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 carbonhoots
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 Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance 
#1861325 - 08/29/03 12:05 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Compare how much YOU pay next to one of the most advanced public system in North America.
SASKATCHEWAN GOVERNMENT INSURANCE
BC and Manitoba both have public systems as well. They are cheaper than the private Alberta or Ontario plans as well...
Free trade outlaws the establishment of any public system where a private one is already operating, hence, the NDP in Ontario were unable to set one public auto insurance in the early 90's.
And...oh yeah...if any government ever privatizes medicare in Canada, there will be no possibility of getting it back, because of free trade. How incidious. How ridiculous. How undemocratic.
Why aren't there many more socialist success stories? Because there isn't much more socialism. It's been outlawed.
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Edited by carbonhoots (08/29/03 12:19 AM)
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luvdemshrooms
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 Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: carbonhoots]
#1861767 - 08/29/03 03:53 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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In the state I live in, I pay $750.00 for a brand new Ford F-150 Super Crew.
Full everything.
Your friend Ryan in the Ad is getting fucked.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1862373 - 08/29/03 10:26 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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you're a bit older and probably have a cleaner driving record.
i get raped every month paying auto insurance. it sucks.
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 Malachi
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1862896 - 08/29/03 01:44 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
luvdemshrooms said:
In the state I live in, I pay $750.00 for a brand new Ford F-150 Super Crew.
Full everything.
Your friend Ryan in the Ad is getting fucked.
 that figures. what a chode ^^^.
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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
- Paul Tillich
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shakta
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: Malachi]
#1862900 - 08/29/03 01:45 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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That doesn't make any sense? Why is he a chode?
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: shakta]
#1862913 - 08/29/03 01:48 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
shakta said:
That doesn't make any sense? Why is he a chode?
Don't mind him. He'll never amount to much so he's angry at the world.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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DoctorJ
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1862965 - 08/29/03 02:06 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Why aren't there many more socialist success stories?"
because capitalism can't keep its hands to itself.
countries try to go socialist all the time. The US or some other capitalist superpower will intervene militarily (eg- Guatemala, 1953). If that doesnt work, they will impose embargos and pressure allies to do the same.
When socialist governments collapse due to capitalist interference, capitalists point to the ruins and say: "See. Socialism doesnt work."
which is a lot like beating the crap out of your chrysler's engine block with a sledgehammer and then complaining that "Chrysler is obviously an inferioir machine" when it doesn't start.
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: DoctorJ]
#1863364 - 08/29/03 04:41 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
DoctorJ said:
"Why aren't there many more socialist success stories?"
because capitalism can't keep its hands to itself.
countries try to go socialist all the time. The US or some other capitalist superpower will intervene militarily (eg- Guatemala, 1953). If that doesnt work, they will impose embargos and pressure allies to do the same.
When socialist governments collapse due to capitalist interference, capitalists point to the ruins and say: "See. Socialism doesnt work."
It is incorrect to refer to the meddling and aggressive international actions of governments as 'capitalism,' they are not the same thing. Call it imperialism, call it empire, call it fascism or something else more accurate. Governments do not gain their power by selling products or services to willing buyers in a free market, but by the exercise of a legal monopoly on the initiation of force within their borders and by plunder within and outside of their borders. To blame the failings and sins of governments on capitalism is like blaming the death of a patient at the hands of a drunken surgeon on medicine.
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: DoctorJ]
#1863432 - 08/29/03 05:11 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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only guatemala as a citation?
much of central and south america
are pertinent examples of the
tactics you mentioned.
chile, guatemala, argentina, nicuragua...
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pattern
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: carbonhoots]
#1863747 - 08/29/03 07:36 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ahh I miss the days when I had affordable auto insurance in Saskatchewan. 
The problem isn't capitalism.
The problem is when you take a system that everyone has to use, and give control of the pricing to the free market. If people have to buy it, by force of law, then the market can charge whatever high prices it wants. In my mind the auto insurance in Alberta is really a mix of socialism and capitalism, in all the wrong places. You can't call it a free market if people are being forced to buy.
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shakta
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: pattern]
#1863829 - 08/29/03 08:14 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Insurance rates are regulated somewhat here.
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DoctorJ
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Re: Socialist auto insurance vs. capitalist auto insurance [Re: shakta]
#1864221 - 08/29/03 10:33 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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"It is incorrect to refer to the meddling and aggressive international actions of governments as 'capitalism'"
you're right. I should have said 'capitalist empires'
My point is that I have never heard of a socialist state that existed without interference from capitalist empires. I think it would be an interesting thing to see, but the fact that so many capitalist nations refuse to let it happen makes me doubt their credibility.
I dont really have a problem with capitalism in its true form, per se, but I do enjoy watching experiments and I understand that for experiments to work the environmental conditions must be right. Capitalist empires are refusing to let us to run the socalist experiment just like they are refusing to let us experiment with psychedelic drugs. Its not exactly logical invalidation of their principles, but it does make me highly suspicious of their motivation.
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