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ChillWillis
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Various questions from a returning hobbyist
#18660184 - 08/04/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello, it's been about 3 years since I last had a go at things but opportunities have arisen that have given me the chance to continue pursuing my old (second ) favorite hobby.
In my return I realize times change and I had some quetions on the development of the hobby:
1.) I have read that syringes typically are good for 7-8 months if kept in a dry, dark place. Are there any methods to prolong their longevity (i.e. freezing) aside from refrigeration, which I've read can extend the time slightly - to what kind of timeline I'm unsure..?
2.) Best (simple) substrate? I believe a few years ago it was widely considered that WBS was best.. Now perhaps rye? I'm big into the old 'keep it simple stupid' acronym.
3.) Best (simple) casing material? Previously I'd always used pasteurized peat moss.
Thanks for your input shroomies
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: ChillWillis]
#18660222 - 08/04/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I keep my syringes wrapped up in tin foil in the fridge (veggie drawer). I'm pretty sure they'll last longer than 7-8 months.
I have tried WBS and prefer to work with rye. I just think it's easier to work with and easier to get the moisture content right on.
Are you cultivating cubes? If so don't worry about a casing layer. I've had some luck with using bubble wrap as a sort of casing layer, though.
Good luck
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: ChillWillis]
#18660223 - 08/04/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. As far as the life of syringes, check this out. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17277772 This came from a syringe that was much older than 7-8 months. You'll have to look through the thread to find the exact age. As far as recommending someone to try that. I probably wouldn't.
2. Rye is the 'gold standard' as RR has put it. It's supposed to be the easiest to get the moisture content right, but it depends on what you have available to you. If you live near a drop point for Azure Standard, then rye would probably be the way to go. 50 lb bags for 20 dollars! If you don't or can't find it locally for cheap, WBS will work just fine. I've found the moisture content is really not that hard to figure out. Look up FrankHorrigan's teks. These are all good resources for anything up to date.
3. Casing layers are not required for cubes, but if you like them, more power to you. I've personally never used one.
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: ChillWillis]
#18660232 - 08/04/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've heard that 3 year old syringes can still be viable. Don't know from experience though.
Rye grass seed seems to be gaining in popularity for master jars anyway, supposedly they colonize very fast and provide many inoculation points.
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: ChillWillis]
#18660236 - 08/04/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. Spores in syringes will stay viable longer than that....
2. For grain spawn....either WBS or Rye....I use WBS because of the inoculation points and the price.
3. If you mean casing material...try jiffy mix seed starter.
If you mean bulk substrate, then coir, manure, verm, straw, etc. are all good.
I suggest spawning the grains to a pasteurized bulk substrate rather than just casing them.
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ChillWillis
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: invitro]
#18660275 - 08/04/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you everyone for your input, and speedy delivery 
As far a the substrate - I have been looking at Magash's tek located here, is FrankHorrigan's tek more recent? I particularly liked Magash's tek because of its simplicity.
On the casing note.. I will be working with p. cubensis brazillian. Is casing no longer considered an effective way to increase yield? What is popular today? Instead of using peat casing or coir/verm casing, you'd do what - just lay out your colonized rye in a pan and let it fruit?
I've seen bubble wrap mentioned a few times but haven't found any kind of tek on it yet and so don't really understand it's purpose atm.
--edit-- maybe I have become confused on the difference between casing and bulk.. Which is the one where you put a thin layer on bottom and top of colonized substrate, allow it to fully colonize, and then fruit?
Thanks again guys
Edited by ChillWillis (08/04/13 07:38 PM)
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PussyFart
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: ChillWillis]
#18660298 - 08/04/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. Stop referring to grains as substrate.....it's just too confusing...refer to them as spawn or just grains.
2.Casing was never needed to increase yield with any variety of cube.
It will help moisture retention and pinning if a proper environment cannot be obtained, but casing cubes does not really affect total yield at all.
3. Do not worry about bubble wrap at the moment.
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ChillWillis said: Is casing no longer considered an effective way to increase yield? What is popular today? Instead of using peat casing or coir/verm casing, you'd do what - just lay out your colonized rye in a pan and let it fruit?
If you plan on just fruiting grains in a pan, with no substrate material, then yes a casing layer is needed....but not for yield, for moisture retention so the grains do not dry out and contam.
Spawning the grains to a pasteurized bulk substrate material will get you the best bang for your buck, and does not require a casing layer.
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: PussyFart]
#18660342 - 08/04/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Spawning the grains to a pasteurized bulk substrate material will get you the best bang for your buck, and does not require a casing layer.
^^^^This is what's got it goin' on.
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Magicman69
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: PussyFart]
#18660349 - 08/04/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks bro..you always have great info and to the point.
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ChillWillis
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: PussyFart]
#18660407 - 08/04/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the information, it's very much appreciated.
I believe I had casing and bulk substrate confused. As far as bulk substrates, what is a simpler method that you'd recommend? I'd planned to do coir/vermiculite.
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freebananas



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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: ChillWillis] 1
#18660417 - 08/04/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think it gets any simpler than that, and effective too. Here is a good tek for that. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18279232#18279232
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Re: Various questions from a returning hobbyist [Re: freebananas] 1
#18660471 - 08/04/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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