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niteman
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: xbloodwhipx] 1
#18652744 - 08/03/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thank you for supporting my point abstrakt. I was referring to the grower. The thing is any rational, coolheaded, and lets add intelligent, because lets face it not everyone who grows mj is sharp as a tack, would see that hiring someone to assault anyone(especially children) over marijuana would be a big mistake and probably their last. Putting aside the fact that like someone already said the grower is normally paid upfront and therefore would not suffer from this type of incident, one can only logically assume that the possible legal ramifications would far outweigh the perceived benefits of playing mafia. Consider the fact that even if you get off you will still be racked in well over 16 grand in legal fees and you will undoubtedly have an arrest record if you didn't previously. You can say whatever you want I dont take issue with peoples ideas but your solution to the situation is laughable at best. If you owned a car dealership and someone stole a car from your lot would you hire thugs to beat them and possibly jeopardize your business image? If we go around acting like hardened criminals the Federal government will never see us as more than that. Marijuana is a harmless plant. It gives relief to people that need it. Whenever people put a price on something so pure and beneficial they write it off as nothing more than a way to stuff their pockets. Many of the people cashing in on the "medical marijuana" surge recently are nothing more than money hungry capitalist who peddle relief to all those who can afford it. Modern day snake oil salesmen. Marijuana should be legal. Not decriminalized and not just for medical use. 100 percent legal. We shouldnt restrict such a beneficial plant at all. I detest the dispensaries as much as any other shameless money whores. They are only in it to make a buck and frankly dont care about the effect on the surrounding community or anything else for that matter. I may not be the most intelligent person on the planet but I know that until everyone is able to grow pot In their own backyard we have not won. It dissapoints me that people have became complacent and greedy. They are so interested inthe easy money that they no longer fight for what they once believed was right. The money changed them from caring individuals who stood up for what they believed in to another cog in the greed machine. The people who try to seem so spiritual or professional like they are doctors or wise men are just compensating for the fact that they know deep down they are sellouts. Lets face it you grow weed. Thats it and it isnt theoretical physics it is basic gardening. You may think you are some genius botanist who will change the world, hell it may happen, but likely you are just another gardener doing what gardeners have done for a long long time. Get over yourselves and realize that you are hindering the process. Screw tax money. Screw limits. It is a plant people. People need to lose the ego and do what is best for everyone not just the ones that stand to profit. If you think you can have true respect for something you see as money you are wrong. The only thing people like that respect is the dollar signs. Please forgive me for being so long winded and I am not condemning all growers or dispensaries I am only stating what should be obvious. If we do not change the way we think about these things that we call "drugs" we will continue to abuse others I the process of our misunderstanding.
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: niteman]
#18653017 - 08/03/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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niteman said: Thank you for supporting my point abstrakt. I was referring to the grower. The thing is any rational, coolheaded, and lets add intelligent, because lets face it not everyone who grows mj is sharp as a tack, would see that hiring someone to assault anyone(especially children) over marijuana would be a big mistake and probably their last. Putting aside the fact that like someone already said the grower is normally paid upfront and therefore would not suffer from this type of incident, one can only logically assume that the possible legal ramifications would far outweigh the perceived benefits of playing mafia. Consider the fact that even if you get off you will still be racked in well over 16 grand in legal fees and you will undoubtedly have an arrest record if you didn't previously. You can say whatever you want I dont take issue with peoples ideas but your solution to the situation is laughable at best. If you owned a car dealership and someone stole a car from your lot would you hire thugs to beat them and possibly jeopardize your business image? If we go around acting like hardened criminals the Federal government will never see us as more than that. Marijuana is a harmless plant. It gives relief to people that need it. Whenever people put a price on something so pure and beneficial they write it off as nothing more than a way to stuff their pockets. Many of the people cashing in on the "medical marijuana" surge recently are nothing more than money hungry capitalist who peddle relief to all those who can afford it. Modern day snake oil salesmen. Marijuana should be legal. Not decriminalized and not just for medical use. 100 percent legal. We shouldnt restrict such a beneficial plant at all. I detest the dispensaries as much as any other shameless money whores. They are only in it to make a buck and frankly dont care about the effect on the surrounding community or anything else for that matter. I may not be the most intelligent person on the planet but I know that until everyone is able to grow pot In their own backyard we have not won. It dissapoints me that people have became complacent and greedy. They are so interested inthe easy money that they no longer fight for what they once believed was right. The money changed them from caring individuals who stood up for what they believed in to another cog in the greed machine. The people who try to seem so spiritual or professional like they are doctors or wise men are just compensating for the fact that they know deep down they are sellouts. Lets face it you grow weed. Thats it and it isnt theoretical physics it is basic gardening. You may think you are some genius botanist who will change the world, hell it may happen, but likely you are just another gardener doing what gardeners have done for a long long time. Get over yourselves and realize that you are hindering the process. Screw tax money. Screw limits. It is a plant people. People need to lose the ego and do what is best for everyone not just the ones that stand to profit. If you think you can have true respect for something you see as money you are wrong. The only thing people like that respect is the dollar signs. Please forgive me for being so long winded and I am not condemning all growers or dispensaries I am only stating what should be obvious. If we do not change the way we think about these things that we call "drugs" we will continue to abuse others I the process of our misunderstanding.
Well No offense to you or Surreality, but I actually have been in this business of growing for almost 10 years and only a year in a medical state. Growers contracted for dispensaries as the one in OP are usually not paid what the entire grow is worth upfront. THIIIISSS IS A FACT FROM MY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE.
And you sound like your just now dabbling in this culture. My ego has nothing to do with this. Your really just rambling and putting words in my mouth.
But let me be very real. In the Kentucky Appalachians, where most people live under poverty level and no real jobs exist. Many grow pot to keep food in their fridge along side raising live stock and doing what ever they can to support themselves. These people live off almost nothing and have almost nothing. And some of them were the most friendly and genuine people Ive ever met. But if you walked on their plantations, and some how didnt fall prey to a boobies trap. If you were spotted you would be shot, killed and everything but your teeth would be fed to the hogs. This is simply how it is there. Your taking peoples ability to survive in some cases. If you cant accept that your living in fantasy land.
The chance of violent altercations happening in a Medical State is little to none because in most cases you can go to the police and conduct business. Outside of a medical state and it is the wild wild west. These kids will face no retribution because of their age. If they were older they might have ended up getting "taught a lesson". If they did this to some guy growing out of his basement in a state where all forms of pot growing/use are illegal. The grower would have two choices, either let it go.. Or fuck their day up. And dude I know more pot growers than anyone Ive met. Most of the ones I know in non MMJ states never "just let it go"..
And you talk about not putting a price on medicine. Well what you dont realize is, us growers understand that more than you. Thats one reason they tend to violently re-act when some one steals a whole crop. If they were growing for their own medical condition or say a friend who has terminal cancer, and lose their crop. They lose their medicine, which for some people can mean losing a life. Most growers with any shred of integrity will not charge a sick person who needs it more than anything it cost to produce it. And thats literally dirt cheap. I charge my sick patients nothing at all. And that puts me out of pounds out of pocket in between every harvest. How ever, 80%+ of the people who buy from me despite having a medical card do not need it. They're abusing a very wide loop hole to get high. If their over 21 I dont have to even see it. These people are charged cash for pot their using as recreational so I dont have to charge my actual clients that absolutely cant go a day with out it. And thats how most growers Ive met here work. And it should be that way. We all want to help those that need it most, out of hearts, but we all have ourselves to take care of, some with full families to support.
And one more thing, I admire your point of view. Sounds like me when I was younger. But its just not the world we live in. Your heads in the right place as unrealistic as it is.. Who knows, hopefully the rest of the world will catch up with you. Us. Like minded thinkers in general. And then I can finally stop feeling like such a bitter asshole around people. Because most people unfortunately suck.
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i don't think you need to resort to violence. even with illegal products you can still have a civil business in a civil community without having to go to the police ever.
if you watch your back so that you don't get busted, or busted with volume. you should manage to not get robbed for your volume. and not need to act like a thug.
you only need to resort to violence if someone brings violence upon you, say la vi
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: SurReality]
#18653928 - 08/03/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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SurReality said: the fault is on the business.
youre blaming the victim for being robbed?
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: k00laid]
#18654010 - 08/03/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: SurReality]
#18654320 - 08/03/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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SurReality said: i don't think you need to resort to violence. even with illegal products you can still have a civil business in a civil community without having to go to the police ever.
if you watch your back so that you don't get busted, or busted with volume. you should manage to not get robbed for your volume. and not need to act like a thug.
you only need to resort to violence if someone brings violence upon you, say la vi
While I agree. Again its just not the world we live in. I did some digging around. There was actually a grower who shot and killed someone in the midst of stealing their harvest in Northern California, and he was let off scott free because he was lawfully protecting his property. That will set a precedent for other growers to go ahead and do the same.
As long as pot is worth as much as it is. And people are willing to steal it. People will unfortunately die over it, medical state or not.
Im not violent, I would never shoot someone over pot. But after being robbed I set my garden up with game motion sensor cameras, boards with lots of nails through them flipped upside down, and a two foot trench around the garden meant to snap an ankle. Someone came into the garden halfway through my first grow this year, and stepped on a board and since hasn't been back.
Serves them right, for trespassing in my garden, in my own backyard while Im dead asleep in my house. This isn't something I hatched an idea to do, this was something recommended by the local outdoor growers here. Turns out most of them do something similar. It deters thieves and we dont have to resort to violence ourselves. Were not thugs, and were not trying to be the Marijuana Mafia or some crap, it's how we react to society thinking were defenseless hippies growing fields of pot for the taking. And we grow by volume for a lot of reasons. The main one is a simple agricultural golden rule. Plant more than you expect to harvest because you will lose some, if not many in any unfortunate event. Some people such as cancer patients will go through a pound or more a month. Then because outdoor and greenhouse bud sells for significantly less and is harder to sell, most of the outdoor growers are making concentrates for wholesale and not selling much of it in flower form.
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well if the guy shot the person while being robbed, it sounds like he had security unlike the dispensary. nothing wrong with protecting your property, that is a different issue.
what does that have to do with a grower going after product that his customer (the dispensary) lost?
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niteman
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Yeah I meant no disrespect I think we just sorta got our wires crossed. I agree with you that many people who are getting MMJ do not truly need it (at least in a medical sense) and its not like the pharmaceutical companies are lining up to give away free meds. I also understand why people growing MJ in illegal states would have different ways of handling issues. You cant solve issues legally so you have to take matters into your own hands. I may not know all of the ins and outs of the legal side of the business but I sure know about the shady side. It just dissapoints me that a few bad apples are giving the media and authority figures ammunition for the crackdown guns in MMJ states.
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: niteman]
#18654655 - 08/03/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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niteman said: It just dissapoints me that a few bad apples are giving the media and authority figures ammunition for the crackdown guns in MMJ states.
Amen, you and me both brother.
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: SurReality]
#18656202 - 08/03/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I tell you ....if my son robbed a marijuana dispensary ...I would confiscate his marijuana and make him go to the store and buy me some rolling papers for punishment.
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: Vitalux]
#18656252 - 08/03/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol i don't think 12 year olds are allowed to buy rolling papers
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: SurReality]
#18656486 - 08/03/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd be willing to bet a lot of people around this age rob liquor stores and homes and other businesses and it doesn't make these types of headlines. But, because this involves the evil of marijuana, we have to have a special discussion about it and give prohibtionist politicians and lobbyists for drug testing companies a chance to hawk their wares.
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: dokunai]
#18656833 - 08/04/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol i'm pretty sure if preteens robbed a business for over a thousands dollars worth of merchandise it would make headlines. that takes some skill or a crappy business.
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: SurReality]
#18657596 - 08/04/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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SurReality said: lol i'm pretty sure if preteens robbed a business for over a thousands dollars worth of merchandise it would make headlines. that takes some skill or a crappy business.
the wild part is that we are talking about a plant here and the value that is put on it is kind of dumb.
I can easily go out in my back yard ( which is just a regular back yard in a subdivision) and grow about 20 plants in the summer time and produce probably close to 10 pounds of budd ,and a few pounds of leaf.
Now in my mind, the budd and leaf has about the same value as a tomato plant or any other plant in my garden.
The police will say, he has 10 pounds x $3000/lb = $30 000 worth of pot growing in his yard. But trying to ever get that much money for growing pot is a bit far fetched.
As far as I am concerned if they totally made marijuana legal, the price would plummet to about $160 per pound.
The average ounce of weed would probably be about $10 or less.
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: Vitalux]
#18657607 - 08/04/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree. Its easy to grow weed and done on a legal scale bud wouldn't be worth much more than cilantro
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Re: kids rob dispensary... [Re: Menalaus]
#18657895 - 08/04/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's exactly what they're trying to avoid: Cheap legal drugs.
Obviously mother nature is not acting according to their liking.
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