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QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's
    #1866766 - 08/30/03 09:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

In many threads i read most of the people use Syrian rue and other MAOi's to increase the duration and intensity of a mushroom trip.Many people mention a Qualitative difference as well...I want to focus more on the QUALITATIVE difference of the question.Can anyone elaborate on how it differs visualwise,headwise and bodywise?

Another interesting thought: Its a common practice to take the MAOi and after 1/2 an hour or so the mushrooms.Has anyone tried it the other way around? Maybe this way one can experience both the mushroom trip and the MAOi dimension.A lot of mushroom growing happens in this forum and people experiment with adding MAOi's but up to date i havent seen any people trying the above....So much for experimenting :P (no pun intented)


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Psiloman]
    #1866803 - 08/30/03 09:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

According to Terence McKenna, harmine (syrian rue) and tryptamines in your brain do some pretty wild shit. Don't ask me what, I didn't understand it, but from reading the Invisible Landscape I'd guess that the qualitative differences would be extroardinary.


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Noviseer]
    #1866980 - 08/30/03 11:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well , in some ways it made the trip acidy

if that makes sense, you see , usally on ACID I see some really cool , close up seeming kalidescope type shit, with one gram of shrooms and 6 grams of rue , this happens

but with say 35 p.scriptipes shrooms(boy I am lucky to live where I live and find what I find!) I saw landscapes , with images floating over top

the rue trip, and my large wild trip happen to be my favs of all time on shrooms, as for acid well thats another story



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    #1868647 - 08/31/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: poke smot!]
    #1869173 - 08/31/03 09:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I have noticed the experiences are much more visual ala DMT. There is a certain ancient connection present - quite hard to explain. Also, the rue makes you more sedated and relaxed, which is good for laying back and enjoying a closed-eye visual trip.



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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Xochitl]
    #1869604 - 08/31/03 11:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, so from what I've read 3 gms of syrian rue seeds is one dose. How much have any of you taken at one time?

I have about 235 gms of syrian rue, but haven't tried it yet. I get a little nervous because of all of the food items that contain tyramine and that you shouldn't eat before taking a MAOI. Do any of you fast before using syrian rue or are food reactions only a threat when you are using long lasting MAOIs?


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Ekstaza]
    #1869688 - 09/01/03 12:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I have about 235 gms of syrian rue, but haven't tried it yet. I get a little nervous because of all of the food items that contain tyramine and that you shouldn't eat before taking a MAOI. Do any of you fast before using syrian rue or are food reactions only a threat when you are using long lasting MAOIs?






I remmember when I got 250grams I was concerned to , but even though I eat alot of the things on the list often, soy, turkey etc, I found it easy to stay away from certain foods fro a day

find out what you CAN it , and munch alot of it, taco chips were good for me , make sure they have no soy oil, and if it says vegtable intead of canola dont trust it

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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1869697 - 09/01/03 12:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the tip.

Any more out there?


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Ekstaza]
    #1870107 - 09/01/03 03:17 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I've always been fine not eating anything for 4 hours beforehand, and the last meal before that 4 hour fast is white rice with braggs. Not soy sauce, use braggs cause braggs is unfermented. Fermented stuff is bad. It's not a big thing to worry about.

As for the trip.. I think what some people are saying.. more visuals etc. is said only because they've gotten more high on rue and shrooms than they ever have on shrooms because the rue makes it that much more potent. The one consistent thing that has always appeared during a rue trip is super intense conversation. Really fun, more energetic than on high dose of shrooms. But there's really no point in talking/posting about it, just go do it.


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Dogomush]
    #1870236 - 09/01/03 04:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The one consistent thing that has always appeared during a rue trip is super intense conversation.

Yes! In my experience, conversation had a certain ancientness about it. Codewords passed from one generation to the next.





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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Psiloman]
    #4253534 - 06/03/05 09:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Banisteropsis(sp?) Caapi -red and/or black- vine is a very potent maoi, its compounds potentiat itself. its suuper!


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: 3six5]
    #4253730 - 06/03/05 09:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i have 20g of rue and about 1.5g dried cubies sitting here right in front of me, i haven't eaten in about 12 hours and i am seriously considering trying out this combo tonight. unfortunately 1.5g is about 3 months worth of hunting in this city so perhaps a MAOI will bring the dose up. would anyone be able to recommend a rue dosage to go with 1.5g?


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Psiloman]
    #4254463 - 06/04/05 01:39 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Are there any easy to obtain MAOi's? Like something i could find in a store? I am tripping on monday and dont think i would have time to order something off the net


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Helge]
    #4256731 - 06/04/05 07:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

took 250mg rue extract 1.5 hours before consuming 25g fresh cubensis.

being an avid ayahuasca(mimosa/rue) enthuiasts, and having taken rue by itself a couple times before, i can honestly say that syrian rue does not increase the intensity nor the duration of the mushroom trip. what people observe when consuming the two is the effects of the rue. rue usually lasts at least 6 hours, gives you a feeling of a head high that can supercede that of a mushroom head high, and can make you feel as if your still tripping on shrooms even though they have worn off long ago since their comedowns are so similar.

more importantly, ive found that rue, as it does by itself, prevents the ease of thought that usually comes with a mushroom trip, and creates the typical feeling of blockhead ( where your in a state of stasis, where all you feel is high, and neither thought nor the will to do anything is present ).

mushrooms taken with syrian rue no longer becomes a mushroom trip, but a rue trip.


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: ajna]
    #4256753 - 06/04/05 07:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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i have 20g of rue and about 1.5g dried cubies sitting here right in front of me, i haven't eaten in about 12 hours and i am seriously considering trying out this combo tonight. unfortunately 1.5g is about 3 months worth of hunting in this city so perhaps a MAOI will bring the dose up. would anyone be able to recommend a rue dosage to go with 1.5g?




if you want to consume the rue, use the rule of thumb that rue contains 10% its weight in alkaloids, meaning with 20g's rue you would have less than or equal to 2 grams alkaloid content. with rue, there is a very fine line between an aweful trip, and an ineffective one. ive found that at my body weight of 150lb's, 250mg's is a perfect dose. google "manske extraction" so save yourself extra nausea from ingestion of the crude product. of course that would be pointless if you didnt have a precise scale, which i would suggest that you ingest ~2.5g's.


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: yousuck]
    #4256991 - 06/04/05 08:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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took 250mg rue extract 1.5 hours before consuming 25g fresh cubensis.

being an avid ayahuasca(mimosa/rue) enthuiasts, and having taken rue by itself a couple times before, i can honestly say that syrian rue does not increase the intensity nor the duration of the mushroom trip. what people observe when consuming the two is the effects of the rue. rue usually lasts at least 6 hours, gives you a feeling of a head high that can supercede that of a mushroom head high, and can make you feel as if your still tripping on shrooms even though they have worn off long ago since their comedowns are so similar.

more importantly, ive found that rue, as it does by itself, prevents the ease of thought that usually comes with a mushroom trip, and creates the typical feeling of blockhead ( where your in a state of stasis, where all you feel is high, and neither thought nor the will to do anything is present ).

mushrooms taken with syrian rue no longer becomes a mushroom trip, but a rue trip.




bullshit/ you have had only one experience with the combo and you post a conclusion like that?


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: Jdawg2013]
    #4257848 - 06/05/05 01:00 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

you dont have to take crappy combo's multiple times to know when their crappy.

of course i not sure about the shroomery crowd, ive seen some people on here that would burn themselves repeatedly before they knew fire was hot.


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: yousuck]
    #4259885 - 06/05/05 02:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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yousuck said:
took 250mg rue extract 1.5 hours before consuming 25g fresh cubensis.
i can honestly say that syrian rue does not increase the intensity nor the duration of the mushroom trip. 




If you were here I'd smack you.

My average dose is 5 grams dried but 4 grams dried plus 3.5 grams rue sent me on an 11 hour trip. No other trip I've had is more than 7....and you say syrian rue doesn't effect the duration of a mushroom trip :smirk:


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Re: QUALITATIVE difference using MAOI's [Re: ShroomyTunes]
    #4260206 - 06/05/05 04:46 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, you took 3.5g's of rue. thats ~350mg alkaloid content. trying taking that alone and you still go on an 11 hour trip. hell, i just consumed 290mg a few days ago in an ayahuasca session and im still feeling it. like i said, theirs a fine line between a painful long trip and a ineffective short one.


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