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OfflineChiefThunderbong
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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: lysergicTripper]
    #1866878 - 08/30/03 08:16 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You all seem way too upset over this....it's my personal opinion that if people want to be stupid and risk killing themselves, then let em do it. Only an asshole would eat an unidentified mushroom, and there are too many assholes in the world already.


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! *DELETED* [Re: hawk]
    #1866977 - 08/30/03 09:07 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: lysergicTripper]
    #1867027 - 08/30/03 09:34 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Yellow spore prints and bruise blue, eh? I think your definition of brusing blue is probably skewed somehow. I don't know of any mushrooms with a yellow spore print that bruise blue.

This is very important: is the spore print color rusty?

I'm really hoping you didn't find some of the deadly Cortinarius mushrooms that cause kidney failure. If this is the case you won't see signs of poisoning for another 10-20 days. To be honest the first thing I thought when I saw those mushrooms was "it's some kind of Cort."

Wait to see what ToxicMan says, but I've got a feeling you could have made a bad mistake(well, eating unidentified mushrooms was a bad mistake, but it might be worse).

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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: Gumby]
    #1867054 - 08/30/03 09:48 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I reccomend checking into the hospital just in case man, this sounds like a very bad mushroom.


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1867058 - 08/30/03 09:53 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

If you are worried about moms&dad finding out, don't even worry about that man, we're talking life and death here.


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1867148 - 08/30/03 10:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

wow, please keep us posted. i hope you don't die. why even post if your gonna eat them anyways? idiots.


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: DanKnugget]
    #1867174 - 08/30/03 10:32 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I hate kids who think that shit won't ever happen to them.


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1867345 - 08/30/03 11:35 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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rommstein2001 said:
I hate kids who think that shit won't ever happen to them.




you can't hate on him for being a complete ass everyone has a feeling of invincibility when they are young,if he is serious hopefully he would have learned a lesson, this thread should be used as an example of exactly what not to do.


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: kief]
    #1867355 - 08/30/03 11:39 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

thats what makes them kids.

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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: lysergicTripper]
    #1867397 - 08/30/03 11:58 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Effed dug this up, and I think it would serve you well to read it and consider:

History: History of exposure is of utmost importance; without it, diagnosing mushroom or orellanine poisoning is unlikely. History of mushroom ingestion may be very remote, particularly with orellanine, since early gastrointestinal symptoms may not be severe enough for patients to seek medical attention. Patients with symptoms of renal failure may not present until 1-3 weeks after exposure. The emergency physician should routinely inquire about mushroom ingestion whenever a patient presents with gastroenteritis. A shorter latent period before onset of illness suggests more severe toxicity and greater risk of more severe renal failure than delayed onset of illness. Improvement in renal injury may occur within several weeks to months; however, renal injury may last months to years and patient may require chronic hemodialysis or renal transplant.

Important details of ingestion include the following:

Time of ingestion and, most importantly, time from ingestion to onset of symptoms (onset typically delayed)

Amount ingested

If co-ingestion of other types of mushrooms occurred

If other people ingested the same mushrooms and, if so, their reactions or symptoms

Where the mushrooms were picked
Gastrointestinal symptoms
Nausea and vomiting

Abdominal pain

Diarrhea or constipation

Symptoms are usually mild and observed 24-48 hours postingestion.
Renal symptoms
Flank pain

Intense thirst (sometimes described as burning)

Polyuria or oliguria
Anuria (rare)
Acute renal failure may occur anytime from 36 hours to 2 weeks postingestion.
Systemic symptoms
Anorexia
Chills
Myalgias
Dysgeusia
Rash
Neurologic
Somnolence
Lassitude
Headache
Paresthesias
Tinnitus
Seizures (rare)
Physical: Patients with orellanine induced renal failure may have a paucity of findings on physical examination.

Assess volume status
With anorexia and polyuria, volume depletion may be present.
With anuric renal failure, volume overload is possible.
Neurologic
With modest degrees of renal dysfunction, mental status may be relatively preserved.
With more advanced renal failure, depressed mentation, confusion, or coma may occur.
Myoclonus and asterixis suggest uremia in this setting.
Gastrointestinal: By time of presentation, abdominal symptoms may have resolved.
Renal: Flank tenderness may be present.
Other findings: Signs of uremia (eg, pericarditis, pleuritis, volume overload) may be present.
Causes: Risk factors include ingesting mushrooms of the Cortinarius group that contain the renal toxin orellanine. Severity is partially proportional to amount of toxin ingested.


If you are experiencing any of these symptoms (and even if you aren't) you should go seek a professional opinion.  Don't fuck with the mushroom.  :syringe:
 


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: geokills]
    #1867436 - 08/31/03 12:18 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: geokills]
    #1867447 - 08/31/03 12:22 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Patients with symptoms of renal failure may not present until 1-3 weeks after exposure.




No rush to help him then. I will on my next day off, probably Monday?

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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: lysergicTripper]
    #1867660 - 08/31/03 02:35 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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we ingested them before u even replyed. i know it was stupid but they seem alright .....





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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! *DELETED* [Re: DanKnugget]
    #1867667 - 08/31/03 02:40 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! *DELETED* [Re: DanKnugget]
    #1867668 - 08/31/03 02:40 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: lysergicTripper]
    #1867683 - 08/31/03 02:46 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

blue meanie did not say those shrooms were non toxic. he said,quote "Those are not a Psilocybe species. The gill colour indicates that the spore print would probably be lightish - they dont look like poisonous hypholoma or galerina, but still they aint active."

as you can see the mushrooms you ate have not been identified and the fact that they dont resemble hypholoma or galerina does not mean that they were not toxic


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: Hanky]
    #1868168 - 08/31/03 11:26 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

:shake: :shake: :shake:
Why do people risk there lifes trying to get fucked up.


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: lysergicTripper]
    #1868261 - 08/31/03 11:56 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

It's been about 24 hours? That's a promising sign. Most toxins would have shown symptoms by now. They don't look like the deadly Cortinarius species. That doesn't mean you're 100% clear yet. After all, the deady Cortinarius were discovered to be deadly in 1953. There are certain to be a lot of currently unknown poisonous and deadly mushrooms discovered in the future. Keep eating unknown mushrooms and you can be the one who discovers one of them.

It looks like you got lucky (that you're not in the hospital, that is).

Before you consider eating anything you find in the future, learn a bit more about what the ones you want to eat look like. DO NOT go around matching specimens to photographs. People end up in emergency rooms all the time because they try to identify mushrooms that way.

Blue bruising is an important feature in identification. To bruise a mushroom, cut it in half vertically and scrape the inside of one half with your knife edge (not gently - you're trying to bruise it). In some mushrooms the color changes from bruising can take up to an hour, so don't be discouraged if you don't see it in 10 seconds. In mushrooms where the flesh is strongly colored, blue bruising can be difficult to imposible to see. Panaeolus subbalteatus is an example - experienced mycologists will bruise the whitish mycelium at the base of the stem of this species to see the bruising.

One of the most important features for identification is spore print color. If you don't already know how, learn how to make a spore print. And make them for any mushroom you're identifying. DO NOT assume that the color of the gills is the color of the spores - there are a lot of exceptions to that rule. Inocybes (which are almost all poisonous) often have white gills. I've found some Inocybes this year that looked just like Mycenas until a day or two passed and the ripening spores changed the apparent gill color.

And NEVER eat any mushroom unless you know (for certain - this IS a case of life and death) exactly what species it is. Misidentification is the main cause of mushroom poisoning. Before you eat a mushroom you need to be able to tell not only what species it is, you need to be able to tell how you know what species it is. The "how you know" part should not be limited to only 2 or 3 characteristics. You need to be able to go over the entire text description of the species and verify every single thing in it. Any mismatch shows that you have the wrong species.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #1871627 - 09/01/03 03:20 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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my brother reported some hallucinations





hehe this kinda made me chuckle. Amazing how the placebo effect works.

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Re: newb first hunt need ID QUICK!!! [Re: lysergicTripper]
    #1872024 - 09/01/03 06:06 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I thought I'd mention that a mere 1 or 2 days doesn't get you out of the woods with the deadly Cortinarius species. You could show no symptoms for 2 or more weeks and then get sick!

If you find yourself showing the symptoms of kidney disfunction, you should seek medical attention. The main symptoms you should watch for are excessive urination (way more than normal) and extreme thirst (sometimes described as a burning thirst that you can't quench).

With medical attention the survival rate is fairly good (better than 90%).

Happy mushrooming!


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