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Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana?
    #18659018 - 08/04/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't really suffer from major paranoia or anxiety after smoking but I 'thought' I felt a bit paranoid the first time I smoked, two days after my first mushroom trip.

Many people who I've talked to that don't smoke anymore because of major paranoia, made the assumption(s) the reason behind this was either smoking unnecessary amounts daily for a long period of time, age, or after tripping too many times on mushrooms. Then you have the people who struggled with bad paranoia from the start.

Yes, there's living proof that prove these assumptions false, but everyone's brain works differently, maybe there is some kind of correlation.

Thoughts, opinions, science?


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: zee007]
    #18659051 - 08/04/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

might not have anything to do with your mushy trip

but like you said, everyones wired differently

some people are predisposed to anxiety and paronia

for me smoking takes it away, i felt a little paranoid on my first shroom trip though

first few times i used K felt it too

if its just occasional and a little bit, id think you dont have too much to worry about


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: zee007]
    #18659066 - 08/04/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know if this goes for everyone, but usually after I smoke preceding a mushroom trip I get really high.

So high it makes me feel uncomfortable sometimes.

But its something I'm aware of and can prepare for.

Does anyone else have this?:shrug:


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: out7ider]
    #18659460 - 08/04/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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might not have anything to do with your mushy trip

but like you said, everyones wired differently

some people are predisposed to anxiety and paronia

for me smoking takes it away, i felt a little paranoid on my first shroom trip though

first few times i used K felt it too

if its just occasional and a little bit, id think you dont have too much to worry about




Hmmm, so you're saying paranoia can become worse being paranoid on many trips?

Can tripping mold your brain in a sense with concentrated feelings?


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: zee007]
    #18659469 - 08/04/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i get paranoia when i smoak but it never really bothered me much. smoak thru it


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: zee007]
    #18661773 - 08/05/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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zee007 said:
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out7ider said:
might not have anything to do with your mushy trip

but like you said, everyones wired differently

some people are predisposed to anxiety and paronia

for me smoking takes it away, i felt a little paranoid on my first shroom trip though

first few times i used K felt it too

if its just occasional and a little bit, id think you dont have too much to worry about




Hmmm, so you're saying paranoia can become worse being paranoid on many trips?

Can tripping mold your brain in a sense with concentrated feelings?




i hope you like reading essays :wink:

in my humble opinion, most people who feel continuous anxiety/paranoia while tripping probably shouldnt trip on anything (bud included) until theyre able to push away these thoughts while as sober as possible first. most substances, especially for inexperienced users, usually increase these feelings by heightening and/or causing them to dwell on delusional thinking (intrustive/racing thoughts). it can also bring out repressed memories, regrets, etc.

even if they are an experienced user, there could be a number of reasons they are getting these kind of thoughts/feelings (too much drug use, too little, new drug, marriage problems, etc.) it might, and a lot of research shows, that it will increase the frequency and duration of these thoughts. i dont trust statistics always, but i think this one may be correct

if you feel this constantly and it makes you uncomfortable, while tripping and/or sober, its best to try to change your thought pattern while as sober as possible first. if you dislike being sober, then attempt while tripping (might be more effective for some, but sober is more stable and settles in deeper in my opinion). basic psychology teaches that thoughts lead to feelings, feelings lead to behavior, behavior leads to actions, and actions become habits. its all consistency

as you already know, thoughts can be caused by anything...chemicals in the brain/body, your upbringing, environment, beliefs, values, fitness, financial situation, etc...the thoughts you have can lead to your body releasing its own chemicals also, further impacting all the mentioned variables above, e.g. a positive train of thought, from whatever source (drugs or willpower) leads one to study harder, work out more, have more money...and vice versa

some bad trips are caused physically by chemicals cut with other things and/or people arent dosing themselves correctly, even if they usually dont feel any anxious or paranoid thoughts while sober and/or during previous trips. its the same with the mind, even if you are getting good drugs and have given your mind/body rest for a decent amount of time, you can still have a bad trip from what youve been believing you are

having any type of thought cycle for an extended period of time usually becomes a habit, depending on your mindset (2-3 weeks for most) so the brain is programmed to think that way, and will likely lead to that type of of behavior and/or trips

to contradict myself, psychedelics can reveal you to your true self and may help change your thought cycle in a positive way, it did for me, but i had to implement what i learned during those trips while as sober as possible and consistently for it to take as much effect as it did, and not make me rely on substances anytime i felt negative thoughts. the best way, i think, is to do it while fully sober (like any of us are aha) and without the help of psychotropics first.

if a person feels like this continuously to the degree that its impacting their behavior, even while sober and trying to change their thought pattern for an extended amount of time, it could mean they have some underlying disorder that should be treated with proper medication first, and hopefully not abused (e.g. benzos). it can also be the bodies physical reaction from too much drug use, this goes back to the chemical thing...are the benzos changing the chemical that causes the thoughts? i think chemicals=thoughts and thoughts=chemicals.

we all feel anxiety and paranoia at times, some more then others, but for most its usually not to an uncomfortable degree and/or constantly. if it is, its good to see a doctor if they cant get rid of the feelings on their own. on the flipside, who knows, maybe someone whose felt anxiety and/or paranoia their whole lives will be able to "cure" themselves with psychedelics by tapping into their subconscious and reprogramming themselves. doing it sober can be stressful, but again, its the best and most stable way in my opinion

getting drunk makes me lose any form of anxiety, but i remain happy and friendly...some people become belligerent, maybe they have some insecurities theyre letting out, maybe trying to repress them even more, etc. im pretty sure if i drank consistently, id start acting different

tripping or sober, you're constantly molding your mind/body. truly concentrated feeling, i think, is when the mind/body/soul, whatever you want to call it, all comply with each other and believe in the same thing. e.g. im about to steal something, i know its wrong, so i feel anxiety. contradictory variables

i think the mind is only as easy to manipulate as the subconscious allows. when you add substances, it usually adds more to the question, but makes the answers seems clearer. its a paradox, like everything in life

its all variables bro

in short: hopefully you dont have any type of disorder, but to be safe you could try to lay off/cut down on substances for a while, reprogram your thinking while sober, and unless theyre prescribed already and youre taking them in the recommended doses, no medication

if you continue feeling anxiety or paranoia while sober constantly, see a doc, and do what he recommends. some pharmaceuticals have a bad rep, no guarantee they'll work either but they helped me a lot

if its just occasional and at a normal degree, like you mentioned, its probably no big deal...happens to every one, we're only human (except me, im an alien):aliendance:

and thats my rant

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hope the best for ya:thumbup:


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: out7ider]
    #18661790 - 08/05/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

In my experience it can just be the drugs themselves.

And any nervousness you had before could get increased two fold or not.

On pot I'll be really sociable for quite a bit then after that just go into silent bob mode.


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: Konyap]
    #18661833 - 08/05/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i feel you bro

its all variables in the end


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: out7ider]
    #18661839 - 08/05/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yeah it takes any edge I have off my image in just a few tokes.


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: Konyap]
    #18661845 - 08/05/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

another thing is mushrooms isn't like a few beers or a few tokes that shit kind of takes over your body for a little and you have to enjoy the ride.


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: Konyap]
    #18661853 - 08/05/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

true, i feel that it can fuck with peoples heads though if they have a serious disorder

i got a mild form of schizo and bipolar but my first trip on shrooms and every one after that was great

i try not to fuck with it on the meds im on now too frequently though


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: out7ider]
    #18661881 - 08/05/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you're having any difficulty at all with psychoactives, I highly recommend you give it all up. Schizophrenia is the scariest trainwreck / trip disaster this side of the grave and most of the time it doesn't stop.

These things don't bring up past regrets, they put you into a delusional state where you are being persecuted. The memories are just ammo for your brain to destroy you. And that's how I see it, the brain turns against you. It's a fucking nightmare.

Especially if you're medicated dude... you're going to just get delusional and not know it. One primary fact of schizophrenia is you do not know you have it. I just thought I was going through a developmental phase.


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: circastes]
    #18661904 - 08/05/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i know homey, the thing is i love trippin

i only do hallucinogens/dissociatives occasionally now

since im on meds and have "grown up" kind of

pretty much learned all i need to from substances

but still do them once in a while to keep reminding myself

all i do these days is smoke/drink on the weekends

more for relaxation than mind-exploration

dont get paranoia, anxiety, or any delusional thoughts

that stuff only happened when i was sober, and it was mild

maybe its delayed reaction from the chemicals

who knows, either way i doubt i'll ever give it up

i appreciate the concern bud, i feel where youre coming from

hope things work out for you:thumbup:


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: out7ider]
    #18662053 - 08/05/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: circastes]
    #18662946 - 08/05/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

All this info is good to know for future trips. Thank you guys for your input!


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: zee007]
    #18663647 - 08/05/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

anytime homeboy, i look forward to your future posts


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: out7ider]
    #18663953 - 08/05/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The marijuana paranoia is unique and is nothing like stimulant induced paranoia for me. When I smoke sometimes I feel like everyone can tell I'm high cause my eyes are red and I feel awkward and a little paranoid. This is half of it. The other half, for me, is when I smoke sometimes I start thinking of worst case scenarios. This over thinking causes some paranoia as well.


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: Magicman69]
    #18664248 - 08/05/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

try this dude, hopefully itll get rid of your buzzkills

-use eyedrops after toking, if not available
and someone you dont want knowing asks why
you have demon eyes, just say you have allergies,
wearing contacts, or something believable

-remind yourself no one one out in public knows
your high unless you give off hints, if you remind
yourself this constantly it'll hopefully take some
edge off the anxiety/paranoia

-some anxiety/paranoia is caused physically by
whatever youre using by raising your heart rate
/blood pressure for some, take deep breaths before,
during and after the process, drink some water or
something with nutrients (i use warm milk with honey),
meditate a bit, stretch, and tell yourself if you feel
it still, its just a normal physcial reaction from the
chemicals, most people get it to some degree from
a lot or different substances

-try to have one thought at a time. disregard any negative
thoughts, when one starts to happen cancel it out and try to
think of something positive or try not think of anything.
even when sober bad or racing thoughts can cause distress.
in any state, negative thinking can end up
fucking with your body language and coherence,
so people might become suspicious,
especially authorities

-when imagined worst case scenarios pop up,
tell yourself its all in your head. if the scenario relates
to some issue you have in life, try to take advantage of the
high and think of how you can fix it, we can come up with some
creative ideas to fix problems when in an altered-mind state.
i and a lot of people become empathetic and call old friends and
family to maintain ties, who knows, they might be able to rid
you of your real life problems

but yeah, if its just the imagination running wild in a bad way,
slow down, try to physically exert yourself so youre not focusing
too internally, and always stay relaxed. i think of it like
picking up a girl, when youre confident in who you are and what
you're doing, even when on something (to a certain degree),
you wont lose your cool as much and will begin to attract
good things

hope these techniques work out for you in whatever mindstate/
situation you apply them in:thumbup:


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: out7ider]
    #18665423 - 08/05/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

ime

Smoked weed for 10+ years. Spent a couple years messing with mushrooms, and all was well, I enjoyed both. Weed usually made me paranoid but I learned to ignore/deal with it. Never felt paranoid on mushrooms at all.

At some point I had a pretty negative trip which I couldn't get past, and every other trip became a downward spiral so I stopped tripping. But after the bad trips I felt I became hypersensitive to weed. I'd smoke a quarter of a bowl and feel uncomfortably high, with remnants of my bad trips. Even like five years since I last tripped on mushrooms, I still found it hard to enjoy a weed high. So I quit that too.

It's not all bad, since experimenting with mushrooms I feel it's almost impossible for me to get depressed anymore, I never get the inkling. Even though i'd been depressed most of my life up until then, anti-depressants, doctors, all that shit. It just vanished and never returned. But yeah mushies plus weed I don't think always go well together.


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Re: Mushroom use enhancing/causing paranoia from marijuana? [Re: zee007]
    #18665450 - 08/05/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i didnt read anyone elses replies, but back in the day i use to smoke MASSIVE amounts of bud with no issue. now, i cant smoke a bowl of shit dirt weed with out gettin the paranoia/ anxiety thing. i did eat a bunch of mushrooms and other shit around that period too. lsd, mushrooms, dxm... who knows, maybe there is a connection.


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