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psilocybebonsai
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: Stromrider]
#18830286 - 09/11/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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sta-green is controlled by monsanto!! i meant nothing about the quality when i mentioned it. just the company that controls it.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: psilocybebonsai]
#18830288 - 09/11/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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psilocybebonsai said: sta-green is controlled by monsanto!! i meant nothing about the quality when i mentioned it. just the company that controls it.
Lol, at least I wasn't the only one that didn't catch that
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Stromrider
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: Stromrider]
#18831278 - 09/12/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Just harvested my tub. I didn't get the pinset i hoped for but I got some real nice fruits

I wish Tbag would grace us with his presence
Ok so I just got these dried and packaged for a rainy day. The grand total was just shy of 4.5 oz
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MsAngelique
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: Stromrider]
#18831309 - 09/12/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said:
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psillyshroomer said: Just harvested my tub. I didn't get the pinset i hoped for but I got some real nice fruits

I wish Tbag would grace us with his presence
Ok so I just got these dried and packaged for a rainy day. The grand total was just shy of 4.5 oz
Awww I'm so jealous....no envious is a better word! I'm doing great PS thanks for asking! In two days I will be my birthday and I will be on vacation for 10 days...YEA...now if I just had those newly dehydrated shrooms..haha!
OK, I have a question please. I did my g2g less than 48 hours ago and they are doing awesome on their recovery! I think I might have messed up a little bit and would like to know if there is anyway I can correct it? When I adding my colonized grain to my new grain I believe I overfilled the jars. Of course I sealed them shut in the SAB before removing to shake to distribute. When I started trying to shake that's when I realized..I really couldn't move the colonized around very well. So, my recovery appears to be all in the top 3rd of the jar so far. Is there anything I can do? Will the myc grow downwards into the new grain? Should I risk pouring some out? Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: MsAngelique]
#18831727 - 09/12/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm here sorry.... Too many days off in a row with too many party favors on hand... Lost track of the days - kept thinking today was Tuesday....
Psilly nice job!
I should be ready to spawn any day now. So I will take some photos (for reals this time Tbagtag is now back to earth) of my jars to show progress and Saturday drill my tubs fo r first use.
Ms. Angelique - You will be fine. I am going to post a video soon that will show how to break up your jars using minimal force. This will work on over filled jars and ones that are "glued" together. Essentially its the principles of terminal velocity, inertia and centrifugal force to cause the grain to break up. (when you smack the object against something you have 2 opposing objects of matter both providing equal force, this is why mycelium can bruise during the break up and sometimes not break up the contents of the jar)
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18832503 - 09/12/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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here is an update of my mini dubtub. and another small treat.
I didnt have a bag at the time, so i had to spraypaint the outside of my tub. taped a small paper square over the pfil holes and when i took it off the paint peeled DOH! That doesnt stop that little side-pinner from making his way out, though! 
top view. The taller ones are about 3 inches tall.
And some unpasteurized leftovers that i put a few chunks of spawn in. I had this thing taped with a black bag on the outside but it wasnt doing anything so i figured i'd take the bag off and just take whatever side-pins i could get. When i took it off i found these guys (they werent poking through the surface, yet)

I'll probably leave the dubtub to go until most are good for harvest. So if that means a few broken veils, then nbd to me. I also have a 27qt mono that i just put in fruiting conditions.. as well as another small 6qt (no side-pin prevention) of leftover unpasteurized -- one small pin. the mycelium looks to be dehydrated (bruising) or maybe mold -- i hope not mold. I'll update with the rest later.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: psilocybebonsai]
#18832614 - 09/12/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Right, a liner is the only way to keep sidepins at bay. I use the rolls of black 30 gallon heavy duty trash bags.
Using a liner prevents a micro climate from forming on the sides and bottom of the tubs.
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psilocybebonsai
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18832721 - 09/12/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: Right, a liner is the only way to keep sidepins at bay. I use the rolls of black 30 gallon heavy duty trash bags.
Using a liner prevents a micro climate from forming on the sides and bottom of the tubs.
yeah, i previously thought it was to block light. Which i'm sure helps. It wasnt until i read a tek (maybe yours?) on it and the mentioning of microclimate. Oh well, at least that one guy is buggering his way out... kinda..
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: psilocybebonsai]
#18833532 - 09/12/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here are my jars from the grain to grain. Most of them are at 80 -100%, those that are less are going to get a shaking from me to re-distribute the grains. This will give me full colonization on all my jars within 48 to 72 hours.

Which means - I gotta drill some holes (full disclosure I am going to only demonstrate, the tubs I just picked up are for greenhouse bricks, but you will see a final product.)
And pasteurize some substrate. Goal is to be spawning on Sunday/Monday and put into fruiting 4 days later.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18833732 - 09/12/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just knocked up my jars this morning gonna follow the grow a long a month late since I had already started a grow when I found this post.
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MsAngelique
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18834164 - 09/12/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I feel like I need to post this again, maybe pics will help me feel better. As I said in an earlier post when I did my g2g I got the jars too full and could not shake like I think I needed to in order to redistribute. So my second level of colonization is going great, but only at the top. My concern is, will this move downward on it's on, will I need to "try" to do another shake at some point, or am I going to just be able to use the top portion of my jars when I do my move to the monotub? Just making sure I progressing correctly with this grow technique and not messing up along the way. Thanks for any feedback.
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Stromrider
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: MsAngelique]
#18834218 - 09/12/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah those are def too full. I would shake them right now. If you get that myc distributed really well they will be 100% in 3 or 4 days. You're going to have to beat the hell out of them on a roll of duct tape or a tire or something like that then shake the hell out of them. Next time don't make them so full!
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MsAngelique
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: Stromrider]
#18834262 - 09/12/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Yeah those are def too full. I would shake them right now. If you get that myc distributed really well they will be 100% in 3 or 4 days. You're going to have to beat the hell out of them on a roll of duct tape or a tire or something like that then shake the hell out of them. Next time don't make them so full!
UGH! That's what I was worried about! So, let me make sure I understand please. It's been about 48 hours since I did the g2g...and because of how full I got them I should go ahead and try to reshake them to move some of the myc down? Thanks so much for the quick response PS!
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Stromrider
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: MsAngelique]
#18834319 - 09/12/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah if you get that myc evenly distributed they will be done very quickly. They will still finish if you don't shake them but not near as quick
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: Stromrider]
#18835501 - 09/13/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll post an update.
My mini dubbo will be harvested tomorrow. I was pondering letting them all mature but i dont think i will.
Here are some glamour shots to make my first bulk (first grow in 7 years) look better than me.
overall - veils just tore a few hours ago
overall again

sexy
sexy
i know its not pro status, but i'm very happy. I considered not posting in this thread, but i wanted to share my energy with other people who may be nervous about their first bulk. I, additionally, have a mono in the works.
I'll leave you all with one last picture. i'm incredibly surprised this did ANYTHING, and i adore it. unpasteurized pint jar + pnut butter jar... i call this the dubjub.

Thank you tbag for this thread of inspiration, encouragement and companionship!  Also thank you psilly for being such a friendly guy. You stand out, to me. 
See you all soon! P. Bonsai
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: psilocybebonsai]
#18835649 - 09/13/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks awesome bonsai! Great job! And thanks for the complement. You made my morning
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psilocybebonsai
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: Stromrider]
#18835668 - 09/13/13 05:03 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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of course!
also, if anyone has any feedback on that grow i'd love to hear it. The most i can think of is maybe CO2 caused some proportion issues. but overall not to bad, maybe?
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: Stromrider]
#18835782 - 09/13/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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MsAngelique said:
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psillyshroomer said: Yeah those are def too full. I would shake them right now. If you get that myc distributed really well they will be 100% in 3 or 4 days. You're going to have to beat the hell out of them on a roll of duct tape or a tire or something like that then shake the hell out of them. Next time don't make them so full!
UGH! That's what I was worried about! So, let me make sure I understand please. It's been about 48 hours since I did the g2g...and because of how full I got them I should go ahead and try to reshake them to move some of the myc down? Thanks so much for the quick response PS!
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psillyshroomer said: Yeah if you get that myc evenly distributed they will be done very quickly. They will still finish if you don't shake them but not near as quick
I accidentally filled my grain jars full just like Ms A did, was not an option to shake. They did take a bit to fully colonize, and when they did it was a battle w/ my hand beating the crap out of all jars to wiggle them out. When this happens, if properly sterilized grain jars take more time, and are full...what are the risks? Grain drying out? Thanks.
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: MsAngelique]
#18835997 - 09/13/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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MsAngelique said: I feel like I need to post this again, maybe pics will help me feel better. As I said in an earlier post when I did my g2g I got the jars too full and could not shake like I think I needed to in order to redistribute. So my second level of colonization is going great, but only at the top. My concern is, will this move downward on it's on, will I need to "try" to do another shake at some point, or am I going to just be able to use the top portion of my jars when I do my move to the monotub? Just making sure I progressing correctly with this grow technique and not messing up along the way. Thanks for any feedback.

I agree those are too full but can still be saved. I would recommend shaking between today and tomorrow if you can. I want to post a video but I am not going to have enough time to do it before you need to do your shake.
Soooooo.. I am going to try and explain it as best as possible.
Low Impact Shake Tek by Tbabgtag:
Items Needed:
Grain Jars Large cloth towel Telephone book Composition notebook Floor or hard counter
Step on 1:
On your hard counter set down a large cloth towel, then set aa phone book down on top of that. On top of the phone book put the composition notebook down (these are the "hard" bound notebooks with all the speckles and shit on them) you can find these at walmart or even a dollar store with the rest of the notebooks.
Step 2:
From about 8 inches above drop you drop your jar of grain. The jar will reach a terminal velocity of 9.6 MPH which is much less than the impact of pounding your grains against a bike tire, your palm etc...
In addition to the terminal velocity the grain inside is still moving at 9.6 MPH after the jar stops. Within one or 2 drops the grain will split in half looking like 2 grain cakes.
With the swing method you soften the blow so myeclieum stops moving upon the force of impact - with the drop we use inertia as there is no opposing force to stop the mycelium or grain from moving.
Now that we got the grain split in half we still arent done.
Now take that jar about 4-6 inch's above your notebook, telephone book towel combo. With a forward flick of the wrist toss the jar no more than an inch or 2 above your hand - you want to try to go as straight up as possible. Repeat until the grains are mostly broken up.
At this point shake your jars like you're giving am angry handjob. After a couple of strokes grab your jar like your about to eat an ear of corn (normally not sexually no felatio on the jars) and roll the jars in your hands while do gentle shakes.
This will distribute the mycelium with little to no impact as the most force it will receive due to the falls is terminal velocity at 9.6MPH.
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MsAngelique
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Re: Wanna try grains and monos but afraid? Well come to Tbagtags Grow-Along [Re: tbagtag]
#18836012 - 09/13/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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tbagtag said:
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MsAngelique said: I feel like I need to post this again, maybe pics will help me feel better. As I said in an earlier post when I did my g2g I got the jars too full and could not shake like I think I needed to in order to redistribute. So my second level of colonization is going great, but only at the top. My concern is, will this move downward on it's on, will I need to "try" to do another shake at some point, or am I going to just be able to use the top portion of my jars when I do my move to the monotub? Just making sure I progressing correctly with this grow technique and not messing up along the way. Thanks for any feedback.

I agree those are too full but can still be saved. I would recommend shaking between today and tomorrow if you can. I want to post a video but I am not going to have enough time to do it before you need to do your shake.
Soooooo.. I am going to try and explain it as best as possible.
Low Impact Shake Tek by Tbabgtag:
Items Needed:
Grain Jars Large cloth towel Telephone book Composition notebook Floor or hard counter
Step on 1:
On your hard counter set down a large cloth towel, then set aa phone book down on top of that. On top of the phone book put the composition notebook down (these are the "hard" bound notebooks with all the speckles and shit on them) you can find these at walmart or even a dollar store with the rest of the notebooks.
Step 2:
From about 8 inches above drop you drop your jar of grain. The jar will reach a terminal velocity of 9.6 MPH which is much less than the impact of pounding your grains against a bike tire, your palm etc...
In addition to the terminal velocity the grain inside is still moving at 9.6 MPH after the jar stops. Within one or 2 drops the grain will split in half looking like 2 grain cakes.
With the swing method you soften the blow so myeclieum stops moving upon the force of impact - with the drop we use inertia as there is no opposing force to stop the mycelium or grain from moving.
Now that we got the grain split in half we still arent done.
Now take that jar about 4-6 inch's above your notebook, telephone book towel combo. With a forward flick of the wrist toss the jar no more than an inch or 2 above your hand - you want to try to go as straight up as possible. Repeat until the grains are mostly broken up.
At this point shake your jars like you're giving am angry handjob. After a couple of strokes grab your jar like your about to eat an ear of corn (normally not sexually no felatio on the jars) and roll the jars in your hands while do gentle shakes.
This will distribute the mycelium with little to no impact as the most force it will receive due to the falls is terminal velocity at 9.6MPH.
Tbag...that is the most technically advance process of "shaking your jars" I've every seen! I love it...and thanks for posting it! I did break up and shake them this morning and hope that I was able to distribute more evenly. Question? I really worked them hard...to use your words..."like giving a angry hand job"...lol...but, is it possible to overshake/bruise them, cause I really gave them a good one?
Thanks! Hopefully they will begin to recover quickly and I get on to my very first monotub!!!!!
Edited by MsAngelique (09/13/13 08:37 AM)
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