannabis are the only “natural” (agricultural) psychoactive drugs.  Other psychoactive drugs are “chemical” (pharmacological); they require modern chemistry to manufacture, and are therefore of much more recent origin. 



Not True, but the rest seems like A+ logic.


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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #18706301 - 08/14/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Opium and cannabis are the only “natural” (agricultural) psychoactive drugs.



I guess Psilocybin and Mescaline aren't considered Psychoactive? :lol:

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It does not predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to engage in healthy and beneficial behavior, only that they are more likely to engage in evolutionarily novel behavior



:lolwut: Who says that drug use can't be healthy or beneficial? Cannabis use helps relieve the negative effects of several diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis and Cancer. Use of Entheogens such as Psilocybin containing mushrooms and LSD can help people who are struggling with PTSD recover their mental health and well being. Personally, the use of entheogens has helped me become more spiritually aware, and given me insights which have lead me to alter my lifestyle for the better and made me a happier and more mentally sound person.

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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: greencrush420]
    #18706506 - 08/14/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

It did not say drug use was just behavior of some users. Like... Meth heads or crack.heads. they don't keep clean and munchies for mj smokes I think. :shrug:


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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: greencrush420]
    #18707432 - 08/15/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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greencrush420 said:
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Opium and cannabis are the only “natural” (agricultural) psychoactive drugs.



I guess Psilocybin and Mescaline aren't considered Psychoactive? :lol:



Not to mention cocaine and tons of others.

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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: something cool]
    #18707900 - 08/15/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Cocaine has been around for a century or so. The leaf is a different story.


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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: dark3st]
    #18707940 - 08/15/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Uhh, cocaine, an alkaloid, a naturally occurring compound, itself has been around probably 100,000+ years, or however long ago it developed with the plant. There is evidence of its use going back 8000 years. It was first isolated in 1855.
THC wasn't isolated until 1964, so if you want to talk about it from that perspective, which really doesn't make sense, cocaine is "older" than THC.


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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: something cool]
    #18707972 - 08/15/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Were not talking isolation wtf?

If we are coke came first. But it still doesn't mean it's in its natural place, That being in the leaf. Like mescaline is to cactus or THC is to cannabis. 

Its the point of how it was consumed. Coke wasn't consumed the leaf was though before the late 1800's. Yes your consuming cocaine but its a different experience to chew da leafs.


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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: dark3st]
    #18707983 - 08/15/13 06:54 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Cocaine is naturally forming within the plant, exactly as mescaline, THC, and opium. When people eat peyote, they're eating the cactus to get high on the mescaline.

When the leaf is consumed, cocaine is consumed. No, it's not a different drug experience. It's cocaine, and it acts within the body the way that cocaine acts.

Nobody is making a point about how it is consumed, apart from apparently you. The reference quote is "Opium and cannabis are the only “natural” (agricultural) psychoactive drugs", and it couldn't be any more false.

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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: something cool]
    #18708024 - 08/15/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I wasn't talking about that I was talking about this:

"I guess psilocybin and mescaline aren't psychoactive"

And apparently you've never had cocaine in leaf form.  Its different then being snorted. First off no rush and the effects aren't nearly as pronounced as pure coke.


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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: dark3st]
    #18708039 - 08/15/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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dark3st said:
I wasn't talking about that I was talking about this:

"I guess psilocybin and mescaline aren't psychoactive"



A comment which doesn't include the word cocaine, and is of no relevance to your uninformed comment on my post, and doesn't change the argument?

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And apparently you've never had cocaine in leaf form.  Its different then being snorted. First off no rush and the effects aren't nearly as pronounced as pure coke.



I think that what's apparent to you is not necessarily reflective of reality. The mechanism of action is the same, the difference is how quickly it is absorbed into the bloodstream. Similarly, insufflated coke has nothing on IV'd coke - therefore, insufflated cocaine is not cocaine? Cocaine doesn't cease being natural for 100s of thousands of years because you swallow it, snort it, inject it, put it up your ass or in your cunt.

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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: something cool]
    #18708042 - 08/15/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Your off topic now and an pointless to argue with. I said the effects are different not the drug :facepalm:


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Re: Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs [Re: dark3st]
    #18708049 - 08/15/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

The physiological effect of oral and nasal cocaine is the same, the rate at which the cocaine makes it into the blood stream is different, dose size determines strength of the effect. You have difficulty identifying what the topic is. Request to end discourse agreed to.

Edited by something cool (08/15/13 07:46 AM)

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