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What will happen to the economy when robots take over?
    #1868848 - 08/31/03 06:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Here in an interesting article on the coming robotic revolution. I believe the first part of the article to be accurate. I think in 10-20 years there will be almost no labor jobs, and unemploymnet in America will approach that of a third world country. This of course begs the question of who will buy the products if 20%-30% are homeless and unemployed.

An interesting read on the future of the economy, and especially the working poor.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1868916 - 08/31/03 07:11 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Dream on man. It won't happen. Robots will require maintenance, energy, and instruction. The only ones who will achieve the true freedom expoused in the article will be the high class who can afford to hire people to run their robots for them. Basically, the same way it is today.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: pattern]
    #1868955 - 08/31/03 07:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

At this point I would say that dreaming is our only hope.
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Basically, the same way it is today.





Except with unemployment as high as during the great depression.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1868979 - 08/31/03 07:36 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1868987 - 08/31/03 07:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: ]
    #1869036 - 08/31/03 08:09 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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By 2015 we will start to see voice-recognizing robots helping customers in these stores, inventory-shelving robots putting the products out, cleaning robots sweeping the floors and the parking lots, cart robots bringing the shopping carts back into the store.... Robots will be moving in to make the completely automated retail store a reality in a 2020 time frame.




Ppl (customers) like social contact, they love a chitchat here and there, especially when shopping or going out.
They will never like the idea of being helped by a cold robot who only gives the needed advice. nothing more, nothing less.

Do you like the idea of getting a beer from a robot?
I d rather have a nice lady behind the bar.

+ They forgot the fact that a robot is quite an expensive investment.
Its mostly cheaper to use human hands to do the job.
A robot isnt cheap, nor is the maintenance.



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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: Dava]
    #1869096 - 08/31/03 08:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Robots are getting cheaper. Soon robots that can replace humans will cost only a few hundred.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1869110 - 08/31/03 08:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

increasing our productive potential will just mean that there's more to go around.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1869151 - 08/31/03 08:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

It's an interesting theory.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: ]
    #1869200 - 08/31/03 09:17 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Stuff will have to be cheaper because A: stuff will be cheaper to make, and B: nobody will have any money.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1869206 - 08/31/03 09:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

When robots take over, they'll use us for energy and program an artificial world for us called the Matrix.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1869230 - 08/31/03 09:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure if the article "No Rest for the Productive" has been posted before, but it talks about how people already predicted a robotic takeover of manual labor at the World's Fair of 1939.



The interesting thing is that people were naive enough to believe that as robots (and later computers) started replacing human labor, that their work hours could go down from 40 hour work weeks to 20 hour work weeks, or that they would get more vacation time. But this hasn't happened even though technology would now make it possible.

"So why are Americans working harder than ever? The reason is that while technology has evolved, people haven't. If your employer discovers that a computer can cut the time it takes to do your job in half, is he going to let you work half your current hours for the same pay? No." Instead, he's going to fire half his workers, and the money saved will go to the corporate owners. This is a major reason why the rich are getting richer, while the middle class and poor are no better off today than they were a long time ago.



Ironically enough, it's the poor and middle class engineers and laborers who are developing and building the new technology that is making the rich richer (while they get nothing from it)!

And as the rich get more and more control of the Government, it's unlikely that this trend will ever change as long as people are naive and apathetic.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1869242 - 08/31/03 09:36 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

technology has been affecting the job economy for quite some time. 

I'm fairly certain that no matter how technologically advanced we get, there will always be menial chores and hard labor to be done. 

The human race has adapted to the influence of technology by becoming more intelligent.  A 100 IQ today is worth a 120 IQ back when they first started measuring them.  Its a good thing.

I think technology's influence on the job market is a probable cause of the fact that a high school diploma, and even a bachelor's degree are totally worthless.  To get a good job, you have to have masters or higher.  Education has to become a priority in people's lives if they dont want to starve.  IMO this is exactly as it should be.  The only problem is that not everybody has access to a good education :frown: especially in the preoperational development period where good education is important.

God willing, and with the right policy, our society will become a heirarchy of wisdom rather than a heirarchy of assets


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1869274 - 08/31/03 09:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

pretty soon education will be pointless because even a PhD will be worthless. You'll need at least 5 PhDs to get a decent job.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1869282 - 08/31/03 10:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Heh.  Whats with the pessimism?  PhDs are already worthless.  Its who you know, not what you know, right?  :wink:

Or maybe, which robots you know...


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: pattern]
    #1869298 - 08/31/03 10:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Or maybe which former president is your dad. :wink:


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1869305 - 08/31/03 10:10 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hopefully Americans will elect a robot president.


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: pattern]
    #1869314 - 08/31/03 10:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Nah, he lost to Bush last election. :wink:


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1869330 - 08/31/03 10:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"pretty soon education will be pointless"

I sincerly doubt that will ever happen.

"because even a PhD will be worthless. You'll need at least 5 PhDs to get a decent job."

If our IQ's continue to go up at the same rate, this shouldnt be a problem. We will be required of more intellectually, but the circumstances of our development will make us capable of more. All of my psych profs openly admit their students are more intelligent than they are. It only stands to reason: they grew up with black & white TV, and we grew up with MS windows and the internet.

Its the evolution revolution, baby!!!


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Re: What will happen to the economy when robots take over? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1869338 - 08/31/03 10:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Newsflash: IQ's aren't going up. Information is. There's a difference. I guarantee you that Ptolemy was smarter than you, even tho he thought the earth was the center of the universe. That was just the level of information they had available at that time.


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