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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: kjazz]
    #19073692 - 11/02/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Those are Psilocybe cyanescens.


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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: canid]
    #19073720 - 11/02/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Those are Psilocybe cyanescens.



Thank you! Interesting. I bet there's a lot of pretenders though having now read the rest of the thread...

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: Sobercolober]
    #19073872 - 11/02/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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I was out hunting for libs this evening in a new spot, ideal conditions. However, the mushrooms I found here don't seem to quite fit with the libs I've been picking, although they do appear to be from the same family as P. semilanceata. I was just wondering if someone with a bit more expertise in this field could give me a hand with an I.d.
Just to note, all mushrooms have a separable gelatinous membrane. Cheers in advance








Well I have to say I am slightly shocked if these do indeed have a seperable gelitinous membrance cause they are the most similar lookalikeys I have ever set eyes on. It's easy to get complacent and all "expert" on your own ass but that has certainly made me think twice if not all boxes are ticked.

I was under the impression that liberty caps were pretty much unique in having a seperable gelatinous pellicle. They also have similar striations caused by the gills.

Frankly... a tad scary.



I know! So similar, I picked them due to their similarities, the stems especially felt so much like libs, really robust little mushrooms. And the fact that they had the separable pelicle made me think that they must have been in the Psylocibe family. It's been pointed out that they could be psylocibe fimetaria, although they would need to be viewed under a microscope to confirm that suspicion. I'm not going to consume them due to the uncertainty, still an interesting find though and definitely made me think twice about assuming mushrooms belong to a certain family based on shared traits. I have a picture of the membrane if you'd like to see it?

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: corsyadid]
    #19073954 - 11/02/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Was wandering around the perfect location for libs, and found these. Can someone tell me what they are please?


Edited by Pom (11/02/13 05:41 PM)

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: corsyadid]
    #19073989 - 11/02/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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I was out hunting for libs this evening in a new spot, ideal conditions. However, the mushrooms I found here don't seem to quite fit with the libs I've been picking, although they do appear to be from the same family as P. semilanceata. I was just wondering if someone with a bit more expertise in this field could give me a hand with an I.d.
Just to note, all mushrooms have a separable gelatinous membrane. Cheers in advance








Well I have to say I am slightly shocked if these do indeed have a seperable gelitinous membrance cause they are the most similar lookalikeys I have ever set eyes on. It's easy to get complacent and all "expert" on your own ass but that has certainly made me think twice if not all boxes are ticked.

I was under the impression that liberty caps were pretty much unique in having a seperable gelatinous pellicle. They also have similar striations caused by the gills.

Frankly... a tad scary.



I know! So similar, I picked them due to their similarities, the stems especially felt so much like libs, really robust little mushrooms. And the fact that they had the separable pelicle made me think that they must have been in the Psylocibe family. It's been pointed out that they could be psylocibe fimetaria, although they would need to be viewed under a microscope to confirm that suspicion. I'm not going to consume them due to the uncertainty, still an interesting find though and definitely made me think twice about assuming mushrooms belong to a certain family based on shared traits. I have a picture of the membrane if you'd like to see it?




I would like to see a shot of that if possible. I found something very similar to these in the New Forest area and had a small doubt which vanished (rightly or wrongly) when I saw the jelly pelicle.

I would like it if a trusted identifier could confirm that Libs are or are not the only small brown mushrooms with a gelitinous pellicale that can be seperated. I think this is very important as I know I use this in the field to double check ones I am not certain about.

Thing is I was fairly sure they could have been p.Strictipes as the caps were rather flared like yours like as opposed to conical or having other more "typical" lib shaped caps.

Those that I found were also very robust stemmed and fibrous. They also smelt like libs (which is not generally and accepted means of identifying as I understand it)

I should have took a photo and now am annoyed with myself that I did not.

It's a little wake up for eveyone who has got a bit cocky.

Edited by Sobercolober (11/02/13 08:17 AM)

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: Sobercolober]
    #19074022 - 11/02/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I will add that this is another extremely good reason not to pick pins.

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: Sobercolober]
    #19074095 - 11/02/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I found these deconica yesterday. They're almost exactly the same discription as what Corsyadid found except no bluing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I understand none of the mushrooms in this genus are either poisonous or active.






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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: Sobercolober]
    #19074102 - 11/02/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Here you go...

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: corsyadid]
    #19074569 - 11/02/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Well we went out for another dog walk. There is another pile "D" which is off topic and will be looked at with a book/wiki next to it for checking if anything is edible. Some look so good they must be! Big fat white ones with pinky tan gills... and some that look just like what you buy in the shops. :smile: Anyway, out of interest here are some suspect ones we found.

Species: Three species, I think collected during walk and photographed on baking paper at home.

Habitat: Cow pasture by looks of it but no animals about. Possibly some sheep too. Plenty of horses being ridden around. Mix of long and short grasses. Plenty of clover, a few areas mossy.

Gills: A look dark with purple tint and are bruising that colour due to transport. B seem the same colour as the cap, just about. C are darker, possibly brown.

Stem: Medium thick. A less sturdy, B more sturdy, C more sturdy still.

Cap: As you can see; A is tan that bruises to purple-ish with an almost metallic glint. B is light brown/tan. C is brown brown. Although now I look I think the left most one in C might be out of place, looks less rounded at the top.

Spore print color: No spore prints, yet. Will do so if needed to further id.

Bruising: A definitely seemed to change. B and C seemed to hold their colour.

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Sorry the lighting is a bit poor. I can try and manually correct but I think they'll lose colour. I did an auto level/gamma run on them.

Anyway, interested to see what we picked up during the dog walk. Saw plenty of Mycena and hundreds if not thousands similar to pile C. Plenty of nice fat juicy white ones. A few of the spore puffing ones we saw before but they were hollowed out now. Really interesting!

Loving this hobby, it's bringing a welcome new dimension to walking the dog.

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: kjazz]
    #19074924 - 11/02/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

A all look like libs. B all look like sterile libs maybe. I found one of these recently but threw it away as I wasn't 100% sure of it. Wait for a trusted identifier. I think you've got a lib there on the left hand side in C. Don't know what the rest are.

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: Duggstar]
    #19074977 - 11/02/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Much obliged! Yes I thought the left hand one in C looked out of place once I'd done the photos. Imprecise eyes in kitchen light heh.

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: kjazz]
    #19075144 - 11/02/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, the one third from left in A looks a bit dodgy or it could just be the light. :frown:

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: Duggstar]
    #19075597 - 11/02/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Actually, the one third from left in A looks a bit dodgy or it could just be the light. :frown:



Yep I think you're right, it looked out of place there amongst the others. Good spot!

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: kjazz]
    #19076936 - 11/02/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Gutted that I've simply not had the time this year to head up to the hills and go some out hunting for libs! :sad:

How has everyone else managed to get on?


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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: kjazz]
    #19077502 - 11/02/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Numerous Psilocybe & Deconica species have a seperable pellicle.

Duggstar, Deconica is inactive and would rank as not worth eating, and barely digestible in any quantity. If you see more of those you could hold onto specimens and check for blueing later.

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Actually, the one third from left in A looks a bit dodgy or it could just be the light. :frown:



Yep I think you're right, it looked out of place there amongst the others. Good spot!



That one is Paneolus acuminatus. C is a lib, two Panaeolus spp. and perhaps an Inocybe. B might at least show a little bruising, can you look out for that? They probably are sterile libs but other easy tests for the sake of diligence are whether you can peel the pellicle same as the libs and whether it turns out to leave a spore print.


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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: Duggstar]
    #19079421 - 11/03/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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I found these deconica yesterday. They're almost exactly the same discription as what Corsyadid found except no bluing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I understand none of the mushrooms in this genus are either poisonous or active.










Good pics, yes coming right out of turd, never seen a lib do that unless turd landed right where mycelium is.(and even then not sure it would have the strength to pop through a full on plop. So I would know that was not a lib myself.(also these seem lighter in colour than a liberty cap, which tend to be more of a translucent brown when fresh) The pins do look very similar though.

Yes I see that Pellicle corsyadid, thanks and thanks Joie for confirming this Deconica mushroom lookalikey as well, always there for us, thanks. Defo one to be aware, it is reassuring to know they seem not to be poisonous.

Well I hit 2 of my spots today and was there with some others they seemed like nice people and you know thats what it's all about as well said hello and went our merry ways on the hunt. Found very few at this spot today about 12 in total. the standard thought of either not quite right conditions in this exact place or people have been having a good hoover up yesterday, one or the other or both I guess.

It's been below 8C around my area for 4 nights this week and pretty wet so I would have thought a new flush would be set off. I suspect this spot is late fruting and a couple of mild frosts might be needed to brign the last ones out. I am not convinced the end is nigh yet.

Ran over to another spot 20 miles off and could of had 400 and took about 100 of the nicest specimins, that will easily see all requirements for me for a year. Of note was that 15pct in this spot were rotten and most were very dry like 4 - 5 days dry to me, golden bronze tops and easy to spot a patch of 30-50 or so from 10-15m away in the low sun.

So a good day was had in sunshine and showers. Pretty nippy this morning early on.

Here is a question... If libs have been sitting for 3-5 days and have dried up in the sun/wind would they be less potent because of the light and warm than new fruits that are still brown and wet ? r does it take quite a while before the actives breakdown.

Look forwards to hear if anyone else had good luck this weekend.

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread? I think NOT! [Re: Sobercolober]
    #19079504 - 11/03/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Got a few libs today but stumbled across these in same field any ideas people? Very sticky on top just like libs but never seen them before. Bottom pic is my libs got about 120.




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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread? I think NOT! [Re: bobcoward]
    #19079533 - 11/03/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Protostropharia semiglobata.


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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread? I think NOT! [Re: Joie]
    #19079711 - 11/03/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Ah right thanks i have seen them before growing from dung these were in the grass and a lot smaller so guessing just babies then. Thanks Joie

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Re: New Liberty Cap 2013 Thread [Re: Sobercolober]
    #19079725 - 11/03/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Good pics, yes coming right out of turd, never seen a lib do that unless turd landed right where mycelium is, and even then not sure it would have the strength to pop through a full on plop.




This does happen, I've had 2 libs this year that have done exactly that.

I've picked a few thousand so far this season though so it's not that common.

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