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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18691622 - 08/11/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Doubt this is true I want to see the proof that weed lowers teens IQ


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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Brakepad]
    #18691917 - 08/11/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: dextroacidsoul19]
    #18691992 - 08/11/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/803197

The study of kids in Dunedin looks pretty solid, and suggests a permanent drop of 8 IQ points, not to mention the fact that usually IQ goes up over time.

There's a new study objecting to it, discussed here:

http://healthland.time.com/2013/01/15/new-research-questions-marijuanas-impact-in-lowering-iq/

but it's based on computer simulations, which are a pretty poor substitute for a study on real people.

As someone who fits this category, it sucks, but it seems a few of you are resisting the idea just because you don't want it to be true. There is no such thing as "proof" in the scientific world, just varying degrees of substantiation, so if you're waiting for 100% proof of anything, you'll be waiting forever.

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: dextroacidsoul19]
    #18692019 - 08/11/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

The key factor in this equation though is that each individual's brain chemistry is slightly different and what might happen for some might not happen for others. Using any drug at any age always has at least some slight risk to it, but in moderation and under applicable circumstances the risk can be significantly reduced. It's all a matter of trial and error and figuring out what works and doesn't work for you as an individual, as are a vast array things in this world.


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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Synthe]
    #18692189 - 08/11/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting to note that although the article in the OP claims marijuana lowers IQ, Wikipedia lists cannabis as a nootropic smart drug, stating "Cannabis Due to its AChE-inhibiting properties, Cannabis appears to highten acetylcholine levels and therefore studies suggest it as a treatment for Alzheimer's.[40] Anxiolytic and analgesic found in cannabis. Neuroprotectant, possible Alzheimer's prevention and possible neurogenesis inducer.[41] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic#Stimulants


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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18692344 - 08/11/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think any drug use while your brain is still growing is a good idea.

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: jellyfish]
    #18692353 - 08/11/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

That may well be true. I started smoking at 14 or so and have always been at the very highest levels of academic performance, but maybe I would have been even smarter if I never started smoking pot.
Too late now, in any case!

I still think the science on marijuana and IQ is unclear at best

I would say it is better for teens to be smoking weed than drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes.

But yes, abstinence would be the safest course for the young.


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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18692499 - 08/11/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

i think smoking weed should be at least an 18+ thing


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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: k00laid]
    #18692544 - 08/11/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

:ahahaha:
Scare the parents!  Charge them big $ for drug youth consultations.  Profit!

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: StygianKnight] * 1
    #18692567 - 08/11/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Its also worth noting that IQ tests themselves, and IQ scores, have been so heavily criticized as to be  completely invalidated. In school we watched a documentary on IQ scores and it basically said the whole concept of IQ scores, the way the test them, and the idea that IQ actually measures intelligence have all been shown to be complete  bullshit.

The gist of the documentary was that IQ is almost meaningless. So even if weed does cause a drop in IQ, its hard to say if that actually matters.


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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18692661 - 08/11/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Its also worth noting that IQ tests themselves, and IQ scores, have been so heavily criticized as to be  completely invalidated. In school we watched a documentary on IQ scores and it basically said the whole concept of IQ scores, the way the test them, and the idea that IQ actually measures intelligence have all been shown to be complete  bullshit.

The gist of the documentary was that IQ is almost meaningless. So even if weed does cause a drop in IQ, its hard to say if that actually matters.




This

Also, and this gets said a lot, Correlation does not imply causation.


Also, I would think that as a forensic psychiatrist this guy would mainly check children to see if they're competent enough to stand trial...


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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18692987 - 08/11/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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That makes sense. Thats what I thought, just political bullshit.




I actually don't think its political, it seems to me more of an issue with IQ tests. There is simply no way to reliably measure intelligence, so whatever facet they're measuring could well be something which you get worse at after smoking. Does that mean your actual intelligence has lowered? No.

My "IQ" is very high, less than 1% of people have a score as high as mine. But in my personal experience there are many ways which I do not excel mentally. My work is very mental, in some ways I have a clear advantage over my peers and in others a disadvantage just as clear. So I happen to excel in the areas they test in, but they obviously can't test for everything and neglect areas which are my weaknesses. That's why I have a "high" "IQ"

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18692998 - 08/11/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Its also worth noting that IQ tests themselves, and IQ scores, have been so heavily criticized as to be  completely invalidated. In school we watched a documentary on IQ scores and it basically said the whole concept of IQ scores, the way the test them, and the idea that IQ actually measures intelligence have all been shown to be complete  bullshit.

The gist of the documentary was that IQ is almost meaningless. So even if weed does cause a drop in IQ, its hard to say if that actually matters.




Agreed on all points

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18693058 - 08/11/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

The first time I used a vap:

wake n baked at 6 am
packing it like you would a bowl sesh
didn't know, we didn't know
packing multiples with a homie
went full derp
closest to 10/10 I'd been
passed out by 7
woke up at noon
made blueberry pancakes
chillin flying like a rock on the ground

My I.Q. dropped significantly for the short term

:derp:

Long term is speculative and cannot be concluded with confidence

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: mindapparatus] * 2
    #18694365 - 08/12/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Putting your kid in front of spongebob lowers his IQ

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Konyap]
    #18700398 - 08/13/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Whether you agree with IQ scores or not, you can't disagree that they measure something, and whatever they measure is consistent since the tests are the same. Therefore, whatever it is they measure, the evidence suggests you get worse at it, whereas people who don't smoke get better at it. Whether you can call it "intelligence" as a global thing might be up for debate, but they seem to measure reasoning, organizing and spatial negotiating skills.

You guys just seem to dislike the repercussions so you are psychologically resisting what is quite good research.

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: wintertime2]
    #18700436 - 08/13/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I still don't think IQ test measure intelligence. There is more to intelligence then a 100 year old test meant to separate the minorities from the whites.

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: Konyap]
    #18701769 - 08/13/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

OK, so forget "intelligence". How about "abstract reasoning"? I think that's fair.

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: wintertime2]
    #18701854 - 08/13/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

More like stress test.  A real IQ test is done under timed conditions with questions that slowly get more challenging.  It's impossible to finish the booklets so you spend the entire time solving problems.  Multiple areas are tested but it's generally limited to single answer questions and because of the problems with how questions are worded skewing the results many modern tests have dropped or gutted complex language skills.  Creating a test that is heavily logical & mathematical which doesn't show a very good picture of someone's Inteligence.  IQ tests don't test intelligence, they test your ability to take IQ tests.  IMO how you slept and what you've recently eaten probably has a much bigger effect than Marijuana 12 months ago.

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Re: Vaporizer marijuana use popular with teens, marijuana "lowers teen IQ permanantly". [Re: StygianKnight]
    #18704427 - 08/14/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah on the documentary I mentioned there was a guy who scored extremely low on his IQ test and was labelled and treated as a "moron" . He went on to be an award winning phd holding nuclear physicist.

IQ doesn't mean shit.


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