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Offlinemattch1
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disadvantages of microwaving?
    #1868114 - 08/31/03 01:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I was wondering what disadvantages there are to just microwaving the PF jars for 10 mins instead of PCing or boiling for an hour... Anyone had any contam problems with microwaving for 10 mins?
~MC


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Re: disadvantages of microwaving? [Re: mattch1]
    #1868130 - 08/31/03 01:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The microwave is great for sterilizing casing mixtures. I've read mixed results when used to sterilize substrates.


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Re: disadvantages of microwaving? [Re: mattch1]
    #1868131 - 08/31/03 01:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

your jars will almost certainly contam if you do that.


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Re: disadvantages of microwaving? [Re: ]
    #1868179 - 08/31/03 01:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

microwaving alone doesn't work very well .
but this works . Grain without pressure cooker Tec


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Re: disadvantages of microwaving? [Re: ]
    #1868194 - 08/31/03 01:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

IME the disadvantages are ;

1- there's no recipe or TEK telling you how long you have to sterilize what (PF jar, substrate, casing, e.t.c.)....

Sollution; try...try...and try.....

2- it dries the substrate out more then PCing...

Sollution; Put some more water... :smile:

I tried microwave for HoneyWater, Poo+Straw Substrate, Casings and even grain substrate with great success....... I don't do cakes, so i've never tried nuking them..... :smile: But i've read some posts here mentioning that can be done.... You have to try and risk some of your cakes maybe till someone posts a recipe for it. :grin:
Since the wave lenghts of the microwaves are different, there must be a recipe including the time and wave lenghts to nuke for.... (Like 15psi for 60 min.) I'm working on it but takes time.... Hope this helps.... :smile:


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Re: disadvantages of microwaving? [Re: ]
    #1868197 - 08/31/03 01:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

microwaves have the advantage of heating the entire inside thoroughly. That means that the outside does not have to heat up before the inside heats up. Also, i dunno if uve ever heard about it, but microwaving can cause water to superheat, which means that it will get much, much hotter than 100 C, or its boiling point. Although in a PF jar, the water would almost certainly not superheat, this just shows that ALOT of energy will be distributed thru every part of the entire jar, inside and out. And it will definately reach the same temp. as boiling, if not higher. Im sure it will work, plus it takes less time, and is easier.... just wondering why its not more popular....

and, DOG, the reason to sterilize casing material and substate material is the same: eliminating contams. So if it eliminated contams in a casing material, it will also eliminate contams in a substrate material.... no?

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Re: disadvantages of microwaving? [Re: mattch1]
    #1868230 - 08/31/03 01:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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it will also eliminate contams in a substrate material.... no?




Casing mixtures are void (or nearly so) of nutrients. Substrates are nutrient rich and harbor a much larger number and variety of contaminants.


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Re: disadvantages of microwaving? [Re: dog]
    #1868297 - 08/31/03 02:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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deanofmean said:
microwaving alone doesn't work very well .
but this works . Grain without pressure cooker Tec




I don't want to mean to disagree with any of you experienced users.... I just want to share what i've been through... I tried different times, different wavelenghts for rye...(didn't try any other grain type... 24 hrs presoaked, boiled and drained rye berries) I lost some of my jars during this period to contams... But what worked for me is; i nuked a 1lt jar (3/4 full with grain) for 4 min. at the highest level. (don't know the wave lenght yet, i'm still looking for the manual of the MW) wait 3-5 mins and nuke for 4 min. again.... Wait 5 min. and nuke for 5 min..... repeat this 5min.-5min. cycle 2-3 more times.... (waiting period after 3rd 5 min. nuking period can be 7-10 min.s, i'm not pretty sure what i did.... Just let it cool down a little bit without taking out of the MW so that the grains won't explode) You just have to leave a little bit more water inside the jar... (BTW i place a coffee filter over the jar and attach it using plaster while in MW... And sterilize the lid with rubbing alcohol before putting on....)

It worked for me....But i don't advice it for now till i get stabile results....


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Re: disadvantages of microwaving? [Re: ph_plus]
    #1868410 - 08/31/03 03:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

cool man ,
glade to hear it's workin' for ya .
i have this puny little 700w micro, so that's a limiting factor for me .can't fit any larger then pint jars in it .
also i find my recipe needs adjusting according to the type of grain, birdaeed, popcorn, ect .
rye berries has been the hardest for me .(getting the water content right).
keep on experimenting . :smile: 


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