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MastaBlastar
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: pmc]
#18613144 - 07/26/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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pmc said: I got a question for you brother Frank. Why do you put 4 holes on the bottom of your tubes but only 2 hols on the top? I would think 4 holes to match on top would make more FAE and that's what you want. Then I look at your finished tubs and see you have this down to a science. Could you explain why 2 is better then 4 on the top half of a mono?
Thanks brother
I am not Frank, but from my experiments I have found often times 4top holes leads to drying out of my tubs in my grow environment. It really all depends on the RH of the room your tubs are in I would imagine along with airflow in the room, how tight a seal the lid makes, temps, how much H2) is in your sub and probably a few hundred other things. If I woll add a hole or 2 sometimes if I have a tub that is constantly swampy and I am getting mad fuzzy feet and molding.
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Sparchitect
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Re: Making loose polyfill puffballs for your mono [Re: silos]
#18618091 - 07/27/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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That third picture is like a rainforest of mushrooms! Simply Amazing!
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: MastaBlastar]
#18646926 - 08/01/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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MastaBlastar said:
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pmc said: I got a question for you brother Frank. Why do you put 4 holes on the bottom of your tubes but only 2 hols on the top? I would think 4 holes to match on top would make more FAE and that's what you want. Then I look at your finished tubs and see you have this down to a science. Could you explain why 2 is better then 4 on the top half of a mono?
Thanks brother
I am not Frank, but from my experiments I have found often times 4top holes leads to drying out of my tubs in my grow environment. It really all depends on the RH of the room your tubs are in I would imagine along with airflow in the room, how tight a seal the lid makes, temps, how much H2) is in your sub and probably a few hundred other things. If I woll add a hole or 2 sometimes if I have a tub that is constantly swampy and I am getting mad fuzzy feet and molding.
What does fuzzy feet look like? I think I may have had this problem in the past. I've even had cubes grow upside down. Are people not rocking the perlite style grows anymore?
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: Fesperse]
#18658197 - 08/04/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Frank, sorry to raise this thread its probably been dead for a while. xD but anyways, so you really stuff the bottom holes as tight as possible? and how do you feel about no poly in the top holes? or at least one completely open. Im just cruious because i didnt stuff my bottom holes like super tight and still had fuzzy feet? any advice/suggestions?
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: vaneazy]
#18658263 - 08/04/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is the thread that never dies
The last post was two days ago, but even still feel free to bump any of my writeups or projects with questions, I'm always around.
Fuzzy feet can be genetic, HOWEVER...you can still reduce it with good conditions.
I do stuff the bottom holes as tight as possible. The top holes can be loosely stuffed, one left open, or both left open. You want to run a fan pointed near the tubs but not blowing air directly on them.
When the holes on the bottom are stuffed tight, there is some resistance to air moving in or out of them. Air will move through the top holes primarily and sort of "trickle" out the bottom holes due to the currents created by the fan.
This retains high RH at the surface while providing proper FAE at the same time.
You have to keep in mind that the RH and FAE of a monotub are directly correlated. I find that even in 50-60% ambient RH, I have to mist every so often if I fruit with both top holes open.
If you don't mind misting, do it! it will take a bit of practice for sure.
I don't recommend open top holes to newcomers because performance and upkeep vary greatly based on your room humidity levels. However, I will tell you that all of my tubs get fruited with at least one top hole open at all times.
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18658346 - 08/04/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alright thanks for the quick response! I have 12 jars almost ready to be birthed so i'm gonna put my faith in you and do exactly as you say haha stuff the bottom ones super tight. I usually only do one hole open thouhg when i tried 2 top holes open my tub dried out within 2 days even with misting. One hole open seemed to need 1-2 mistings a day which is totally doable. My grow is in a closet (can fit 4 66qt tubs) so I keep my fan facing the wall away from the tubs, oscillating, so the tubs get like the rebound breeze lol I always thought really tight holes at the bottom would hinder fae for some reason and just make a lot of co2 down there. Also, DEFINITELY didnt know fuzzy feet could be genetic lol thought it was completely environmental
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ [Re: vaneazy]
#18660082 - 08/04/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grain dunk via Frank's tek, 4 days later ready to fruit! Gotta love it. Now that I am trying my fist mono, gotta try Frank's advice on dialing in the tub.
I fruited yesterday morning and I have a small ring around one of my top holes where I have loosely stuffed polly, and only 1 small ring around 1 bottom hole where its stuffed tightly.
I have a fan on low pointed at the wall directly next to the tub.
Shall I take out the polly on either side of the tub to increase FAE or shall I wait a bit?
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mathieu
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: cheesyincident]
#18688306 - 08/10/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the rec frank; easy to employ in monos moving forward
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: mathieu]
#18701203 - 08/13/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not too bad...fruits are small though. Any ideas why besides genetics?
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: cheesyincident]
#18701767 - 08/13/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those just arn't done growing yet. Give it 2-3 days. You look to have some nice ones coming.
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: cheesyincident]
#18701818 - 08/13/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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will this work better with PF jars? im about to start a grow. this looks like it keep humidity better then the SG tek im talking about putting cotton in the holes vs a bunch of holes around the whole tote ..
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Megatrondon]
#18701867 - 08/13/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Megatrondon said: this looks like it keep humidity better then the SG tek
If you are talking about the shotgun fruiting chamber, then they are both good at keeping in huimidity.
If you plan on doing cakes, then go with the SGFC.
If you want to go bulk, monotub takes the cake.
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Megatrondon said: im talking about putting cotton in the holes vs a bunch of holes around the whole tote ..
No one uses cotton, we use synthetic polyester pillow stuffing, or polyfill.
They are 2 different styles of fruiting chambers that both keep high humidity very well, and they both work completely differently.
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: PussyFart]
#18702020 - 08/13/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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gotcha
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Megatrondon]
#18763527 - 08/27/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey frank, why do you say not to mist the substrate? when i mist, i generally mist the substrate most then just enough sprays to get the walls/lid wet xD
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: vaneazy]
#18763546 - 08/27/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because IMO a properly dialed-in monotub will perform better with no misting at all on the first flush.
It's very easy to go overboard, especially for first-timers, and then all their fruits mature very small.
All the flushes you've seen on my threads, they all had no misting or fanning on the first flush.
I keep conditions and evaporation consistent throughout the first flush and the harvests speak for themselves I'd say.
For the second flush, I do not dunk, but I do mist heavily once a day, in the morning. I also increase my FAE.
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18763565 - 08/27/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are those isolates in the OP? The canopy looks so even.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18763588 - 08/27/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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They are clones, not true isolates.
Those are older pictures, I now have a small library of about 40 different good-fruiting isolates on slants.
Here are some of my more recent MS grows, these are PE in a monotub with a casing layer applied:
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Bonus second flush pictures
Tubs were not dunked or soaked. Top holes were left open and substrates were misted heavily twice a day.
Here's another:
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18763601 - 08/27/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice dicks .
I've never succeeded with agar after many, many attempts so I love seeing huge MS flushes.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18763613 - 08/27/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh, I always use agar, even for MS.
Well it is technically MS but there was one transfer taken from the original plate for each culture.
This is to ensure a clean culture, I don't like to inoculate the same wedge I put a drop of spore solution to.
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Re: How to dial in your monotubs like a champ *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18763670 - 08/27/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just go with GLC. Put the tiniest drop of solution in half-full half pint, if that grows out clean then I load it up with sterile water and use that. Seems to have worked pretty well for me when needed.
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