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tbagtag
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: cynical bastad]
#18836652 - 09/13/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Yeah those are def too full. I would shake them right now. If you get that myc distributed really well they will be 100% in 3 or 4 days. You're going to have to beat the hell out of them on a roll of duct tape or a tire or something like that then shake the hell out of them. Next time don't make them so full!
UGH! That's what I was worried about! So, let me make sure I understand please. It's been about 48 hours since I did the g2g...and because of how full I got them I should go ahead and try to reshake them to move some of the myc down? Thanks so much for the quick response PS!
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psillyshroomer said: Yeah if you get that myc evenly distributed they will be done very quickly. They will still finish if you don't shake them but not near as quick
I accidentally filled my grain jars full just like Ms A did, was not an option to shake. They did take a bit to fully colonize, and when they did it was a battle w/ my hand beating the crap out of all jars to wiggle them out. When this happens, if properly sterilized grain jars take more time, and are full...what are the risks? Grain drying out? Thanks.
Grain drying, bacteria and not enough gas exchange to the bottom grains are issues that could occur. Doesnt mean it will just that it could.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18836700 - 09/13/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just finished making up a bunch of jar lids with sfd attached with silicone. No more annoying ass tyvek for me!
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: MsAngelique]
#18836706 - 09/13/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tbag...that is the most technically advance process of "shaking your jars" I've every seen! I love it...and thanks for posting it! I did break up and shake them this morning and hope that I was able to distribute more evenly. Question? I really worked them hard...to use your words..."like giving a angry hand job"...lol...but, is it possible to overshake/bruise them, cause I really gave them a good one?
Thanks! Hopefully they will begin to recover quickly and I get on to my very first monotub!!!!! 
Well.....To be honest I think I am going to have to come by to experience your technique to see if it was too hard! lol JK
All dirty jokes aside, so this drop method worked well for you? And bruising from the shake is unlikely, and I mean this as no offense, but breaking up on your first shake left the rim of mycelium on the bottom, my guess would be you couldn't shake them hard enough to bruise.
The bruising usually comes from the strike method when too much force is used. My method prevents excessive force and uses barely any "force" at all. I could go into a big long post about it but ill save the diatribe for more pasteurization talks.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18836864 - 09/13/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks, one more question:
Instead of buying smaller tubs, understand i could use 33qt or any, but to save a few dollars and peace of mind of something contaminating in one...i've been thinking of using two liners and just having basically two shoe boxes cover the 66qt mono, would this end up throwing everything off? If i had to pull one, leaving the other is definitely going to throw RH all off...right?
Thanks again
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: cynical bastad]
#18836891 - 09/13/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grain, coir, and verm are cheap man. Just do a couple 66qt tubs and be done with it 
I know that wasn't the advice you were seeking but it's the best I can do. Tbag can probably do better
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: Stromrider]
#18836941 - 09/13/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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and i should...as i will quit over thinking everything and just follow his grow along.
Thanks Psilly
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: cynical bastad]
#18836949 - 09/13/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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cynical bastad said: and i should...as i will quit over thinking everything and just follow his grow along.
Thanks Psilly
Lol your welcome
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: cynical bastad]
#18837061 - 09/13/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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cynical bastad said: Thanks, one more question:
Instead of buying smaller tubs, understand i could use 33qt or any, but to save a few dollars and peace of mind of something contaminating in one...i've been thinking of using two liners and just having basically two shoe boxes cover the 66qt mono, would this end up throwing everything off? If i had to pull one, leaving the other is definitely going to throw RH all off...right?
Thanks again
Are you dividing the larger tub into 2 parts using the shoebox as a divider? Im having a hard time understanding what it is you're asking. And for once I'm not high - maybe thats the problem...
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18837201 - 09/13/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you got contams in one what would stop the mold spores from comtaming the other? I guess my thinking is that by the time you realize there is a problem in one it has already become airborne.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: blueconfusion]
#18837227 - 09/13/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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blueconfusion said: If you got contams in one what would stop the mold spores from comtaming the other? I guess my thinking is that by the time you realize there is a problem in one it has already become airborne.
Thankfully mold spores that land on a fully colonized substrate won't immediately grow more mold. It's not like catching a cold 
The other side would still have a chance, but I wouldn't recommend diving a tub into two sections because that is just silly
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18837262 - 09/13/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah good point frank I guess I was imaging problems before the sub was fully colonized
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: blueconfusion]
#18837371 - 09/13/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see what you are getting at.
Proper pasteurization is like your substrate's "vaccine"
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18838427 - 09/13/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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cynical bastad said: Thanks, one more question:
Instead of buying smaller tubs, understand i could use 33qt or any, but to save a few dollars and peace of mind of something contaminating in one...i've been thinking of using two liners and just having basically two shoe boxes cover the 66qt mono, would this end up throwing everything off? If i had to pull one, leaving the other is definitely going to throw RH all off...right?
Thanks again
Are you dividing the larger tub into 2 parts using the shoebox as a divider? Im having a hard time understanding what it is you're asking. And for once I'm not high - maybe thats the problem...
I thought about wording that a bit different, but then thought i was too baked...was referring to using the liners to divide, opening two bag's and filling them, the 66 would turn into two 33's. Just in case it contaminates, i'd be able to remove one? But would that just mess it all up as well?
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18838478 - 09/13/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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blueconfusion said: If you got contams in one what would stop the mold spores from comtaming the other? I guess my thinking is that by the time you realize there is a problem in one it has already become airborne.
Thankfully mold spores that land on a fully colonized substrate won't immediately grow more mold. It's not like catching a cold 
The other side would still have a chance, but I wouldn't recommend diving a tub into two sections because that is just silly 
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FrankHorrigan said: I see what you are getting at.
Proper pasteurization is like your substrate's "vaccine" 
I figured it may be a bit silly, but then again i....i'll just quit worrying about it, between the two of you i should be able to follow directions. I was told to do a microwave method w/ the coir, but that made no since to me so i put it on the stove...and did it that way. Surely if i follow The Roaster way, i'll be doing my coir so much better then i did before. I just kept having contams in pairs: 2 jars, 2 more G2G jars, 2 trays, then 2 more... by using the trays i was able to pull them out as soon as i spotted trich and the other tray were fine for a couple months. I'm pretty anal about everything i do, i have nothing but time to let my brain race, as i'm not able to move around much. You guys are fucking awesome by the way!
Thank you all! Much love.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: cynical bastad]
#18839081 - 09/13/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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cynical bastad said: Thanks, one more question:
Instead of buying smaller tubs, understand i could use 33qt or any, but to save a few dollars and peace of mind of something contaminating in one...i've been thinking of using two liners and just having basically two shoe boxes cover the 66qt mono, would this end up throwing everything off? If i had to pull one, leaving the other is definitely going to throw RH all off...right?
Thanks again
Are you dividing the larger tub into 2 parts using the shoebox as a divider? Im having a hard time understanding what it is you're asking. And for once I'm not high - maybe thats the problem...
I thought about wording that a bit different, but then thought i was too baked...was referring to using the liners to divide, opening two bag's and filling them, the 66 would turn into two 33's. Just in case it contaminates, i'd be able to remove one? But would that just mess it all up as well?
Yeah, I wouldn't do that, humidity in a tub generally isn't an issue, FAE and gas exchange are your biggest concerns. And dividing it, especially with cardboard, seems like a bad idea. Even if you wrap the cardboard you're still going to have problems with possible molds, mildew, the walls of the cardboard collapsing. Moisture will eventually get through that plastic, if not the heat and humidity of it all.
I'm all for experiments and all, but I'd pass on that one. The last time I fucked with my substrate (and I'll see if I can find the thread) someone suggested that you make rolling hills instead of a flat surface in your tub. I never had such a shitty pinset ever. So now, with my tubs I can keep it simple.
Shop around, usually you can get 2 30ish qts for the same price as a 66qt. If you're in the states check your major hardware stores on Sundays and Thursdays, try places like Big Lots or Odd lots even. I dont think ive spent more than $4 on a tub.
Although if you are following this thread you will have enough to do 1 66qt tub and maybe some leftover to play with. So the shoebox idea will be unnecessary.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18839169 - 09/13/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'm sorry man.. .. I was thinking of using two trash bag liners...am i missing something maybe o.O Do you open the trash bag's and fill them w/ sub? Or are you guys just setting them in the bottom? That may be something i over looked. If opening them, i was then thinking of filling each one w/ sub....so that they'd be all nice and cozy...next to each other. Using the liner's as the divider....
And thanks for all the help
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: cynical bastad]
#18839176 - 09/13/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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That would work too....
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: cynical bastad]
#18839191 - 09/13/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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cynical bastad said: i'm sorry man.. .. I was thinking of using two trash bag liners...am i missing something maybe o.O Do you open the trash bag's and fill them w/ sub? Or are you guys just setting them in the bottom? That may be something i over looked. If opening them, i was then thinking of filling each one w/ sub....so that they'd be all nice and cozy...next to each other. Using the liner's as the divider....
I'm making my tubs hopefully Monday as long as my jars are 100% colonized (they should be, at the very least ill probably have 6 jars ready)
I will show you how to do a liner, drill the holes all that shit.
Tomorrow we are drilling holes, Monday we do the liner as we spawn.
Sunday you're going to be proper pasteurizing and Monday/Tuesday you will be spawning. You're grain jars are OK at room temp for a few days at 100%, the longest I've kept a jar and had solid success was in the one week range. You do not want to keep it long though for the sheer fact of it needs to stay in colonization stage and not consolidation.
So all this talk, lets see those jars so someone can give some exact advice for you.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: PussyFart]
#18839195 - 09/13/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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cynical bastad said: i'm sorry man.. .. I was thinking of using two trash bag liners...am i missing something maybe o.O Do you open the trash bag's and fill them w/ sub? Or are you guys just setting them in the bottom? That may be something i over looked. If opening them, i was then thinking of filling each one w/ sub....so that they'd be all nice and cozy...next to each other. Using the liner's as the divider....
And thanks for all the help
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Notahacker420 said: That would work too....
Could you be more vague NaH?
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: cynical bastad]
#18839235 - 09/13/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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cynical bastad said: If opening them, i was then thinking of filling each one w/ sub....so that they'd be all nice and cozy...next to each other. Using the liner's as the divider....
I usually cut them open and line the bottom of the tub, then cut off the access after spawning, right at substrate level, but using the bags as bags would work as well.
Just cut them right above the substrate, and line a monotub with them.
As long as it takes up the same amount of space, and has the same amount of moisture, it will act the same and the monotub should remain set and forget(not needing to be misted/fanned), at least until after the first flush, and yea that would keep them separate.
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