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State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care * 5
    #18654574 - 08/03/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care

On Monday night, Joshua Hill’s daughter Alexandria, or Alex as they liked to call her, was rushed to a Rockdale hospital with severe head injuries, then flown to Scott and White Children’s Emergency Hospital in Temple and immediately placed on life support.

Alex was living with foster parents after DFPS removed her from her parent's home last November for "neglectful supervision."

Hill admits they were smoking pot when their daughter was asleep.

“We never hurt our daughter. She was never sick, she was never in the hospital, and she never had any issues until she went into state care.”

Alex spent time at two foster homes. Her parents noticed bruises on her body and mold in her bag when they saw her while she was at the first home. Her father says he told Child Protective Services they’d have to put him in jail because he didn’t want to return her to the foster home, and in January she was placed in a second home. Alex is now dead, and the foster mother was arrested after her description of what happened to Alex didn’t match the injuries Alex sustained. The mother admitted to slamming the two-year-old girl’s head and is charged with murder.

Statistics on child abuse in foster care are, perhaps unsurprisingly, hard to come by, but children in foster care may be up to 10 times more likely to die than children in the care of their own parents; one estimate places the number of children who die in foster care in the US every year at about 1540.

Update: KXAN provides more details, including some of the allegations the state apparently based its decision to seize the child on and the fact that the two-year-old was in the care of her grandparents when she was seized; the state determined her parents had "limited parenting skills." KXAN also reports something called "Residential Child Care Licensing" (the station does not identify what that is, but it appears to be a part of CPS) is now investigating the foster home and the service the state used to place Alex in that home.


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: leon trout]
    #18654646 - 08/03/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I wonder if there is more to the story.  Seems the state would need more, than the parents doing a little toking.

Foster care is bad from what I hear.  Seems people do it for money and others do it to molest kids!


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: leon trout] * 1
    #18654647 - 08/03/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Sickening. How many parents get wasted on alcohol while their children are awake? That's perfectly fine and legal though. . .

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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #18654667 - 08/03/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Morel Guy said:Seems the state would need more, than the parents doing a little toking.




unfortunately though they usually don't... i have a friend, his mother-in-law called CPS, said he was smoking pot around the child... CPS swooped in tested father & child... child came up negative, dad came up positive, grandma came up with custody... it's a fucked up world we live in...


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: leon trout] * 1
    #18654790 - 08/03/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Alex is now dead, and the foster mother was arrested after her description of what happened to Alex didn’t match the injuries Alex sustained. The mother admitted to slamming the two-year-old girl’s head and is charged with murder.




i hope she gets the death penalty, if not applicable in the state, then life (and beaten to death by other inmates)


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: out7ider]
    #18654873 - 08/03/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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out7ider said:
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Alex is now dead, and the foster mother was arrested after her description of what happened to Alex didn’t match the injuries Alex sustained. The mother admitted to slamming the two-year-old girl’s head and is charged with murder.




i hope she gets the death penalty, if not applicable in the state, then life (and beaten to death by other inmates)



For some reason i feel like the second option is what will happen. It's a sad day in our country when the "criminals" do a better job spreading justice than the the judges and politicians.


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #18654896 - 08/03/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

agreed. to quote the movie 'shooter':

"it's not the Wild West anymore, you can't just clean up the streets with a gun, even though sometimes, that's exactly what's needed."

sometimes the "criminals" are better than "law-abiding citizens"


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: trampis] * 1
    #18654928 - 08/03/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I can't even muster up words for this.
It's complete and utter bullshit.
Down with the feds, down with the cops, down with the man.
Fucking incredible.
So saddening... I can't believe what this world is coming to.
Can one not even go a day without seeing a child die because the government refuses to see that drugs aren't as bad as they seem?
Especially just over a little pot.

What if this was your little sibling folks. Let's stand up to this complete nuisance.


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: elementblazin] * 6
    #18655119 - 08/03/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

This is fucking disgusting. And it goes to show just how fucked the CPS type agencies are. I have heard of people losing their kids over all kinds of ridiculous bullshit. And admitting that you smoke pot when you child is asleep does not mean you're an unfit parent. Plenty of parents do 10,000 times worse, and just don't get caught.

I recognize that we need agencies that work to better protect children, especially those in abusive situations. But I think, like most other government agencies, it has gone much too far, and a whole lot of stupidity, and red tape and bureaucratic bullshit are taking what should be a helpful agency and an awesome social service, and turning it into a rigid, blind-to-reality-because-of-tunnel-vision-on-the-rules monstrosity that often does more harm to society than it does good.



Leave it to rule-book thumping fanatics.... ruin every good god damn thing in the world....


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: leon trout] * 1
    #18655157 - 08/03/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

>Adult or adults who are parents consume marijuana, a less powerful and dangerous drug than alcohol - probably not even near their children.
>State literally kidnaps their child and sends them off into our broken foster care system so they can be beaten to death




Logic?


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: leon trout]
    #18655280 - 08/03/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

rest in peace poor child :sad:

this shit happens everyday unfortunately...humans are fucking monsters..:nonono:

makes me literally sick to think about..

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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: out7ider]
    #18655365 - 08/03/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Alex is now dead, and the foster mother was arrested after her description of what happened to Alex didn’t match the injuries Alex sustained. The mother admitted to slamming the two-year-old girl’s head and is charged with murder.




i hope she gets the death penalty, if not applicable in the state, then life (and beaten to death by other inmates)



Oh come on. She killed a 2 year old, but the death penalty?

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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: out7ider] * 2
    #18655529 - 08/03/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Alex is now dead, and the foster mother was arrested after her description of what happened to Alex didn’t match the injuries Alex sustained. The mother admitted to slamming the two-year-old girl’s head and is charged with murder.




i hope she gets the death penalty, if not applicable in the state, then life (and beaten to death by other inmates)



I would much rather the people who took the child away from her parents get the death penalty, like if they hadn't stuck their noses were they didn't belong the child would still be alive. It's they're fault the child died :nonono:

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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: Psilosopherr] * 4
    #18655534 - 08/03/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Death penalty for child killers yea, what's wrong with you? Ever lose a kid?

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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18655540 - 08/03/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Alex is now dead, and the foster mother was arrested after her description of what happened to Alex didn’t match the injuries Alex sustained. The mother admitted to slamming the two-year-old girl’s head and is charged with murder.




i hope she gets the death penalty, if not applicable in the state, then life (and beaten to death by other inmates)



Oh come on. She killed a 2 year old, but the death penalty?



thats my opinion, was pretty infuriated after reading the article, but still stick with it

if it had been an accident i would understand

and maybe the foster mother was herself abused as a child and didnt
think anything of it

a slap maybe, pushing her maybe...

where i come from its normal to hit your kids

but killing them is entirely different

you get your head cut off for something like that

being from a different culture doesnt impact my opinion

theres too many cases of children dying from abuse and negligence
all over the world for this to still happen, and no doubt it will continue to happen

i know that "worse" people usually get the death penalty

but so do ones that arent that bad

maybe she'll regret what shes done and become a better person

on the flipside whose to say that if shes paroled she doesnt abuse
other children?

theres a limit to "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

it should be up to the parents what happens, life or death

in their rage they might pick death

after thinking about, maybe life

but it should ultimately be up to them

not a jury, judge, and a flawed system

child murder isnt something id react neutral to

you have your choice, i got mine

in the end, i guess there is no "correct" method

what if it was your child/sibling?


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: Adden]
    #18655559 - 08/03/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Death penalty for child killers yea, what's wrong with you? Ever lose a kid?



No I've never lost a kid.

I just can't wrap my mind around deciding someone dies for their crime. If they do this more than once then i could start to see it.

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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #18655579 - 08/03/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

so.. they would have to kill more children for you to see it justifiable for that person to get the death penalty? :wutermelon:

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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: KT-BC]
    #18655590 - 08/03/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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so.. they would have to kill more children for you to see it justifiable for that person to get the death penalty? :wutermelon:



Yep.

They didn't write anything about the circumstances. Not much justifies killing a kid, but maybe she was on meth or something. Not that that makes it better I just wanna know.

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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18655662 - 08/03/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Death penalty for child killers yea, what's wrong with you? Ever lose a kid?



No I've never lost a kid.

I just can't wrap my mind around deciding someone dies for their crime. If they do this more than once then i could start to see it.



i feel where youre coming from...its all variables in the end bro, like everything in life

this is a heavily debated issue along with other topics

whose to say if a person should die or not? does it depend on the severity of the crime? what if the criminal is from a broken home and wasnt rasied better? what if he was from a nice home but still decided to do so? humans can be good/bad judges at the same time, or choose the wrong/right decision in the moment. its all a matter of perspective

what if the jury consists of mothers? maybe ones who have lost children themselves?

what if it doesnt, and the people want to react peacefully?

maybe CPS is to blame, but what if they had good intentions
and didnt expect this to happen?

you see where im going with this...

id like to think the foster mother didnt want to kill her, maybe she was on something (shouldnt be working there then in my opinion)
maybe she was extremely frustrated and reacted in a way she shouldnt have, but in that situation, most of them are trained to deal with the stress

as for the bruises, maybe the foster mother beat her, maybe other
people in the foster home beat her

many will disagree, maybe the parents are to blame for using "drugs"
around her (stupid reason in my angry yet humble opinion)

its all how people analyze things in the end

sometimes having a system is good, sometimes bad

sometimes its better to take matter into your own hands

doesnt happen too often in this country, maybe it should

death penalty is what i feel the right thing to do

but in the end, no one is truly a fit judge

all we can is analyze and hope to make the best choice

even then, you're damned if you do, and damned if you dont

and thats my rant:thumbup::thumbdown:


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Re: State Seizes Two-Year-Old Child From Parents Because They Smoked Pot, Child Dies in Foster Care [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18655666 - 08/03/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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so.. they would have to kill more children for you to see it justifiable for that person to get the death penalty? :wutermelon:



Yep.

They didn't write anything about the circumstances. Not much justifies killing a kid, but maybe she was on meth or something. Not that that makes it better I just wanna know.





heres a hypothetical for you.......

okay so you an your wife are smoking grass while your child is asleep and a neighbor smells it and calls the police on you. you admit to smoking and the state takes your child. the foster parent kills your child. beats it to death. now, your telling me..you, personally wouldn't want equal justice for the sake of your child ? hell most people would want to take the life of the murderer themselves.


so honestly, if you were the parent of that child, you wouldn't want that person killed?

and why would her being on drugs matter at all. if anything it makes it worse. state takes child from pot smokers and gives to meth smoking murderers..

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